My cousin has asked a very good question about the commercialroadster with the single rear seat. WHY? What was the thinking behind this design? I know it is sometimes politely called the mechanics seat, but I doubt many people traveled with their mechanic "in tow" where ever they went. What are your thoughts on this? Thanks in advance.
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Re: Mother in Law seat
From various INTERNET sources
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A rumble seat (American English), dicky (dickie/dickey) seat (British English), also called a mother-in-law seat, is an upholstered exterior seat which folded into the rear of a coach, carriage, or early motorcar. Depending on its configuration, it provided exposed seating for one or two passengers.
...The 1865 edition of Webster's An American Dictionary of the English Language defines a dickie seat or rumble as "A boot with a seat above it for servants, behind a carriage." Similar to the dickie seat on European phaetons was the spider, a small single seat or bench on spindly supports for seating a groom or footman. Before World War I, dickie or rumble seats did not always fold into the bodywork.Following it, such optional passenger arrangements typically were integrated into the rear deck. When unoccupied, the remaining space, if any, under the seat's lid could be used for storing luggage.
Some old luxury cars could be had with a “Mother-in-Law seat”, which was a seat that slid out of the side of the car so you could take another person (such as your mother-in-law) with you, without them technically being in the car. Despite the obvious brilliance of this idea, some pesky things like "safety regulations" put a stop to it, which is why we can no longer enjoy the benefits of external seating.
For Ford Model T customers who preferred something sportier, Ford also offered the two-seat “roadster” body style. It was a great car for young couples. However, what if the proverbial “third wheel” wanted to come along for the ride? Ford solved this problem by adding a single spare seat between the rear fenders. Given its isolation from the passenger and driver, as well as being entirely exposed to the elements, this seat became the butt of jokes. Wags would call it the “mother-in-law” seat. It also made the already frumpy looking roadster look even more awkward.
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Wag In context of the 1900's is referred to man full of sport and humor; a ludicrous fellow; a humorist; a wit; a joker.
Today it is a sexist term referring to the wife or girl friend of a sportsmen.
Third wheel is someone who is unnecessary to a group and is tagging along. In this case, the group usually consists of a couple and the third, superfluous person.
History
A rumble seat (American English), dicky (dickie/dickey) seat (British English), also called a mother-in-law seat, is an upholstered exterior seat which folded into the rear of a coach, carriage, or early motorcar. Depending on its configuration, it provided exposed seating for one or two passengers.
...The 1865 edition of Webster's An American Dictionary of the English Language defines a dickie seat or rumble as "A boot with a seat above it for servants, behind a carriage." Similar to the dickie seat on European phaetons was the spider, a small single seat or bench on spindly supports for seating a groom or footman. Before World War I, dickie or rumble seats did not always fold into the bodywork.Following it, such optional passenger arrangements typically were integrated into the rear deck. When unoccupied, the remaining space, if any, under the seat's lid could be used for storing luggage.
Some old luxury cars could be had with a “Mother-in-Law seat”, which was a seat that slid out of the side of the car so you could take another person (such as your mother-in-law) with you, without them technically being in the car. Despite the obvious brilliance of this idea, some pesky things like "safety regulations" put a stop to it, which is why we can no longer enjoy the benefits of external seating.
For Ford Model T customers who preferred something sportier, Ford also offered the two-seat “roadster” body style. It was a great car for young couples. However, what if the proverbial “third wheel” wanted to come along for the ride? Ford solved this problem by adding a single spare seat between the rear fenders. Given its isolation from the passenger and driver, as well as being entirely exposed to the elements, this seat became the butt of jokes. Wags would call it the “mother-in-law” seat. It also made the already frumpy looking roadster look even more awkward.
Definitions
Wag In context of the 1900's is referred to man full of sport and humor; a ludicrous fellow; a humorist; a wit; a joker.
Today it is a sexist term referring to the wife or girl friend of a sportsmen.
Third wheel is someone who is unnecessary to a group and is tagging along. In this case, the group usually consists of a couple and the third, superfluous person.
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Re: Mother in Law seat
"Mother-in-Law", and "Mechanic's", et al, are made-up fantasy names that easily create a visual picture of the car someone is speaking of.
Telling someone that you owned a Commercial Roadster, 1/2 the folks reading this would not know what that person was talking about. If they called it a "Mother-in-Law" car, everyone would know what it was.
Why is the seat there? Well, there might as well have been SOMETHING there that was of little value and easily removed to turn the vehicle into a utilitarian automobile
I believe that this is the ONLY vehicle that FORD called a "Roadster" and forever called every other car of similar body, a runabout, though most folks refer to them as a "roadster"
FORD advertisement here: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80 ... 1247182324
Telling someone that you owned a Commercial Roadster, 1/2 the folks reading this would not know what that person was talking about. If they called it a "Mother-in-Law" car, everyone would know what it was.
Why is the seat there? Well, there might as well have been SOMETHING there that was of little value and easily removed to turn the vehicle into a utilitarian automobile
I believe that this is the ONLY vehicle that FORD called a "Roadster" and forever called every other car of similar body, a runabout, though most folks refer to them as a "roadster"
FORD advertisement here: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80 ... 1247182324
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Re: Mother in Law seat
Years ago, on a visit to Harrah's, I was told the seats off to the sides were called chauffeur's seats and were for when the owner didn't want the chauffeur driving anymore and/or wanted to drive himself. These pics are of 2 different 1911 Loziers which could certainly cruise at modern highway speed. That would be quite a ride with just a little hand hold and foot rail to stabilize you. Imaging sticking mother in law out there
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Re: Mother in Law seat
When the chauffeur was driving where would the owner sit?Sean Butler wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:20 pmYears ago, on a visit to Harrah's, I was told the seats off to the sides were called chauffeur's seats and were for when the owner didn't want the chauffeur driving anymore and/or wanted to drive himself. These pics are of 2 different 1911 Loziers which could certainly cruise at modern highway speed. That would be quite a ride with just a little hand hold and foot rail to stabilize you. Imaging sticking mother in law out there
I'm imaging sticking my mother in law out there
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Re: Mother in Law seat
Thanks everyone.
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