Ford t 1909 2 levers running chassis

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Ford t 1909 2 levers running chassis

Post by bcbug68 » Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:13 am

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Dear MTFCA members,

I will not be able to finish my Ford T for different reasons, so I sell the running chassis.
I take advantage of this message, to thanks the MTFCA members who help me to restore this car.

This Ford is the number 489, which is a very rare 2 pedals 2 levers exported in juanuary 1909 (I started to explain the restoration in this forum, but after I did not find the time to continue, maybe you could find the links?).

I restored all the internal and mechanical parts to be able to drive the car in safety conditions. But the external parts were patinated.

Below, I give you the lists of the original and new parts and other pictures. For more information about the restoration write me in private message.
The price is 85000 euros (or make an offer, the car is in France).

Original parts N°489 :

Chassis
Engine
Gearbox
Rear axle


Original parts early 1909 :

Front axle (bought at Don lang’s)
Steering tube and sterrin pinion case
Steering support fixed on the frame
Steering axle
Gas tank
Hood former
Firewall bracket
Aluminium hood

Original parts other years :

Wheels not demountable
Kingston coil box an coils 1909-1913
Rear tapered leaf springs
Radiator brass cap
Carburator (original need to be adjusted will be given with the car)
1923-1927 magneto coils and magnet (missing parts in the engine)
Spider gears axle
Gears mounted on the new rear axle tapered shaft

New parts :

Radiator
Brass pipe between the radiator and the water pump
Steering wheel
Gas and Ignition command
Steering gear set
Hubcaps
Exaust pipe, nut and muffler
Hoses
Pistons and rings
Valves
Spring valves
Connecting rods
Head gasket
Water pump turbine (I made the patern)
Fan bought at Kim Dobbins
Timer 1909 but not early cars
Sparks plugs
Sparks plugs wires
Coil box switch, hinges and Kingston plates
Clutch
Gearbox bushes
Rebabbited ball cap
Kevlar band linings
Front axle bushes
Tie rod bolt
Front bearing and seals
Pit man arm
Front and rear early shackles
Carb control
Firewall
Drive shaft
Brass bushe axle shaft
Pinion gear and ring
Rear axle tapered
Rear bearing and sleeves and seals
Brass bushes machined instead of babitt bushes in the rear axle
Oilers
And a lot of others small parts…

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Re: Ford t 1909 2 levers running chassis

Post by Andrew Brand » Mon Nov 01, 2021 4:00 pm

The original post by Brice with photos of the car as found is here:
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/257047/322425.html


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Post by Dropacent » Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:10 pm

Beautiful ford there, Brice ! I love the sympathetic restoration that leaves no doubt to the originality , even embracing its flaws from time !


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Post by Michael Paul » Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:28 pm

A rare find!
With today's exchange rate that would be $98,600 USD.

I'm still looking for serial # 636 that was delivered to Grass Valley California in 1909. Shipped by rail to Colfax, then transferred on to the narrow gauge railroad to Grass Valley . The actual site of the station is still there. Taylor, the proud owner, started the Daisy Chain mine back in the 1850s. I'm sure by 1909, he was well funded, could have bought just about anything, but chose a Model T.

I hope this car makes it's way back to the US. It's the real deal!


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Re: Ford t 1909 2 levers running chassis

Post by bcbug68 » Thu Nov 04, 2021 5:02 am

Thank you for the links of the first topics on this car. You can see all the work done!
Yes I wanted to keep the marks of the time, but inside is brand new.
Don’t hesitate to ask about the restoration. The price will be in euro because it is easier here, but it is negotiable, make me offers.


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Re: Ford t 1909 2 levers running chassis

Post by Michael Paul » Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:43 pm

Brice do you still have all of the original internal parts from the engine and transmission? Can you send photos?


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Post by bcbug68 » Sat Nov 06, 2021 9:29 am

Yes I keep all the original parts. And all the restoration I made are reversible. Even the magneto could be put again on the engine, I made a brass part to hide the hole.
I don't have beautiful pictures of all of them, but below you will have an overview. I could make more beautiful pictures if it is interesting for the next owner.

