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26-27 Roadster wood

Post by fordt » Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:54 am

Anyone have a set of Leon Parker’s wood plan sets lying around? There is NO old wood in my current project, I know the body mounting wood is available, but I also know there’s wood in and around the door frames, seats and so on...I’m bookmarking every forum post I can find with at least a picture or so..


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Re: 26-27 Roadster wood

Post by John kuehn » Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:19 pm

You may already know but Fordwood has a picture of the wood for 26-27 Roadsters on their website. Not a lot to go on but it gives you an idea.
Maybe one day copies of Leon Parker’s T plans will be made available to buy. That will up to his family of course.


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Re: 26-27 Roadster wood

Post by Scott_Conger » Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:32 pm

Most if not all of Leon's plans were actually Mel Miller plans and were copyrighted. To this, you might wish to see Russ Furstnow's reply on this thread (last reply prior to closure of the thread): http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/50 ... 1207884220
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Re: 26-27 Roadster wood

Post by fordt » Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:05 pm

I agree completely with Russ, I also believe that most enthusiast forums are made up mostly of folks who share things without remuneration.


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Re: 26-27 Roadster wood

Post by John kuehn » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:50 pm

I bought a set of 1919 Roadster plans from Mel Miller many years ago when he was selling them. I later sold them to a guy in Canada years later who had advertised he needed a set. I sold them to him for an agreed upon price. I believe Fordwood and the wood products company in North Carolina must use plans to make the wood kits they sell. I guess they use plans they drew up themselves or they bought from somewhere.
For a while Millers family were selling his plans after he died so the story goes. But that’s another story.


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Re: 26-27 Roadster wood

Post by Thomas-Jull » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:16 am

I am an architect and have been contemplating drawing plans for rewooding our cars. I would not be copying Mel’s plans but would be compiling information from forum members as necessary. I have rewooded a 24 Touring but no other cars. I also own a 25 Roadster that has no upholstery in place but it’s not original wood. I would do it for the challenge and the love of the hobby so they would be free to all those that need them and would be in pdf so no shipping cost. However, I in no way wish to undermine Mel’s estate. Can anyone confirm for 100% certainty that his plans are no longer available? I would also like to hear from others about their concerns about me doing this.

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Re: 26-27 Roadster wood

Post by DanTreace » Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:48 am

Thomas

Yours would be ambitious project, as so many bodies for the T, concentrating on the common open and closed cars would take quite a while. Doing this for free is nice, but costs will be involved in developing all the pieces, marked in dimensions, and accompanied with notes for construction details.

Mel and Leon developed stylized drawings, which when produced are protected under copyright laws by the holder. Most times, copyrights are better protected by registration and paying future fees to maintain. One would guess copyright passed with the holder, unless registered and in another's name. I recall years ago, Mel's drawings were sold by his daughter, but don't think they are still available. Lots of costs to duplicate and actually low demand to keep a full inventory of full-sized costly prints. Don't believe Leon's have been available, but could be wrong.

However, the T wood plans are just that, an individuals work. Having both Mel and Leon prints, have found Leon's to provide better descriptions and are more useful.


Leon:
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Mel:
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So, doing your own work would not impinge on former drawings, as these plans are stylized renderings, using patterns or info by the artist.

Since you are thinking of offering on-line for free would give you freedom from any future plans of Mel's or Leon's original works being marketed by their respective family members. These works would be different.

Many may pay for printed large scale plans rather than email sketch in small format, so you would not IMO be undermining earlier works.

Ford rendering of wood in touring car:
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Re: 26-27 Roadster wood

Post by Humblej » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:12 am

Rob, there is not much to the wood in the improved roadster, and none of it is visable after upholstered, so plans or patterns may not be all that necessary. Seat back and tack strips, no structural frame like the earlier T's.
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Re: 26-27 Roadster wood

Post by fordt » Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:34 pm

Isn’t there a small piece in the door hinge pillar as well? What does this piece do?,a stiffener?, a trim attachment piece?

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Re: 26-27 Roadster wood

Post by DanTreace » Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:21 pm

Yes. That strip of shaped wood is placed inside edge of hinge pillar, its there for tacking the cardboard kick panel vertical surface.
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Note the tacks holding the worn cardboard, they are put in that wood piece.

The rest of the wood is fairly easy for the 26-27, like this one:
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