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I purchased a number of items including the stack of split rims: Here is a rim with with two detachable rings: This wheel has a hub larger than the Ford TT cap. I am not sure if the hub Or woodwork goes with this rim. Any help identifying these would be appreciated. They won’t do any good otherwise

At the very least I would like to know what to look for to find Ford split rims.

Thanks,
Matt

Matt, I would need more detail to identify the rims and rings. On the rims can you post the diameter on the side with the groove and a picture of the cross section? The rings appear to be some bead rings, some wedge rings for demountable wheels and some are lock rings. Again if you can give diameters and close up photos would help. I would particularly like to know the inside diameter of the two rings that appear to be blue and also a pic showing the opposite side. Incidently the rims are what was called quick detachable. There were several brands but we need more detailed pics to determine brands

Dale, Thanks for your response! I’m starting from knowing zero about these. I will post the most complete set first. For the type I have three rims five rings and one split rim. So this means I have only one complete. (What I’m realizing is what I have is literally a mix match of lots of parts. But trying to figure out what goes with what.)

This one the actual diameter is 25”. And it’s stamped to fit the 32 x 3 1/2” tire. This shows all four pieces (the rim, two rings, one spit ring).

Exhibit B
This one I have the wood in the hub inside. I don’t know if the wood or hub is original to the rim. (I actually have two of the rims.)
The sizes the same 25 inch diameter that takes a 32 x 3 1/2” tire. This is very similar to the above, but the grove is rounded on the bottom as opposed to triangle shape.

I may be wrong but I don’t think anything pictured are Ford. Whatever they are certainly not as common as Ford products. Valuable to the right person.

One of many "common" styles used by many automobiles in the horseless carriage era. I can't name any specific that would have used that specific size or manufacturer. I know Baker was one of the manufacturers that people often want to buy. There were several others. Many automobiles between 1905 to about 1913 used such complicated multi-part wheels. A for-sale ad on the HCCA website along with specific measurements may be the best way to find a new home for them. The toughest part of these type wheels is collecting a matching set. Many horseless carriages have incorrect wheels on them, and current owners are trying to put together correct sets.
A significant problem with these wheels, is that tires are not readily available for some sizes. Hence so many cars having wrong wheels on them. I know a few people that use 25" rim size tires on horseless carriages, so I suspect tires may not be a problem for these, provided these wheels are 25" rim. If your '25" includes the ring's outer measurement, the rim size could be 24". I don't know (don't have a catalog handy), but 24" could be a problem.

Matt, the first one is standard universal earliest style with the back side rolled for clincher tire about 1909'1910 later S U rims used 2 bead rings. You can tell these lock ring by the triangular groove and the tangthat fits in the hole in the groove. EMF used this rim 1n 1909 and maybe 1910. Buick might have used this rim also on 1909 two cylinder cars. The second one you show is Goodyear brand as you can see stamped on the rim. I don't recognise the hub but Buick used this rim on 09 and 10 2 cylinder cars as well as the SU rim. Reo used this rim on 08, 09 and 10 two cylinder cars. It was used on other makes as well. They came with straight Side rings as well as clincher rings the lock ring was flat with round edges to fit the grove in the rim and has a tang to fit the hole in the grove. Are there any 25 inch bead rings, perhaps the two that look blue Gray in the picture

Note that the 25" rims fit both 32x3-1/2 and 33x4 tires. The 33x4 size is what is available today. Some of these wheels have reversible rings that allow mounting both clincher and straight-sided tires. We have been looking for this size wheels for our 1909 Cartercar project.

Thanks for all the input on these split ring rims! I understand: No Ford parts here. Yet! I am still going through the stack. It looks like I will get an education!

As Wayne mentioned I don't have a set. The first style I have three rims, five rings, one split rim. The second style I have two rims one with a hub and spokes and perhaps the rings (not split) could be put on these. Steve, did I get my terminology strait?

So these seem to be in the 1908 to pre teen era.

John, lets keep in touch.

Matt

Steve, just to throw a Monkey Wrench into the whole split rim, split ring thing, I have seen many flat base rims, which is another name for split ring rims, for 10.00x20 truck tires(maybe some other sizes too) that the rims are indeed split, right at the valve stem hole. For 40+years, I have never been able to find out why they were made that way. I have been told that they had split that way from use, but I don't buy that. They were all split in the same way. Anyone have an answer for that? Dave

Matt, I’ve got the same Goodyear rims on my 1912 Regal Underslung.

I would be interested in those if they are for sale and JMC doesn’t want them.