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WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by BigAl » Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:47 pm

The last tool I need to complete my 1911 Tool Kit! Thank you MTFCA and Bob for helping me with finding and buying the other two tools I needed. The following picture is the T 1903 Pliers I am looking for. Any help or leads will be great fully appreciated.
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Post by BigAl » Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:04 pm

Still Looking. Someone out there must have one they would like to sell. Only responses I have received are from a Benjamin Kak, Glenn Priest, Goodness Ways, and Holy James who have tried to sell me my own picture. BEWARE!!! Way to many of these guys out there trying to poach our hobby. Hopefully some member and/or legitimate person can help me complete my 1911 tool kit. Thanks MTFCA


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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by ModelT46 » Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:27 pm

Interesting. A pair that I use daily at my shop has the Ford script right of the hinge. I have a pair put away that was NOS and partly painted light blue. I will have to check on where the script is. I have several more, but you know that my stuff is here and there. I will see what I have in the tool bag in my 1910.


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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by Fozz71 » Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:43 pm

Thank goodness crooks are very often idiots!


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Post by BigAl » Mon Sep 25, 2023 10:37 am

Still looking. Move to top


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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by paulgriesse » Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:10 pm

Hi----I`ve got a pair looks like your picture except ford script on the lower handle about two inches from the jaw--I can email a photo if your interested Paul


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Post by BigAl » Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:57 am

Still Looking. Please see attached picture for the pliers I am looking for. I would appreciate someone's help to complete my tool kit..


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Post by BigAl » Mon Oct 09, 2023 9:23 am

Still Looking. Please see attached picture for the pliers I am looking for. I would appreciate someone's help to complete my tool kit..


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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by Original Smith » Tue Oct 10, 2023 9:56 am

I don't believe there is a Ford script on any early pliers. The band wrench is the exception.


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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by BigAl » Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:21 am

I appreciate everyone's input on the tool's I need for my 1911 Tool Kit. I have been referencing the January 14, 2018 "1911 Model T Ford Tool Kit" article by Royce Peterson as posted in the Model T Ford Fix. I have found every tool per this article except this elusive Plier. Someone must have one out there. NEED YOUR HELP!


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Post by BigAl » Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:30 pm

Still looking. NEED SOMEONES HELP TO COMPLETE MY TOOL KIT! There has to be the plier I am looking for out there that could use a new happy home.


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Post by BigAl » Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:23 pm

Still looking. NEED HELP!


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Post by BigAl » Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:41 pm

Still looking for this elusive plier


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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by BigAl » Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:33 pm

Let’s go to the top again. Someone out there must have one. NEED HELP!

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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by RajoRacer » Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:39 pm

Alan - check out the recent Forum subject about tools - he's got the pliers you're looking for !

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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by 1925 Touring » Sun Nov 05, 2023 9:04 pm

These are the wrenches rajo racer is talking about:
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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by RajoRacer » Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:38 am

My mistake - I thought he was looking for the adjustable w/small script - my apologies !


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Post by BigAl » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:13 pm

Still on the hunt for this elusive plier!


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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by J1MGOLDEN » Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:42 pm

I have two pair with the wider grasp area and like Paul G. described.

I have never seen a pair like Ford is shown in the first photo, so they must really be rare.


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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by J1MGOLDEN » Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:47 pm

Then too, that lower handle has a screwdriver blade and that was not added until the screwdriver was eliminated from the ford Factory tool kit around 1920.


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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by Fire_chief » Mon Nov 13, 2023 4:56 am

It really isn't a screwdriver blade, it's more of an inclined plane. I just picked up a pair, but the Ford stamping is more on the handle.

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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by DanTreace » Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:42 pm

J1MGOLDEN wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:47 pm
Then too, that lower handle has a screwdriver blade and that was not added until the screwdriver was eliminated from the ford Factory tool kit around 1920.


Jim

The taper end of one handle was always present, early too. Note in 1915 the change to the dimension of the bevel and tip and note for use as screw driver, and according to a 1916 change the Ford script was noted on the print, but perhaps some suppliers of the early pliers did mark with Ford script.

Then later a change to the bevel length again in 1920 of the screwdriver end handle, to meet needs when the wood handle screwdriver was dropped from the tool kit. That made the pliers a 'multi-tool', so the screw drive end could remove the hogshead inspection cover machine screws for band tightening ;)

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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by BigAl » Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:39 pm

Thank you for everyone’s interesting comments. Still looking for my elusive pliers.

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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by George Mills » Sat Nov 18, 2023 12:27 pm

Big Al,

Keep looking, you never know, just about when you are ready to quit...bada bing. [Said from a guy who has spent years on certain tool kit make-ups, or lantern kit make-ups. Like something non-tool totally elusive for decades just showed up actually on the cheap...I win, lol such satisfaction]

I will share something that most do not agree with...we all are not EXACTLY sure when started to 'logo' tools, we simply go off of some print of what someone put in 'the price list of parts' for a given year...correlated to the actual drawing if possible...correlated to the 'record of change' card on file. Sounds good...but doesn't answer your question as even that approach has produced foibles. :) And...for items that exist before the first documentation date? JUMP BALL.

