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Re: Getting Rattles Back On The Road

Post by Mopar_man » Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:44 pm

That's one good thing. I've had to rebuild most everything else. The spokes were all done and looked great!
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These look a lot better than the white walls.
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Safety tip. When using tire irons make sure your head is out of the way if they slip.

At least it hit me in the head where it didn't do to much damage. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Mopar_man » Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:39 pm

Now rattles is starting to look like a Model T with the correct tires.
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When i put them on I noticed a gap where the lugs are. This gap was there before and you can see that the rim is up against the wheel all the way.
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This is how I used the rim spreader to put the tire on. If you don't use it correctly you can damage you rims. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKfaDDEkrx4

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Re: Getting Rattles Back On The Road

Post by CudaMan » Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:55 pm

That gap is normal, do not overtighten the lug nut to try and close that gap! :)
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Post by Mopar_man » Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:33 pm

I think I'm ok. I used a short ratchet so i couldn't put too much pressure on them.

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Post by Duey_C » Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:15 am

Oww!
Nice looking spokes!
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Post by Mopar_man » Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:26 pm

Back at it today. First I got the spare tire carrier mounted. I had to clean up the threads and then mount the Y. All I need to do now is walk by it and him my knee. I know that's going to happen soon. :lol:
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Post by Mopar_man » Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:32 pm

Then I started to work on the rear seat wood. The first thing to do was to drill out the bottom wood.
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I was able to use the metal part where it attached as a guide because it was out of the car. I supposed to me riveted in but someone took it out. I bolted it in. You won't see the bolts once the seat is in.
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This next part I'm still playing with. Not sure if the vertical wood is supposed to go behind the bottom wood or in front of it. With it behind the bottom wood there is a gap.
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Post by Mopar_man » Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:03 pm

I decided to put the vertical wood on the outside of the bottom wood. First I built it on the workbench.
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Then I bolted it in the back.
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With the springs in.
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Post by Scott_Conger » Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:29 pm

With the lower crossmember behind the vertical slats, whatcha gonna fasten the bottom of your backrest's upholstery to?
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Post by Mopar_man » Wed Nov 16, 2022 11:01 pm

I'm thinking that I can staple the fabric to the wood crossmembers as well as the lower wood. If I put the crossmembers behind the wood it leaves a gap between the wood and metal. You can see it in some of my previous pictures. The other issue is by making a gap the rear seat cushion spring is very tight. The other issue is that when I got the wood from Ford Wood they said that the middle cross member "wood" is not in the official Ford plans but it is in the picture on their web page. They offered to send me a piece of wood but I just got some from Lowe's. Seems like it would help support the back.


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Post by Scott_Conger » Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:45 am

well, yes you can, but the resultant job is going to be lumpy and unsightly along the lower portion. It may even put stress risers in the fabric which may possibly be visible when done. When the wood is placed (correctly) in front of the vertical slats, the material pulls straight and even down when tacked in place and when the bottom cushion is installed, everything presses back into place nice and even.

You really should do yourself a favor and perform a little more forum study of some original 26-27 seats and you will confirm this.

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Post by Mopar_man » Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:53 am

Scott,
I looked and found them done several ways. Some were even lap jointed in (I think that's best but it's too late for me to tell Henry LOL). So If I change it up and put the slats behind is it ok for there to be a gap between the bottom wood and the metal it's bolted to? I agree with your point and wan t to get a smooth edge for the fabric. Take a look at my post on Nov 15th. I had it your way and you can see the gap. Do you think that would be ok?

Another question I had, and I've seen it several ways is the angle of the top part of the vertical slats (where they will attack to the curved tack strip) The way I have it now the angle is toward the back of the car.


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Post by Scott_Conger » Thu Nov 17, 2022 10:12 am

First, I have zero experience with interiors on your year car. So I am not speaking from experience...only as a caution to be certain that you will be happy with the outcome. That said, I do have experience with interiors on a FEW cars and I've rewooded my own runabout. In each instance, the wood slat was on the front.

