1911 Model T on T-bay

[KWTownsend]

I saw this listing on E-bay for this 1911 touring:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/145771768098

I has a serial number about 2000 earlier than my car, and has most of the correct details for a car of this era. It has a Beaudette body; Unfortunately, it is missing the fore-doors.

I have no connection with this car, but if anyone from the Forum buys it, please contact me.

: ^ )

Keith

[TWrenn]

Sadly it lacks any of the more "intricate details" like a closer look inside the "cockpit", engine of course, etc. Too hard to tell if springs are tapered or not, the rear axle definitely is later, like '13/14. Needs a little TLC of course, the upholstery looks like it could be original yet isn't in bad shape if it is. Too bad it's not the dark blue like it ought to be. Keith, I'm not sure that the '11s had fore-doors. I think that started in 1912. Overall the price reflects the "issues" and is a good buy for someone wanting to either start out in an early brass or take on a re-restoration!

[Erik Johnson]

Tim:

Click on this link and there are many full-sized photos, including both sides of the engine and underneath the car.

https://vmp.ebay.com/ebay/viewAllPhotos ... =137358335

[Rich Eagle]

Thanks for the additional link, Erik. That does tell more of the story. It is an interesting mix of fine paint and patina. I can't help but image a nice original car before the new paint etc.
Fun to look at.
Thanks
Rich

[TWrenn]

Thanks for the additional link, Erik. That does tell more of the story. It is an interesting mix of fine paint and patina. I can't help but image a nice original car before the new paint etc.
Fun to look at.
Thanks
Rich

Ditto Erik! Thanks.

[KWTownsend]

Tim,
Sorry, I included the wrong link. The details pictures show the holes and the indentations where the fore-door brackets were attached to the dash. The body is made by Beaudette and the body number is more than 2800 after my car, which is interesting because the serial number is 2000 before mine. (That is a whole other topic...)

Protexter body number.jpg

The seller sent me a few detailed pictures. One shows the patch in the sill/door jam where the latch striker plate was attached.

Protexter striker plate patch.jpg

Notice the front of the armrest is "squarish" and the width of the sill:

Protexter passenger arm rest and sill.jpg

...compared to the earlier Beaudette body. The front of the arm rest is rounded:

Ward Sherwood new.jpg

(Ward Sherwood)

Cars of this era were built from about October 1911 through January 1912 and used the step-side body. The smooth-side body with one-piece dash came out in probably in late January 1912. According to Ford's fiscal calendar, these cars would be considered "1912" cars, but I won't engage in that pissing match...

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Keith

[ModelT46]

I would call it a 1912. I once owned a very similar T and it was made in 1911, but was of the 1912 model year. It had fore doors. Mine was always called a 1912 and was registered as a 1912 when I bought unrestored.

[ModelT46]

We should not confuse the Ford company's model year and the year the car was made, or the year it is registered as. No matter what you may call this T as, The Ford Company called it a 1912 model.

[TWrenn]

Not wanting to get into a shouting match cause I really don't care, as not interested in this car, but the numbers do show it as a December 1911 build, or at least "install" as we know these numbers have a certain lattitude to them. But the encyclopedia says the model year dates is Jan. 1912 to Sept. 1912. So would that make it a very very late 1911?

[ModelT46]

No, the model year started sooner than that. This T has a 1912 body and the serial number is 1912. The Ford Co. model years were never calendar years. For example, the 1949 Fords were sold strating in July 1948. The 1965 model year mustang was sold in July 1964. The 1910 Mode;l T was sold first in July 1909. The style and mechanics of this T are sticky 1912 and the Ford Company. In all cases, the car "speaks for it self".,

[ThreePedalTapDancer]

From encyclopedia 1911:

“ENGINE SERIAL NUMBERS: 34,902 to 88,900 approx. calendar year. 31,500 to 70,750 approx. fiscal year (October1, 1910 to September 30, 1911).”

“MODEL YEAR DATES: November 1910 through December 1911 approx.”

[ModelT46]

The T has a 1912 body on it, so it does not mater what anyone says, the body is a 1912 model. So call it what you want, give it any yearyou want, the body is still a 1912.

[ThreePedalTapDancer]

Lots of changes in 1911, detailed here.

https://modeltfordfix.com/the-1911-mode ... d-changes/

[ModelT46]

Thank you, Ed. Royce has done a lot or research on early Model Ts. I was a good friend of his father and I knew Royce as a young child in Minnesota. Royce, Sr. was a neighbor near me when I bought my 1910 in 1946.