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Post by Matt in California » Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:42 pm

Okay they did add some accessories and had an interesting concept going with the paint, but everything looks very original. I don’t plan to restore this, but I do plan to put it on the correct frame. I am in a hunt for matching fenders and splash guard.

I would love to get your comments. I would also like to photograph this to preserve history for others who are looking for details for restoration. If you have any questions I would be happy to take pictures in the areas you were interested.

This body was sold by the grandson of the original owner. If I understood things correctly his father attempted to restore it but the project out lived him. The car was moved from Maine our West. Evidently it set from the 1970s until now. It also seems to have avoided the salty road conditions. So it must’ve been before they did that but it was no longer in service.
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Post by Matt in California » Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:50 pm

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Post by FreighTer Jim » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:03 pm

It is the only one in existence that looks exactly like that.


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Post by DHort » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:06 pm

I have never seen rear floorboards that come in two sections like that.


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Post by MWalker » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:26 am

But David, don't you remember the story? Henry was using up pieces of shipping crates. :)

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Post by Matt in California » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:54 am

I don't see anything special with a two piece rear floor boards. Vendors sell them: https://www.modeltford.com/item/3626CRH2.aspx

Perhaps from the photo it was not clear that this was from the rear. It is much easier to service the battery with these.

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Post by Rich Eagle » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:59 am

It is colorful. Wow, that upholstery is amazing!
We let one like that slip though our fingers when a group I worked with liquidated. I got more than my share but enjoyed that one.
It's always interested me how much the Fordors carried over from the earlier ones.
Thanks for these and any future photos you have time to take.
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Post by Duey_C » Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:38 pm

Beautiful. Lucky find too.
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Post by TBill » Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:08 pm

I am restoring a 1926 Fordor and I am finding traces of that same red color. Could that be the original color? I thought the 26 Fordors were either maroon or black.

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Post by Matt in California » Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:24 pm

Bill,
This car was originally Ford black day and night.

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Post by Mike Robinson » Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:42 pm

Seeing the doors installed brings the color pattern together. Maybe it served as some sort of taxi or shuttle car.


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Post by Arnie » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:01 pm

The front floor boards seem to have a clip to hold the two boards ends that have the slots for the pedals. That would indicate to me it must be a later body. I believe the Fordor also included a green color from the factory.

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Post by wayne sheldon » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:54 pm

A long time ago, I knew of two solid, complete, and very nice totally original '26/'27 Fordors. Clearly the original paint, one was a tan color, the other was about dark olive green

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Post by Matt in California » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:05 am

Color
Thanks for all the input on the Fordor color. For mine it is very clear that the car was originally black. I didn’t think much of it, then I noticed in Bruce McCalley’s book he mentions in 1926 Fordor should be “Windsor Maroon.” I wonder how many made it out with that color.

Floor Boards
Arnie, do you know when the floorboard clips started. The engine that was in this car was 13,457,XXX that would make this date April 1st, 1926! I think this car may have some pranks up its sleeves! Does this date seem to be in line with the clips that you see?

Taxi?!?
I like the idea, but I would think the family would have relayed the story. I was told the color was added just to brighten it up. I do wonder about the six holes in the back on each side. Perhaps it was for a taxi;)

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Post by Matt in California » Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:23 pm

I found this in one of the door pockets.
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Does anyone know what these are?

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Post by jiminbartow » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:58 pm

I have an all original, never restored 1926 Fordor with the original wood, roof, interior and upholstery. The only thing un-original, is the red paint job that someone applied to the metal of the body to preserve the steel of the body.

Bruce McCalley points out in his book that the uphostery of the 1926-27 improved styles is closely associated with the body and hood color (the fenders, splash shields fenders and radiator apron are black) which, if you are fortunate enough to have all or remnants of the original upholstery, it will tell you what the original color was. For instance, the color of the 1926–27 Coupe was originally channel green from the factory and the upholstery had green stripes that corresponded with the green body color. By the same token, the factory body color of the 1926-27 Fordor was Windsor maroon and the upholstery had red stripes that corresponded with the maroon color.

