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tommyleea

At what speed is it safe to downshift to low? For example we have a roundabout with a speed limit of 15 mph, it is a small one. Would I be able to take the roundabout in high with low rpm, or should I shift into low? I know this will be hard to answer, and I will probably know when I get there. Mayb...

tommyleea

Allan...Good advise about the loaded truck..

Tim..Thanks for clarifying the lever position..I thought that was the way it worked, but was reading something different that confused me..

tommyleea

Thanks for the responses. That is what I thought, but just double checking.

tommyleea

23 T Roadster...I am asking this because I was reading some confusing information on shifting. Is it OK to shift into low, when the lever is pushed forward into high gear? I know you would have to be going really slow, but that is what I run in to during my drives. I have to slow down almost to a st...

tommyleea

Steve Jelf wrote: ↑
Tue May 25, 2021 11:36 am
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Tongue depressor, Gorilla tape.

See what you started..

tommyleea

DanTreace wrote: ↑
Sun May 23, 2021 9:12 am
Tommy

The 17-27 tie rod bolts and oilers look like this:

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That's it right there..Thanks..Now I know..

tommyleea

Jim..Now those are some great pictures. Answered some questions that I had on part identification. Thanks.

John...Thanks, I will check that out..

tommyleea

They actually weren't designed to run on ethanol, but in 1907, just about everything was legal, and Henry Ford liked the idea of a farmer being able to make his own fuel from crop waste, which was do-able. Gasoline was not widely available in 1907-1910, but it soon became so as automobiles became n...

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jiminbartow wrote: ↑
Sat May 22, 2021 9:38 pm
Can you post a photo? I’m not sure what you mean. If the inside of the hole is smooth, it is a press/tap in. If the inside of the hole is threaded, it should screw in. Jim Patrick

I will take some pictures tomorrow..

tommyleea

So, I am reading today, and the Model T was built to run on Kerosene, Gasoline, and Ethanol. Why is Ethanol so toxic today, if engines were built to run on it 100 years ago? Thanks..Tommy

tommyleea

23T..My trunk latch doesn't have a key, and doesn't have the thing that the key moves. Do I need a whole new assembly, and do I have to drill out rivets to install it? Thanks..Tommy

tommyleea

Yes, the flip top cups press in. The screw on cups have a threaded base as well as the brass, knurled twist type shown here. https://www.modeltford.com/i/c/2930001l.jpg Thanks.It looks like the hex I am seeing is actually the bolt head, and the oiler presses into the bolt head. Is this correct? Tha...

tommyleea

jiminbartow wrote: ↑
Sat May 22, 2021 4:03 pm
I believe the oilers with the spring loaded cap are tap in. While the oilers (grease cups) with the screw on top are screw in. Jim Patrick

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Thanks..I will have to double check mine now..

tommyleea

23T..Tie Rod lever oil cups. I am missing the cap off one of my oil cups. It sure looks like there is a hex at the bottom, and it would screw out. But, all the oilers I see are press in. Are they all press in type? Thanks..Tommy

tommyleea

Kind of ironic,,,all my equipment; mower, weedeater, leaf blower, chainsaw, I switched to either battery or electric. The wife says; now you have a car that you have to start with a hand crank!

tommyleea

When you find the ideal combination to get a start (my '13 takes two half-turn pulls cold) but she stumbles and dies and you're in front and can't dive quick enough for the spark lever, try "finessing" the choke - a little flutter, hold partially choked until she settles down. Works for me when it'...

tommyleea

Is the fuel out the carb normal, or do I need to fix something. I know if you don't shut the fuel valve off the carb will leak. Thanks for the inputs.

tommyleea

I am experimenting trying to find the best procedure for a successful hand crank start on my 23 T. If I use full choke, and a couple of 9 to 12 pulls with ignition off, it fires right away with ignition, but doesn't keep running. I tried 4 choke pulls, but then I get gas running out the carb. Is the...

tommyleea

I would not mess with the title/registration. Especially since the engine and frame don't match (assumption)..Can of Worms..

tommyleea

I don't have a key, and the part of the latch that would move with the key, is missing. Is there a way to fix this without replacing the entire latch?

tommyleea

Some say these diagrams are not accurate, but they work for me and Ford saw fit to publish them in the day when, back then, the lever to lever configuration was just as confusing. If anything, it can be used as a visual reference to see how the levers relate to one another by using the description ...

tommyleea

I drive my touring at 30 mph. This is fast enough for me. My motor has a scat crank and has been rebuilt recently by a crack mechanic. I could go faster, but why? I am in a Model T and want to smell the roses. I even have time to count the trees in the forest. When I start out in low, I throttle up...

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Steve Jelf wrote: ↑
Fri May 07, 2021 10:34 pm
Only when climbing a steep grade. Might have to retard a little too.

OK.Thanks..I don't want to get a speeding ticket..

tommyleea

I don't count notches. On most cars they're pretty worn anyway. I just move the throttle lever down far enough to make the car go at the speed I want to go. Oddly, the cruising speed tends to creep up if I don't watch it, so I check the speedometer often. Thanks Steve..So, you don't put the pedal t...

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Jonah D'Avella wrote: ↑
Fri May 07, 2021 9:43 pm
Still somewhat new to this myselve, ( driving for 6 months) I bring the throttle almost all the way down in low, and reduce it to half and pop into high.