Now, here is what I suggest you do: first, inspect your rear, bottom steel rail. I am going to bet that there are screw holes in the bent "up" lip at the rear of the metal. If so, I would suspect that the vertical pieces go BEHIND that steel lip, and a stove bolt goes through the lower horizontal wood, sandwiches the steel lip, and captures the vertical wood all in one fell-swoop.

In any event, please pause, and solicit some advice from guys who have been-there-done-that. Perhaps on a different thread so that you get good exposure to your question

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Post by Mopar_man » Thu Nov 17, 2022 10:40 am

Wow Scott, I think you are a genius!!! I never thought of putting the wood on the other side of the metal. Even if there are no holes there that seems like a better way to go. Then I have no gap and I have a smooth piece of wood to staple to. Ford would have loved this a good idea at no extra cost. :lol:


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Post by Scott_Conger » Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:14 am

Well, investigate thoroughly.

When you're done mocking things up, you might wish to hang the rear springs, lay a heavy blanket over everything and have a feel for the verticality of the backrest and if you're happy with the ergonomics.

Plus, see how the bottom springs nest with the top springs and ensure that things will all go where they belong when padding and covering are installed
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Post by Mopar_man » Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:11 pm

I'll do that. Thanks for the input!!

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Post by perry kete » Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:49 pm

Don't worry, If you screw it up your daughter will fix it! :D
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Post by Mark Nunn » Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:24 pm

This is from Fordwood.com. It clearly shows board orientation.
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Post by Mopar_man » Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:41 pm

Mark,
I've looked at this many times. You are correct the vertical wood goes behind the lower cross piece. If I do that then there is a gap between the wood and metal. I think putting the vertical pieces behind the metal (like Scott said) would work and give me a smooth surface to staple to.

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Post by Mopar_man » Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:12 pm

Well I tried it with Scott's idea. I must say i like it. It worked well. The vertical wood is now behind the bottom piece so as to give it a nice smooth surface to attach the upholstery.
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I made a video of what I did and how I decided to go with the rear wood.

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Post by Scott_Conger » Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:50 pm

Call me crazy but I'd think the 3 vertical slats are upside down. If they were inverted, the longer gentler slope cut on them would align the angle better and the middle slat simply cannot go in back and bang into the body seams...it needs to be cut shorter on both ends and fit between the body seams.
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Post by CudaMan » Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:09 pm

IMO they aren't upside down, but they are flipped front to back. The taper should face towards the rear to sit on the wood that goes on top of the rear metal panel (part 651 on the fordwood drawing). An easy fix. :)
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Post by Scott_Conger » Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:12 pm

I agree with Mark, too, regarding the sloping cuts in the wood...I think they are facing the wrong way, too.
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Post by CudaMan » Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:16 pm

I'm on my tablet now, but tomorrow when I'm back on my PC I'll post some pictures of the wood on the 1925 touring body that I have in my basement, it looks very similar to what I see on your 1926 body.
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Post by Mopar_man » Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:16 pm

Thanks guys. Mark looking forward to the pictures. Sorry I'm such a block head trying to figure this out.

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Post by CudaMan » Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:07 am

Here is a link to the pictures, I posted them in a different thread (by mistake?).

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Post by Mopar_man » Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:12 pm

Thanks Mark!!

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Post by Mopar_man » Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:25 pm

Today I got Rattles out for a little drive. I had a gas leak that I fixed. So I wanted to take it to and see how I did.
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My wife took some video of the car.
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Another look.
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I even sat on the seat springs for the first time. Still lots of things to work out. I found that the floor board were slipping down and blocking my pedals. It was also running a bit rough but then again I haven't started it in a long time.

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Post by CudaMan » Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:37 pm

Looking good! :)
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Post by Mopar_man » Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:28 pm

I'm now melting the plastic wood for the tack rails on the rear seat. I read that it's best to make the joint off to one side so when the top goes on the joint is not in the middle. Seemed to work just fine with a heat gun and some clamps.
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I'v also seen a lot of posts with the bolts holding it down going in from the side. I'm going to put them in from the top. Most seem to go this way originally. that way I won't hit screw heads when I staple the upholstery and top.


