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Hi......any suggestions?....my rear end car accident has wrecked my neck.....i need electric start now......any links?

The short answer is that the flywheel would need to have a ring gear on it and the transmission cover (hogshead) would need to be changed.

Who makes the best starter and ring gear?

The starter and ring gear from a later model T is what is most often used. Starting in 1919 Ford put these units on the cars as an option. There were many more cars produced after the starter became available than before so they are not hard to find. The main effort in putting one on a 1914 car would be changing the flywheel as the engine would have to be removed from the car. That is unless a later flywheel had been already installed in the '14 at some time.

Short answer is simple to say, long answer is engine out, fly wheel change, magneto re-set up but usually a full rebuild, then the transmission needs rebuilding while you are inside, then lets look inside the engine as well. 5+? thousand dollars later in parts, you have a electric starting T

As Rich said,
you will need a starter, a flywheel with ring gear, a hoge head and don't forget an other magneto coil ring if the original coil ring is still on the car.

Good luck
Andre
Belgium

GARY! When did this happen? Sounds like it was pretty bad, or at least bad enough.
If your '14 has the original (or proper replacement) '14 engine, my feeling is that you should keep the correct motor in the car. Minimal is replace flywheel, hogshead, add starter, battery, and necessary wiring. Much of that can be hidden well enough, use either a T type starter switch/button, or a modern type solenoid (easy to hide!). Replacing the motor with a generator block IS NOT necessary. A common battery charger regularly used can maintain the battery, and the average model T can run all day (often two days) on a full charge battery. Many speedsters have run the entire Endurance Run including using a starter without a generator, and you know what that is like! It is also possible to make a simple charger to run off the Ford magneto if your '14 T has one.
Such an "upgrade" once done, can be easily undone if so desired. And keeping the correct engine keeps the car HCCA acceptable, and helps with value if or when you need to sell it.
Take good care of you my friend!

Just an added complication. Can the 14 magneto coil plate be notched to allow the fitting of the starter/bendix assembly or must it be replaced with a later coil plate?

Allan from down under.

Unless your really attached to this 14 T, maybe purchase an already converted T. Sell it to someone still wanting an original non starter.
Maybe less expensive...
Just a thought, your T, anything goes.
Brian.

Another thought. You could find a good running starter engine to replace your existing engine and keep the original engine in its unconverted state to sell to the next owner, hopefully far in the future.
Ralph

RalphS in NE Oregon wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:34 am

Another thought. You could find a good running starter engine to replace your existing engine and keep the original engine in its unconverted state to sell to the next owner, hopefully far in the future.
Ralph

That's the ticket!

I agree. When I was "shopping" for a T only two-three years ago it seemed the majority of pre-starter cars had been "upgraded". It was difficult to find brass cars for sale that hadn't been considerably modified with "improvements".

I have a 1917 Touring that I've had a starter installed on. The car sat for many years and had no maintenance history so I wanted to go thru it anyway. With brian_d's help we pulled the engine and took it to a fellow who is set up to overhaul Model T's. In addition to updating and overhauling the engine and transmission, we installed a later model hogshead, rebuilt coil ring, and built the magneto up on a newer-type flywheel with a starter ring gear.

I did not install a generator choosing to go with a "total-loss" system. An "intelligent" plug-in charger in your garage will keep the battery up and you can get a lot of starts between charges. I have a similar setup on my 73 year old non-electrical airplane and it has worked great. There is also the option of going with a Fun Projects Hot Shot Charger, a simple device that uses current from your magneto to help keep the battery up. The latter might be useful if you plan a number of days on tour and have nowhere to plug in your car at night.

It cost me a few bucks but I now know the condition of my engine - what parts and seals are installed and I have a starter. The uninitiated wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the car now and before. As others have pointed out, you have options. You have to decide your priorities and go on from there.

One thing that has not been covered, if you want to keep the lettered pedals, the brake and reverse are the same but the low/clutch pedal is different for starter cars down in the area where the bendix cover is. You would have to use a weld on lettered pedal head that the dealers sell or weld on a used head.

I would personally mothball and remove the engine and replace with a later starter version. They are common enough. If the firewall is original, I'd also pull that, to save it. New firewalls are not that expensive and it would be a shame to hack up an original to fit a starter hog's head.

I say this from the perspective of a caretaker of my automobiles. If God willing, I live long enough to be too infirm to hand crank, I will be taking my own advice.

I'm in Bob's camp on this discussion - I also own a '14 Touring that I converted (and hid most of the components) for an elderly customer many years ago due to his inability to hand crank any longer and after his passing, we were offered the T. Other than one hole drilled into the front seat panel, no harm, no foul !

An Optima 6volt battery, lying on its side, is the easiest to hide and most accessible way to go. Just be sure to use the correct weight cables.
Allan from down under.

How about finding and installing a period-correct aftermarket starter? You know, to be that guy.

Those aftermarket starting units are few & far between. I had another customer/friend with a '09 that couldn't hand crank any longer and I searched for an "era" type starter for several years - notta !!! I relayed to him that if he insisted, I could install a later starter type engine so the original engine could be stored away but after explain several items that would need to be done like notching the bottom of the firewall and a few misc. drilled holes, he opted against the conversion which I'm sure the current owner appreciated !