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Was going to mount the oil lamps I bought and realized my cowl lamp brackets apparently are not right for a 1922 Touring. If I used them the side lights would not point straight forward - they would shine off to the sides of the car. Looking at Lang's I see what looks like the same brackets I have, but they indicate the bracket is for 1923 and up. Any idea what type of bracket I would need for a '22? I did receive the following from the person I bought my lights from:

This is a surprise to me. I am not aware of two different brackets. I looked in the McCalley book entitled "Model T Ford, the Car that Changed the World" for a clue on whats going on here. It says that starting in 1920 that lamps now had a separate forged mounting bracket held by the same bolts that secured the windshield frame to the body. It goes on to explain that the windshield changed in 1923 but no mention of the brackets changing. There was a totally different side lamp bracket used on the first 1926 cars that clamped onto the windshield. Wish I could help more. Good luck with your mystery.

I'm quite sure that the cowl lamp mounts for a '22 Touring were integral with the w.s. mounts - does your w.s. stand straight up or tipped back a bit ?

Steve is right .....mostly. From ‘19-‘22 There were actually 2 different lower windshield brackets. When a starter and generator were included on a T there was no cowl lamp brackets. When no ‘electrics’ were on the Ford engine these years cowl Lamps were added and their mounting brackets were cast integrally with the lower windshield brackets

Bill, if you need a pair of ‘17-‘22 Model Year windshield brackets that also mount cowl lamps; I have some. Don’t know how to find PMs so email me and I’ll send pics...george
gwhouse731@gmail.com

I am really curious what brackets he has? If his sidelamps are aiming out to the side? Either the brackets are completely wrong, like flat firewall brackets? Or the lamps have the side-bolts which were mostly aftermarket for commercial use. I have seen a fair number of those lamps over the years. They are similar to a Ford "O" tail-lamp, but with a clear large lens, and no small lens or mounting for one. The mounting bolt comes off the side of the lamp, and they do have a right and a left.
I have a pair of similar after-market commercial lamps (not complete, but the important pieces are there). Mine have the mounting bolt on the back of the body like the Ford side-lamps do. However, the large lenses are smooth clear, and they have small side lenses. One on the right, the other one is on the left. Such lamps were available in a variety of styles, and used for many purposes.

I "borrowed" this photo off Ebay to show what the correct bracket for a '22 "non-starter" (how's that George ?) car would sport.

RajoRacer wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:37 pm

I'm quite sure that the cowl lamp mounts for a '22 Touring were integral with the w.s. mounts - does your w.s. stand straight up or tipped back a bit ?

Hello - the windshield stands straight up and down.

George House wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:40 pm

Steve is right .....mostly. From ‘19-‘22 There were actually 2 different lower windshield brackets. When a starter and generator were included on a T there was no cowl lamp brackets. When no ‘electrics’ were on the Ford engine these years cowl Lamps were added and their mounting brackets were cast integrally with the lower windshield brackets

Thank you sir!

RajoRacer wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:48 pm

I "borrowed" this photo off Ebay to show what the correct bracket for a '22 "non-starter" (how's that George ?) car would sport.

Darn. Mine has a starter so I suppose it would not be "correct" to mount a pair of oil lamps on it. I just love the look of them though

Both mine have them, the 21 and the 25 (both are starter cars). I like them right or wrong, I do not care one little bit, nor should you.

Hey Bill... I had a ‘23 touring with starter and KEROSENE COWL LAMPS only because I thought they made the car look cute.. Same with the ‘26 TT C Cab. It had a starter too. Cowl lamps made it look cute too...Heck, a ‘22 looks just like an ‘18 non starter. Mount them cowl lamps !! Just can’t take it to Pebble Beach or go for a Stynoski

I agree - it's your T so get the correct brackets to mount them. I have a 1919 starter model Centerdoor - it has side lamps !

If you don't want to change the windshield support brackets you will need something like this;
https://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_mode ... -only.html
But I too am wondering if you have the newer tail light with the mounting bolts on the sides?
Post a photo of the lights you have.

Mark; in a previous post in this thread the OP said “the windshield stands straight up and down”. Doesn’t that lead you to believe it’s an early to ‘22 Windshield? Granted, we need pictures of it at this time but your catalog picture would be leading him astray. That bracket is for s ‘23-‘25 T. I feel what he has is like the pic I’ve invluded of a non pair:

The holes are the same 1915-1925 that the brackets would bolt to. Both the straight and slant windshield, the lower mounting holes are about 2" center to center. Using those brackets would put the lights lower then the ones with the cast in brackets. Except for the thickness of material both the 1915-22 and 23-25 mount the same. I wonder how may open cars out there have the wrong windshield on them?

RE; I wonder how may open cars out there have the wrong windshield on them?
I am not speaking of this case, but a general statement. Sounds like his is the correct one for year.

I have a mostly original 1922 touring with starter and therefore it does not have oil cowl lamps.
However for safety reasons, I wish to install oil lamps (which I got from Mark Osterman) and electrify them for turn signals.
I am looking for the cowl light brackets for side cowl lamps.
My windshield is straight up and down, and is now safety glass.
Anyone have some for sale at a reasonable price?
Regards,

Steve Boothroyd
Sidney, B.C. Canada