In the photos of the subject Fordor of this post, even though the stripes are hard to see, it appears that the original upholstery has red stripes, which indicates that the body color was originally Windsor Maroon. Unless the body was thoroughly stripped, you may be able to find the original Windsor Maroon color by gently wet sanding a protected portion of the body. Jim Patrick


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Post by jiminbartow » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:45 pm

PS. The bench seats, seat backs and door upholstery below the windows is striped. The upholstery covering the columns between and windows and above the windows as well as the ceiling is not striped. Jim Patrick

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Post by henryford2 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:33 am

From the same encyclopedia. Pictured is my "original" 26 Fordor.

COLORS: All cars were painted black, with black fenders, initially. Closed cars were then offered in colors: green for the Tudor and Coupe, and Maroon for the Fordor. Other options offered later in 1926, perhaps for the “1927” models.

UPHOLSTERY: Imitation leather in the open cars. The pattern was a stitched vertical pleat design on both seat bottoms and backs. Closed car upholstery was gray cloth with green stripe on the green cars (Coupe & Tudor), and gray with a red stripe on the maroon cars (Fordor sedans).
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Post by Matt in California » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:14 pm

henryford2 wrote:
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From the same encyclopedia. Pictured is my "original" 26 Fordor.

COLORS: All cars were painted black, with black fenders, initially. . .
Joseph, I love your photo! The last word of the quote above seems very important to this discussion- initially. What is your engine number or date of manufacture of your car?

I appreciate this discussion. And I am enjoying getting to know other Fordor folks!!!

Also I’m curious about the rear windows. Took a little work to get one of mine going. I found that the aluminum wheel was locked on the spring lever arm.

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Post by Matt in California » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:18 pm

Here are some photos of my front seats.
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Post by Matt in California » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:23 pm

Under and the sides of the front seats:
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Note: center strap bent, likely to remove gas tank.
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Post by Matt in California » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:34 pm

Under back seats:
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Post by Matt in California » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:41 pm

Back seats:
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Post by Matt in California » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:48 pm

Rear side windows:
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Post by Matt in California » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:54 pm

Rear floorboards:
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Post by Matt in California » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:55 pm

Front Floor Boards:
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Note: the number above. Does anyone know what this is for?

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Post by Rich Eagle » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:42 pm

This is such good reference to those with Fordors now and in the future. It's also great fun for many of us.
The details of things like placement of the curtain hardware and cords are priceless.
Great photos and Thanks.
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Post by henryford2 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:59 pm

Mine is a July 1926 build by serial number, same on frame rail and engine
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Post by KeithG » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:38 pm

Matt, In your picture above with the hand brake trim piece, you ask what the number shown is for. That's a body number from the plant where the body was built. I have a '27 Fordor and this number on mine begins with HP, meaning it was made at the Highland Park plant. I saw another one once that began with KC, meaning Kansas City. I see the X in your body number but can't make out the first letter. Do you know what that letter before the X is? If you can make it out, that will tell you where the body was built.

Hap Tucker has a thread going several years ago discussing this topic.

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Post by Matt in California » Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:36 am

Rich,
Yes, I am hoping that these details will be helpful for future restorers who may come across this tread.

Joseph,
If the engine number is correct that was with this body it would be April 1st 1926, so it looks like black Fordors were produced into July 1926.

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Matt, In your picture above with the hand brake trim piece, you ask what the number shown is for. That's a body number from the plant where the body was built. I have a '27 Fordor and this number on mine begins with HP, meaning it was made at the Highland Park plant. I saw another one once that began with KC, meaning Kansas City. I see the X in your body number but can't make out the first letter. Do you know what that letter before the X is? If you can make it out, that will tell you where the body was built.

Hap Tucker has a thread going several years ago discussing this topic.