I just noticed this on the spindle. Looks like someone tried to add a grease cup.
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Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:09 pm

" that way I won't hit screw heads when I staple the upholstery and top.
Please consider using tacks and not staples. As you install the upholstery and the top, you'll want to make several adjustments to get the material to lay just right, with no wrinkles or buckling. Using tacks, you can pound them 1/2 way in, then easily pull them out if you need to re-stretch the material or adjust it in any way. Once everything looks nice and smooth you can drive the tacks down. If you use staples, you'll have a terrible time removing them if any changes are needed. If you think you won't need to make these little changes, then you've never installed a top ;)


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Re: Getting Rattles Back On The Road

Post by speedytinc » Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:26 pm

You are doing an improved T?
Isnt that the earlier incorrect spindle??
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Post by Mopar_man » Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:04 pm

Jerry Good idea with the tacks.

John,
Could be it was what was on the car. When I redo the from end I'll make it right. I already have a redone front Axel for it.


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Post by Scott_Conger » Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:20 pm

perhaps it's my imagination, but it sure looks like the axle is indeed offset from the center, but perhaps upside down. The distance from the axle to one end appears long on one end and shorter on the other end as is correct for Improved Fords...but simply inverted causing a "raise" rather than a "drop".

Note for clarification: when I say "axle", above, I am referring to the portion of the spindle which receives the bearings. I am not speaking of that big long thing that some call an axel... ;)

In any event, if true, it's a good catch, John.
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Post by CudaMan » Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:14 pm

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Post by Mopar_man » Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:44 pm

Scott, I went out and looked the axel is in the middle. I think they are pre 26. The one on the driver's side also has that custom hole :lol: :lol:

Mark, Thanks for the link. Good info there.


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Post by Scott_Conger » Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:59 pm

so the list gets longer... ;)
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Post by Mopar_man » Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:58 pm

Scott_Conger wrote:
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so the list gets longer... ;)

It will never end :lol: :lol:

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Re: Getting Rattles Back On The Road

Post by Mopar_man » Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:32 pm

John Scott Look what came in the mail!!! Some NOS 26/7 spindles!!
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Now I can make it right!

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Post by Mopar_man » Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:45 pm

I was also able to glue these triangular wood blocks in. As one of the forum members said for what they do. (hold up some fabric) they should work.
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Post by Mopar_man » Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:57 pm

Well Look what came in the mail today. Christmas came a little early. It looks great!!! Another nice job by Classtique!! Time to learn another trade.
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Post by CudaMan » Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:40 am

Excellent! Start with the seat bottom cushion, it's the easiest. It helps to compress the spring pack on top of the cushion material using a flat table, a board, and a couple lengths of all-thread. Here is the setup I used on my 1912 Flanders.

When you feel ready to tackle the seat back, attach it at first with push pins so that you can reposition the material if needed before you tack it in for good. Take your time!

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Post by Mopar_man » Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:50 pm

Thank goodness for this forum. I was reading about spring shackles not being properly tightened so I decided to check mine. Both spring perches had no cotter key in them. Everything else looked good and had a key until I looked at the motor mount nuts behind the license plate. I neglected to tighten them from before and did not put cotter keys in. Now I'm looking at every nut to make sure that they all have keys. I thought I had done this before. No matter what always check twice!!!
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Post by Mopar_man » Thu Dec 22, 2022 9:45 pm

Tonight I found a small gas leak coming from the bottom of the Sediment bowl. I tried tightening it with a wrench but it seems to still weep. It's such a small amount that I couldn't even smell it or see any gas on the floor. Just a little on the hood shelf after sitting for 2 weeks. I'm going to try to tighten it some more. Yes it has the correct gasket.


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Post by speedytinc » Fri Dec 23, 2022 8:22 am

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Thu Dec 22, 2022 9:45 pm
Tonight I found a small gas leak coming from the bottom of the Sediment bowl. I tried tightening it with a wrench but it seems to still weep. It's such a small amount that I couldn't even smell it or see any gas on the floor. Just a little on the hood shelf after sitting for 2 weeks. I'm going to try to tighten it some more. Yes it has the correct gasket.
The sediment bowl "Gasket" under the outlet filling should be lead. I find they rarely leak there with a lead seal. Check the valve for weeps.