My personal take is that more often than not, with my turn for claiming no evidence either way, is that in the unknown seat of the pants guess quantity needed days chances are the original tools were but nothing more than someone else's out of a catalogue commercial tool that were bunched up, collected, tossed in a sack, and chucked into each car built. I personally believe that a bunch of these open commercially available tools with early logo were actually 're-strikes' of finished goods maybe with or without Ford requirement. That all changed when Ford actually created drawings and drawings show things...along with a paper trail. My point? If you can't find the 'real deal' in your quest...then go with an obvious 'later' for now...OR...at a 2 dollar table somewhere...find an identical plier but without the logo...to me, chances are for the early cars, a find like that is more likely real deal than not.

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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by Tony Delbianco » Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:05 pm

Sorry, I don't have the pliers you are looking for. But I will add to the discussion...At least you get a bump to the top.

Attached are 3 photos of the 1913 French version of the "Ford Price List of Parts" book that is available on the Cimorelli.com website.

The tool section shows 3 tool kit tools that have "Ford" shown in the description. The 1917 Wrench, 2337 oil can, and the 1903 Pliers.

It's pretty well agreed that the Wrench and Oil Can had "Ford" on them in the early years. This seems to confirm the Pliers also had "Ford" on them?

Not a smoking gun, but a good clue.
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1913 FRENCH PRICE LIST OF PARTS_T1903 PLIERS MARKED FORD_c.jpg
1913 FRENCH PRICE LIST OF PARTS_T1903 PLIERS MARKED FORD_b.JPG
1913 FRENCH PRICE LIST OF PARTS_T1903 PLIERS MARKED FORD_a.jpg


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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by BigAl » Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:51 pm

Still looking for these elusive pliers. To the top


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Post by BigAl » Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:16 pm

Still looking for this plier. To the top


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Still looking. To the top


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Post by BigAl » Mon Dec 25, 2023 3:06 pm

Help! Has to be one out there somewhere. To the top.


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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by Allan » Mon Dec 25, 2023 9:28 pm

That darn Ford script turn up in multiple places and formats, so will we ever know what came when.
Here are pairs of pliers I have. The top ones have a bolder, more crude script so I have them in my 1912 van kit.
The middle ones have the script in a depression like the Canadian tyre irons I have.
The bottom pair have a less pronounced script in a variation of the position.
Can anyone authoratively date these?
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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by Allan » Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:02 am

I have posted this selection twice now, and no-one has responded. I presume that it is not generally known when the variations occurred. The pliers Alan is looking for with the Ford script on the jaws is another variation. Is it known to be an early one that is indeed for a 1011 toolkit?

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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by Walt Wise » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:08 am

Here is a pair for sale, but unfortunately have been dressed for the dance, only missing the stilettos!!! NO connection to the ad whatsoever!

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Post by BigAl » Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:07 pm

I appreciate all the input from everyone on the pliers I am looking for. The basis of the pliers I am looking for is the article from January 14, 2018 by Royce Peterson on the 1911 Model T ford Tool Kit in the Model T ford Fix. It has a picture of the pliers I initially posted and am still looking for. This is supported by the Ford Factory diagram of February 1911 catalogue. If you blowup the diagram you can see it supports the pictured pliers in Royce's article. The pliers which Allan shows (top picture) and Walt referenced to eBay is what I am lead to believe, by many T opinions, is for possibly early to late 1912. I have never been able to verify that in any article or reference book. Anyway, someone has to have the plier I am looking for out there because Royce couldn't have the only one. If you have one please let me know and I will be glad to give it a great new home.


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Post by BigAl » Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:09 pm

Still looking and still hoping!


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Let's keep trying! Move to the top


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Still Hopeful. Back to the top.


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Post by BigAl » Mon Jan 22, 2024 1:12 pm

Still wishing and hoping someone has one to sell. Back to the top.


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Back to the top


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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by J1MGOLDEN » Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:00 pm

I have a pair like the lower ones in Allen's photo.

The Ford is kind of light or weak, but it is there.
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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

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Post by Walt Wise » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:08 am
Here is a pair for sale, but unfortunately have been dressed for the dance, only missing the stilettos!!! NO connection to the ad whatsoever!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276252161341?h ... R_CpmvaVYw

I bought this plier, stripped it bare, preserved with tung oil.


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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by J1MGOLDEN » Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:05 am

I never noticed my pair had the screwdriver handle.

I thought that came later!


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Post by BigAl » Wed Feb 07, 2024 4:57 pm

Still looking. Move to top.


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Still trying


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Re: WTB Early T 1903 Pliers

Post by BigAl » Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:46 pm

BTT Again.

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