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Keith, I found this thread: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80257/111490.html
After some light brushing I found a HP mark very lightly written and was not able to take a photo, perhaps I will be able to bring it out with chalk. But it looked like this from the link above:
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So my body number is: "HP X5065" So this is a Highland Park body.

Any insight on these number is appreciated!

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Post by Matt in California » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:28 pm

I did some testing with brake fluid to remove the red paint that was added. I started in the area that wouldn’t be is visible- the center post.

Now I plan to tackle the back!
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It is shiny because I applied brake fluid last night. And I just put a second coat on. This morning I noticed that it totally absorbed into the into the paint. The paint is getting softer.

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Post by Autie » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:13 pm

I am sooo hesitant on posting this but, when I restore Coke machines, call boxes, jukeboxes, etc., and the have been painted over and I want to keep the original paint underneath, I use a paint stripper called CitriStrip. It is an all natural stripper that I use. When I first used it, I thought it sucked because it wasn't working as fast or easy as I wanted it too, to strip things down to bare metal/wood. Paint was only coming off in layers.. Then the light bulb went on and I started using it on projects that I wanted to preserve the original finish. After I apply it, and see it is working, I then use an ultra fine #0000 steel wool pad and a toothbrush in tight or detailed areas, and I keep dipping it in luke warm water to work off the covering paint. The pads get gummed up real fast, so I go through a lot of them. It takes a long time for me to do things this way, but has worked for me well in the past. Me personally would not use brake fluid unless stripping down to bare metal. Too absorbent and will affect and strip the original paint you are seeking to save. The CitriStrip is a gel and not as absorbent, but to each their own. Please, PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE, IF you try my method, do so in a small unnoticeable spot. I do not want you screaming at me that it stripped all of the paint away. This is why I am hesitant to post this but I would not suggest it if I remotely thought it would have a tragic ending and ruin the original paint. Obviously all paints are different and some are more difficult than others to remove. Patience is your friend. Feel free to contact me with PM if you have any questions. Hope this helps.

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Post by Matt in California » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:29 pm

Kieth,
Thanks for your advice! I just read your post after work on this for four hours. Not only do I want to look into the stripper. I wanna look into the methods that you mentioned. I didn’t use steel wall but I did use a toothbrush, an old sponge, a rag and lots of paper towels! Here are the results:
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On a close up inspection you can see in the ruff areas I had a hard time getting the paint.
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Thanks for your comments!
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Post by Rich Eagle » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:24 pm

That is a great trick. It's good to see that black paint.
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Post by Autie » Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:43 pm

Looks great. I am glad it came out the way it did for you. And yes, I forgot to mention LOTS and lots of paper towels and rags.

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Post by Matt in California » Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:27 pm

Thanks Kieth and Rich,
I think I need to get some better photos. It may look better in person. From 10 feet it is hard to detect.

I left the brake fluid on too long on the section under the doors on the left side and I did pull of the paint. I am glad that it is less noticeable. But Kieth's word of caution is important. Brake-fluid, and I imagine any stripper, will eventually pull up the black paint.

I haven't decided what I will do with the green on the doors. If I strip them I want to try CitriStrip as Keith suggested. But I may leave them for the taxi look.

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Post by Matt in California » Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:46 pm

I put it on the chassis, but it doesn’t seem to fit.
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Maybe the body shrunk because it was taken off a chassis about 40 years ago.

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Post by Dallas Landers » Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:15 pm

Dont worry, it the extended cab! Very rare? :lol:

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Post by Matt in California » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:35 pm

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Dont worry, it the extended cab! Very rare? :lol:
Wow! You are correct!

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Location: California
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Re: Just bought a 1926 unmolested Fordor Body

Post by Matt in California » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:40 pm

I got this with the body:
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This body came from Maine. Anyone recognize the business on the front side of the card or the upholstery person on the backside of the card? I’m not sure when this card was received it might’ve been in the 70s when the car was starting to get restored. Or perhaps much earlier.

Matt

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