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Post by Mopar_man » Fri Dec 23, 2022 2:05 pm

Yup it's lead. Came with the kit I got. I'm going to try tightening it a bit more.

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Post by Mopar_man » Tue Dec 27, 2022 7:41 pm

I've ordered A new sediment bowl and a 2nd lead gasket kit. Found out that the lead gasket was distorted when I tightened it and it leaked more. I also found that the valve was leaking as well. If you have followed this thread you can see that I did take it apart and rebuilt it I think it just has one too many years on it.

Tonight Angie drained the gas out of the tank
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I was happy to find nothing came out of the tank. the funnel was clean. No junk.
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Post by Scott_Conger » Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:07 pm

Lead washers will seal with barely a tweak

I'd suspect more that your shutoff valve was weeping and letting an imperceptible drip run down and hang from the base around the lead seal

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Post by Mopar_man » Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:50 pm

I hope so. Don't want a gas leak.

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Post by Mopar_man » Mon Jan 02, 2023 10:07 pm

Look what came in from Lang's. I got a sediment bowl along with two screens to change in the future. I got some front end bushings, Tie Rod bolts and my first part that I don't need. A 1926 date for the radiator.
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I trimmed the rear floor board so that it fit better.
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Angie took care of trimming the rubber mat for the rear seat. She had the eyes and steady hand.
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Post by Mopar_man » Mon Jan 02, 2023 10:17 pm

Then we started to heat up the rear tack rail. This stuff is easy to work with when you heat it up with a heat gun.
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Next we drilled some holes and counter sunk the screws.
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Post by Mopar_man » Mon Jan 02, 2023 10:20 pm

Now the first thing you should buy when you get a T are all the books. Everyone runs out and buys some bling for the car that's not necessary. I figure I've done enough of the hard stuff so Angie could add this 1926 emblem. :lol: :lol:
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Post by Mopar_man » Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:05 pm

I did a big update on Rattles. Hope you all enjoy.


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Post by Mopar_man » Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:08 pm

First up I think I fixed the leak. Time will tell.....
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Post by Mopar_man » Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:11 pm

A good friend called me up and said: "How about I come over and try to buff that paint on the car." Well all you can do is make it look better and I don't have the interior in it yes so...... LEt's see what you can do.
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He even showed Angie how to do some.
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Post by Mopar_man » Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:13 pm

Not bad for 50 year old cracked and chipped paint!!
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Post by Mopar_man » Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:35 pm

Started to pull out the old screw nails from the anchor grommets.
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Noticed the the door latch for both back doors are a bit different. The passenger side has a hole for a grommet and fastener for the door panel.
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The drivers side rear door has a screw in that location. Wonder if I have a mix of earlier touring latches?
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Thinking I may just drill a hole above the latch on both sides for a new grommet and just make it look even.

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Post by Mopar_man » Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:51 am

Sorry I haven't posted in a while. I think the 30 years I did in the Marine Corps is catching up with my back. Can't move so good. Today I borrowed my wife's sewing room to lay out the interior parts from Classtique.
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Then I set them in the car. I'm going to install them with thumbtacks and then mark where I want the holes to be for the nails that will hold them in place. I'll do the same for the doors but I'm saving those for last.
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Post by Mopar_man » Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:32 pm

My back is still killing me but we did manage to get some done.

First off this is how the hardware comes.
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After I used the paper templets to locate where the tacks should be, Angie lined them up to the interior panels and taped them on. Then nailed in a tack to make a hole in the panel to see where it will go when we put them in.
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Next came the nailing.
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I did have to trim off a part of the wood where it was sticking out. As well as hammer some of the metal.
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in the video above Angie used the small tacks here to secure the bottom. You won't see this part.

