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New old tool for the workshop collection

Post by Herb Iffrig » Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:36 am

I got this a while back at the local flea market. It is marked Stevens.
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Re: New old tool for the workshop collection

Post by Allan » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:58 am

A retired Ford mechanic gave me my pair. Excellent tool for the job.
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Re: New old tool for the workshop collection

Post by Kaiser » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:39 am

Oh come on, what's it for.... ;)
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Re: New old tool for the workshop collection

Post by Humblej » Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:21 am

Tool to hold and turn the u joint to mate the engine to driveshaft. Everyone needs one.


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Re: New old tool for the workshop collection

Post by John kuehn » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:42 am

I never knew that there was a tool to do this until a few years ago. When I changed out the engines in my T’s I used a string or wire to hold the unjoint level and slowly pushed the engine in place and then turned the engine in relation to the square unjoint. Worked every time.

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Re: New old tool for the workshop collection

Post by TWrenn » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:18 am

Jeff, I hate to be a Negative Nancy, but frankly I have never ever felt the need for any such tool.
I've had 4 engines out, used different ways on all, the first one, I just lined up the position of the U-joint to the
square hole at the end of the tranny, and (fortunately for me, cause I was all alone) it just slid right in with little effort.
Next 2 I just used the curvy part of a coat hanger to hold it up in the same "squared up" position while a helper helped
slide things in, the last one, my '25, was a bit more difficult for some reason, but using a coat hanger and screwdriver and
some religion, we got it in, took about 5 minutes once we got the engine from wedging in on things.


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Re: New old tool for the workshop collection

Post by Humblej » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:40 am

Well Nancy, all I can say is once you use one you will never go back to coat hangers and pliers.


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Re: New old tool for the workshop collection

Post by Original Smith » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:23 am

I've got every tool made for entering the U joint, and I still like the Ford one the best.

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Post by Steve Jelf » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:56 am

This is the Mossberg tool for that job. You see it (or one like it) being used in Ford factory films.

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Re: New old tool for the workshop collection

Post by BE_ZERO_BE » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:15 pm

Here is my homemade version of the drive line tool and my homemade camshaft nut socket.
 
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Re: New old tool for the workshop collection

Post by John kuehn » Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:05 am

I’m assuming Mossberg made Ford tools also if that’s the same one that’s the Mossberg gun maker.
Is the tool bent or was it made that way. I bet that’s another aftermarket Ford tool that’s gets overlooked if your really not looking for one. Neat.


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Re: New old tool for the workshop collection

Post by Dom Denio » Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:56 am

John,

The gun maker was O. F. Mossberg. Oscar Frederick Mossberg and Sons was founded at Fitchburg, Mass. in 1892. Later it moved to Chicopee Falls, Mass. and moved to its current location in New Haven, CT in 1919. Attleboro is about 70 miles from Fitchburg. How or if it is related to the tool company, I do not know. Just the facts man. :-)

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Re: New old tool for the workshop collection

Post by John kuehn » Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:22 pm

I did a search and found that Frank Mossberg was a well known inventor and influential person in the early part of the century. He has patents and even invented an early automobile along with making tools and just about anything else related to machinery.
He was friends with Thomas Edison and almost at Edison’s level at being an inventor.
His tools are very collectible.
I couldn’t find anything if he was kin to the gun maker Mossberg but they were living in the same era.


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Re: New old tool for the workshop collection

Post by Erik Johnson » Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:53 pm

I have the 5-Z-196 tool for inserting the universal joint into the tail shaft.

It's a thin profile, open end wrench.

Regardless of what method you use, to avoid injury, keep your hands outside of the ball joint when inserting the u-joint into the tail shaft.

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Re: New old tool for the workshop collection

Post by Mark Gregush » Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:56 pm

These tools will work great if the rear wheels are off the ground so you can turn the U-joint. Most of the time my rear wheels are on the ground as are the fronts so it takes a bit of work to get the output shaft hole lined up with the U-joint, that coupled with working alone, takes a few tries esp with just the wire holding the joint/drive line up. I think that it's time to readdress how I install by trying a different approach. Like making one of these tools and jacking up the rear end.
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Re: New old tool for the workshop collection

Post by R.V.Anderson » Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:53 pm

If the wheels are not yet on the axles, it works great to set the punkin on an old skateboard and slide 'er up and under with one hand while you hold the u-joint with the other, using the Ford or other tool.


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Re: New old tool for the workshop collection

Post by Wayne Sheldon » Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:18 pm

For years, I used a variety of coat hanger and/or screwdriver methods. Even though I had a couple hundred old tools of all sorts of oddities. Every time I was installing an engine, it just seemed quicker to use what was at hand rather than look for something better. One day a few years ago, after reading once again about the variety of tools made just for this purpose, I decided to look through a bunch of my grandfather's wrenches. I had a metal box with a bunch of odd, many broken or modified, wrenches, some dating back to the 1800s. A lot of them are plow bolt tools, and most have no name on them. I had been working on a rear end, and had a couple U-joints handy. So I went through the box, found two thin open end wrenches that fit the U-joint perfectly. Wrote "T U-joint" on them, and put them where they can be seen and found.
The next time I pushed a rear end and engine together it went much more smoothly.
I have no idea what the wrenches were intended for.

I wonder if somewhere out there in all those unsorted boxes from my grandfather's shop there might be an actual model T U-joint wrench?


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Re: New old tool for the workshop collection

Post by jiminbartow » Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:17 am

Why such long handles? Seems like this tool would be used in a shop with either a lift or a pit. Since all the work I do is on a creeper under the car with the car jacked up and on blocks, I would have no need for a tool with such long handles. As others have noted I use the wire method. Jim Patrick

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Re: New old tool for the workshop collection

Post by Charlie B in N.J. » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:38 am

Say wasn't there a photo of Ford assembly line workers using just such a tool? Was it perhaps a film? I know I saw it somewhere on the Forum.
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Re: New old tool for the workshop collection

Post by Dom Denio » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:51 am

Wayne,

Your post above states, "found two thin open end wrenches that fit the U-joint" from your grandfathers old tool box. When you have time could you take a photo of them with a ruler included for scale and post it. This would allow us to know what to look for at flea markets and auctions where old tools are offered. Thanks in advance.

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Re: New old tool for the workshop collection

Post by Dropacent » Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:39 am

Great tool pictures, thanks! I’ve always used my two fingers. Yes, I already know I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I still have my two fingers!

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