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Re: Ford t 1909 2 levers running chassis

Post by ChrisB » Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:58 pm

I moved this from the parts classifieds for Brice.

Here is an older post on the restoration, if I can find more I will add them.

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Re: Ford t 1909 2 levers running chassis

Post by FATMAN » Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:27 pm

how much to ship to the USA, Bob


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Re: Ford t 1909 2 levers running chassis

Post by Lcjudge » Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:42 am

Sadly, right now shipping is VERY EXPENSIVE. I had a crate shipped from England in Sept of last year. It was slightly smaller than the dimensions of a T. It cost me about $4000 from their doorstep to mine. I talked with the shipping agent about 6 weeks ago and he said I was lucky I shipped when I did. He said that same shipment today would cost closer to $15,000. He felt prices would come down but didn’t know when.


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Re: Ford t 1909 2 levers running chassis

Post by Lcjudge » Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:17 am

Keith, get this car and you and Dave can have T races…


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Re: Ford t 1909 2 levers running chassis

Post by bcbug68 » Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:59 am

Thank you Chris to have move the post.
And to find the old ones!


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Post by bcbug68 » Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:05 am

Dear Fatman, I don’t know for the shipping price, maybe ask a USA shipping company to have an idea.

I am surprising from the price which is talking LCjudge because USA to France is about $2000 in roll on roll off condition to $4000 for a more classical shipping.

I am open to received offers for my car.


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Post by Dropacent » Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:57 pm

In my past experience, it’s cheaper to get a car overseas than having one transported cross country. I know container shipping costs are elevated right now, but that will settle down. Also, several active old car people have containers going both ways routinely. That’s very cost effective, as you only pay for your share of the space, and it sure would be nice to have this one back in the states! Hope someone else recognizes it’s significance .


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Re: Ford t 1909 2 levers running chassis

Post by Ron Mac » Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:12 pm

What a great-and historically significant-Model T. Looks like you have done an amazing job restoring and preserving it.
Were you able to find the original build sheet for the car and what body type was originally supplied on this chassis?


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Re: Ford t 1909 2 levers running chassis

Post by bcbug68 » Fri Nov 19, 2021 12:29 am

Dear Ron Mac,
Thank you for your message. Yes, it was a challenge for me to save this very rare original parts.
With build sheet you mean the date of birth of the car? The answer is in the Bruce Mc Calley book due to members of this forum who help me( I bought the book after).
From this book, or other books and discussion with MTFCA members and the red Color I found on the chassis and the rear axle the original body was probably a touring painted in red.


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Re: Ford t 1909 2 levers running chassis

Post by Herb Iffrig » Fri Nov 19, 2021 7:56 am

Can you tell us the story about finding the car.


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Re: Ford t 1909 2 levers running chassis

Post by bcbug68 » Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:05 am

The story is very simple. The chassis with engine mounted in and the rear axle were stored in a barn since a long long time. A lot of people saw it was a Ford T because it was noticed on, but nobody look closer to see it was one of the first with all the details you know : 2 pedals, 2 levers, water pump…

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Re: Ford t 1909 2 levers running chassis

Post by Quickm007 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:50 am

Bonjour Brice,

Votre voiture est magnifique et désirable. Le coût actuel des expéditions outre mer est très chers je crois. Avez-vous une idée des coûts pour la rapatrié ici au Canada? Vous pouvez me répondre en privé bien entendu. J'aimerais bien rapatrié cette voiture et terminer la restauration si le coût d'importation n'est pas trop exponentiel...

Cordialement,
Super Mario Bross ;)

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Re: Ford t 1909 2 levers running chassis

Post by bcbug68 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:05 pm

Bonjour,
Comme je le disais pour les usa aussi c’est peut être plus simple de demander à un transporteur Canadien qui se mette en relation avec un transporteur français. Regardez de votre côté, je vais essayer de me renseigner aussi.

Hello,
As I told for a USA shipping, it is maybe easier to ask a Canadian shipping company specialised in car who will contact a French one. Try to ask one in your country, I will try to contact one in France too.

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