This is one of the dog legs for the rear hip panel.
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Post by Mopar_man » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:45 pm

Well my back is getting better and I was able to install the rear side panels. Working on getting the puckering out. I bet the sun will help.
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I also was able to get a 26/7 windshield from Lang's as well as some other odds and ends.
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Post by Mopar_man » Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:48 pm

Tonight I made some adjustments on the transmission bands. The (C) pedal was hitting the floor board and I knew I had adjusted them loose when i put the transmission together.
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Here is a video of how they came out. I'm getting a good bite on the drum while still allowing it to not be too tight.

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I also added this bracket to prevent the floor boards from coming loose. I know It's not original but the floor boards were the cheep kind that came with the car and you won't see it once the rubber mat in on them.
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Post by Mopar_man » Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:04 pm

Got some courage and started to hog ring the back rest of the from seat. I was told to hog ring the burlap to the springs first so the cotton won't slip through the springs.

I tried to hog ring where the spring was so that the ring won't move or slide.
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Then I went all around and pulled it tight.
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Not sure if I need to hog ring the cotton as well. If I don't what is to prevent it from sliding down?

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Post by Mopar_man » Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:41 pm

More emergency brake work today. I had already sanded down the aftermarket fabric once and the wheels seemed a little tight. So I took off the wheel and saw where they were rubbing.
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You can see that the cam was horizontal.
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After sanding it the wheel moved freely. You can tell that this is an aftermarket lining because you can see the small wires woven into the fabric. Don't sand the old ones made of asbestos!!!
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Post by Mopar_man » Sat May 13, 2023 6:17 pm

Well I hope this will work ok at a cushion compressor.
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Getting the front seat back centered.
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Post by Mopar_man » Mon May 22, 2023 9:14 pm

Well my chief mechanic graduated from high school this weekend and we're back to work on the T. Slow I know but making progress.

Tonight she stapled the bottom of the seat back.
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We made a slight pocket with the first layer of fabric so the cotton could lay in it.
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We have been having some trouble with the staple gun blowing through the fabric. I have it on it's lowest setting but I bet a real upholstery gun would work better.


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Post by NY John T » Mon May 22, 2023 9:42 pm

A longer hose might have less pressure. Or turn down the pressure output of the tank if you can

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I'll give turning down the compressor a try.

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Be sure to staple at the pleats where the fabric is doubled over. :)
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Post by Mopar_man » Sat May 27, 2023 9:44 pm

This is how I'm stapling the back rest of the front seat. Most of the stapling is on top of the "plastic" wood that way I have plenty of space on the back part of the wood for the vinyl.

Check out the video.


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Post by Mopar_man » Sat May 27, 2023 9:55 pm

On to a windshield question. I have a reproduction frame that I'm using and I bought new glass caps, bolts, etc from Langs. I had some that I found for a chrome windshield I sold but they won't fit this frame and because they go with that windshield I'm sending them to the buyer.

First off. I think this is the order these parts go together. The windshield stanchion going in-between the wing nut and the nut in the picture. Am I correct?
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Then on the bottom frame where the rubber slides in there is a slightly drilled hole. Just a machining mark?
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Post by Distagon2 » Sat May 27, 2023 10:57 pm

Did you ever find yourself a radiator support rod? If not, I have a bunch of them that I think are mostly 26-27. I have a 26 coupe and I believe the radiator support rods I have fit the coupe, which I also think fits the roadster. If it is something you need, let me know and I can get it in the mail to you. If you feel like reimbursing me for postage, well that would be up to you.

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Post by Mopar_man » Sat May 27, 2023 11:39 pm

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Did you ever find yourself a radiator support rod? If not, I have a bunch of them that I think are mostly 26-27. I have a 26 coupe and I believe the radiator support rods I have fit the coupe, which I also think fits the roadster. If it is something you need, let me know and I can get it in the mail to you. If you feel like reimbursing me for postage, well that would be up to you.

I've got one thanks!!! Appreciate you looking out for me.

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Post by Mopar_man » Mon May 29, 2023 4:42 pm

Well the back of the front seat is done. I only managed to cut myself once. We made some mistakes but we're learning and having fun.
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Post by Mopar_man » Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:48 pm

Moved to the back seat toady and got it done. We decided to install the welt for now to help hold on the seat back and make it look nice. I'm not planning to do the top for a while. So I'll pull it off what I do that.
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You can see that I need to tuck in the sides a bit to get out the wrinkles.

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Angie also did a great job cutting the floor mat. She took out the floorboards and used them as a templet. I had a problem with the carburetor rod spinning some while driving so we decided to cut a slit in the mat that give it some friction to hold in place.
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Post by Mopar_man » Mon Jul 03, 2023 6:58 pm

Started to put the seat bottoms together.
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We discovered that the 1'x1' Wood we used was bowing in the middle and not compressing the springs well.
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So we changed them out for some 2x4's. That should work.
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We also put the door panels in. First we had to make some adjustment to the templates.
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They looked great!
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Post by Mopar_man » Mon Jul 03, 2023 7:02 pm

Moving on to the windshield. We drilled and tapped the filler blocks.
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Post by Henry K. Lee » Mon Jul 03, 2023 7:14 pm

Robert and the Young Lady,

The memories, quality time spent with each other learning, the bonding of father and daughter are without question.., PRICELESS! Very happy for you and yours.

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Post by Mopar_man » Mon Jul 03, 2023 7:26 pm

Henry K. Lee wrote:
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Robert and the Young Lady,

The memories, quality time spent with each other learning, the bonding of father and daughter are without question.., PRICELESS! Very happy for you and yours.

All the Best,

Hank
Thanks Hank. You are so right. She's going off to college in Aug. I'm going to miss my T Builder.


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Post by Dallas Landers » Mon Jul 03, 2023 8:12 pm

What Hank said!
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Post by Scott_Conger » Mon Jul 03, 2023 8:44 pm

Robert - FWIW, the carb adjustment shouldn't be coming up through the floormat (and to keep it from turning, just take the needle out and squeeze the 2 little fingers in a tad to grasp the brass post in the top of the carb
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Post by Mopar_man » Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:02 pm

Scott_Conger wrote:
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Robert - FWIW, the carb adjustment shouldn't be coming up through the floormat (and to keep it from turning, just take the needle out and squeeze the 2 little fingers in a tad to grasp the brass post in the top of the carb
Thanks Scott. I'll give that a try.

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Post by 1925 Touring » Tue Jul 04, 2023 2:09 pm

It is nice to see more younger people interested and involved with the Model T's. I graduated in May of 2023 and my graduation present was a 22 touring from my whole family! While I'm not going to be doing a complete restoration, it does need new bands and brake drum... So we have to take the engine out...
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Post by Mopar_man » Tue Jul 04, 2023 7:36 pm

1925 Touring wrote:
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It is nice to see more younger people interested and involved with the Model T's. I graduated in May of 2023 and my graduation present was a 22 touring from my whole family! While I'm not going to be doing a complete restoration, it does need new bands and brake drum... So we have to take the engine out...
Keep after it Austin. You guys are what will keep the hobby going!!
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Post by Allan » Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:22 pm

Regarding the fit of the upholstery backrests, that in the rear seat is drawn down at the top corners to follow the curve in the body, which is what I would expect. The front seat has big square shoulders, like some women's fashions of the past. I believe they should be drawn down to follow the body lines, just like the back seat. There is plenty of material available to make this adjustment.

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Post by Mopar_man » Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:13 am

Allan wrote:
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Regarding the fit of the upholstery backrests, that in the rear seat is drawn down at the top corners to follow the curve in the body, which is what I would expect. The front seat has big square shoulders, like some women's fashions of the past. I believe they should be drawn down to follow the body lines, just like the back seat. There is plenty of material available to make this adjustment.

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You are correct. It should have been a lot smother around the bend. I'm going to leave it for now as we work on the windshield and seat bottoms but I'll get to fixing it as i play with the car more.

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Post by Mopar_man » Sun Jul 09, 2023 6:05 pm

All windshield hardware is done.
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This was a big step for us. I was afraid of making a mistake. It turned out not to be as hard as I thought it would.

Crimping the edge.
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Then we put it in to see how it fit.
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Post by Mopar_man » Sun Jul 09, 2023 6:07 pm

It looked great for beginners.
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Trying it out.
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Post by CudaMan » Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:13 pm

It looks great period!

Can't wait to see video of the first start and drive. :)
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Post by Mopar_man » Sun Jul 09, 2023 11:14 pm

CudaMan wrote:
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It looks great period!

Can't wait to see video of the first start and drive. :)
Well it has driven a bit but I had a gas leak. I think I've fixed it now and should be driving it soon.

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Post by Mopar_man » Sun Jul 23, 2023 9:25 pm

Completed the back seat bun. I know the side looks bumpy but it came out good once it was all done. Besides that the back of the seat. Shhhhhhh don't tell anyone. Ha!! :D :D :D
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All the videos I've seen on how to crimp the edge of the seat bun are blocked by the person doing the work. Here is how we crimped the edge of the seat frame.

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I also dropped the windshield frames off at the glass shop. Should be done soon.
Had to get a battery (my original one was over 7 ears old and was having issues) Got an Optima. Hope it's not too tall.

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Post by Mopar_man » Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:08 pm

Well we have glass!!
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The hardware.
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The tops of the stanchions are a bit far apart so I used a clamp to flex them into shape.
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After flexing I'll loosen up the stanchion bolts to put it all together. I don't want the stanchions to pull at the frame of the windshield.
I'll bolt on the brackets for some future sidelights. Hoping to find a nice set for a late car.
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Post by CudaMan » Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:16 pm

I think there should be a gap between the windshield frames and the stanchions so that the windshield frames can fold out for ventilation. There should be rubber seals to fill the gaps. The vendors sell seal kits.

https://www.modeltford.com/item/7840B.aspx
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Post by Mopar_man » Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:28 pm

CudaMan wrote:
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I think there should be a gap between the windshield frames and the stanchions so that the windshield frames can fold out for ventilation. There should be rubber seals to fill the gaps. The vendors sell seal kits.

https://www.modeltford.com/item/7840B.aspx
You're right. I have the rubber in the stanchions. The bolts for the frames didn't go into the holes to get the wing nuts on. I think I've fixed it. Stay tuned!!! Ha!!

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Post by Mopar_man » Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:30 pm

Tonight I loosened up the stanchions and added the brackets for side lamps. Soon I'll be looking for some improved car side oil lamps. But for now I put the brackets on so I can complete the interior with the kick panels.
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Post by Mopar_man » Thu Jul 27, 2023 9:11 pm

The windshield and seat buns went in!!
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Have to make some adjustments. The ends of the frame are hitting. Trying to get a new windshield frame in 90+ year old stanchions to work together is going to be interesting.
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Post by Mark Nunn » Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:16 am

On my '26 I have the seal that is between the upper and lower frames installed with the raised flap to the inside. I don't know if that is correct but it lets me swing one or both frames outward for ventilation. Your seal (in your last photo) has the flap on the outside, which would interfere with opening either windshield frame.

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Post by Mopar_man » Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:53 pm

Well we had a setback. While trying to adjust the windshield caps on the end of the frame we got a small crack. Oh well things happen. It's very small so I'm going to wait until it's all grown up into a big crack before I replace it.

Angie got the windshield nice and clean.
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She also made sure the windshield stanchions were tight.
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Now we were ready for a ride.
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Post by Mopar_man » Sun Jul 30, 2023 9:02 pm

Now for some driving video.

https://youtube.com/shorts/IVOs-7fFpxQ


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Got to check the floorboards. I stepped on Reverse and the peddle got stuck. I think it's hitting the floorboard on the side. I did put new springs on the bands.


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Re: Getting Rattles Back On The Road

Post by Henry K. Lee » Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:01 pm

Robert,

You now have room for another project..., the helper just got her college car done in time! What an AWESOME Dad!

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