Thanks..I guess I was thinking about high speed throttle position.

tommyleea

For those of you who get up to speed in your T. How far do you actually move the throttle lever? A couple of notches, half way, all the way? I still haven't shifted into high, so that is why I am asking. Just planning ahead. Thanks..Tommy

tommyleea

Thanks for all the in depth answers. I really appreciate it. I too, remember the popular science magazines. My dad used to get them. But, at the time i didn't figure I would ever want or have a model T. 9 for me also Jim, but I was a Mustang man. Look at me now!! Cheers..Tommy

tommyleea

Tommy, your profile says you're in Missouri, but doesn't say where. There are clubs in St. Louis, Kansas City and Springfield (that I can think of offhand - I may be missing one or two). T people tend to be a pretty helpful bunch, so you might try mentioning where you are. I am in Warrensburg, MO. ...

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Steve Jelf wrote: ↑
Sun May 02, 2021 11:33 am
Low gear is there for a reason. The reason is to get the car moving so that high gear doesn't kill the engine or worse. A tractor is different because all its gears are low enough to use from a dead stop.

Copy..Thanks Steve..

tommyleea

I am in drivers training with my T..From the shop to the house, just in low. My question is, has anyone tried driving just in high gear? Would you have to take off too fast initially? I guess I am trying to compare it to my 8N tractor, which you have to take off in the gear you are going to drive in...

tommyleea

My favorite part is the original rear view mirror..

tommyleea

TRDxB2 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:00 am
or more emphatically!
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Gotta love Taryl..

tommyleea

Steve Jelf wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:38 am
I'll take this in a different direction.

You can use the original Ford shutoff valve. No metric.
http://dauntlessgeezer.com/DG106.html

SWEET! And there's your dinner..

tommyleea

How dare you complain or mention a vendors part aint right? I call for the CCC (cancel culture council) Its unreasonable to expect a vendor to provide a part that fits your model T. It is not their responsibility. Heck, they lose &1.80 on every unit they sell & can only break even on volume. You sh...

tommyleea

OK..big deal over nothing..just seems like everyone is concerned about original, so it struck me odd. New valve works great. I guess it didn't come with this valve anyway, so it really doesn't matter.

tommyleea

I ordered the fuel shut off valve that goes on the carb. 23T...I go to tighten the valve up with a wrench. What the heck size is this thing? Come to find out the nut to tighten is a 15mm..Is this legal? Will it still run? Disappointed..Tommy

tommyleea

I wouldn't mess with the title, thank God you have one. In the parking lot you can have a good conversation about a 100+ year old car.

tommyleea

Ruxstel24 wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:06 pm
Tommy, I have a complete box with a good lid. Don't really want to separate them but would sell the set for $60 plus the ride...
Email me through the forum contact info if you're interested.
Dave

Email sent..Thanks..Tommy

tommyleea

Thanks...That is what I needed to know. The hunt is on..Tommy Caution on some of the reproduction slant top lids that have the sides and internal shelf spot welded which caused t he sides to warp. The shelf on the underside of the lid is what keeps the coils in place. Thanks for the heads up. I tho...

tommyleea

Thanks...That is what I needed to know. The hunt is on..Tommy

tommyleea

23 Roadster..Does the coil box lid secure the coils in any way? I don't have a lid for mine, and had a coil loose connection at the bottom contact. That made me wonder if a lid would have prevented this from happening. That being said, does anyone have a slant style coil box lid for a 23 roadster? T...

tommyleea

Here is my other reflector..Not that anybody cares, just odd the things you find on your model T. And, I rotated this picture in all directions possible, but it won't stand upright. Tommy

tommyleea

Yes, twist to lock the rectangular slots or notches against the flat flange of the headlamp bucket. The circular spring fingers provide tension to the reflector with its rope gasket to push against the rim and lens to prevent rattling or lost. The reflector if left in the exit/entrance position wil...

tommyleea

Do you have to twist and lock the reflector in place? It seems like the pressure between the spring and the headlight ring would hold it in place. It just seems very fragile to press against the spring and then trying to twist it in place. Thoughts? Thanks..Tommy

tommyleea

Mark Gregush wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:28 am
Don't go hog wild getting it tight. Snug enough that the rod does not turn on it own, but loose enough that you can still turn it without forcing it.

Copy..Thanks

tommyleea

The back of my headlight reflector..Just doodle?

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Thanks..Will do..Tommy

tommyleea

23 T Roadster...Do any of you have problems with your carb adjusting rod, firewall to carb, turning on its own? When I get mine adjusted to where I want it, the vibration of the T seems to make the adjustment turn. I must be missing something that would put some friction on this rod..I don't have a ...

tommyleea

Tommy The spring should be stout! The spring is what holds the taper valve tight to the taper body of the petcock or sediment bulb. To take mine apart, gently placed the petcock body between the bench vise jaws, and compress the washer on the face of the spring to get out the cotter. Install the re...

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Tommy Drips of gasoline from your T should be stopped IMO, esp. if you park the T in an enclosed space. The petcock drains on the crankcase oil drain, carb bowl and the gas tank sediment bulb are simple taper valve, held in place with a small spring. A new petcock won't have wear and tear of an old...

tommyleea

Thanks Dan, Good info..Tommy

tommyleea

At the top of the sediment bowl are flats for removing the whole thing, put a wrench on them to hold it. The drain on the bottom is 1/8 NPT, while might take a little force to turn at first should not be that tight. Personally if all it does is a drip now and then, I would leave it. If you do repla...

tommyleea

I planned on replacing the entire drain assembly on the fuel tank, but too much force required without movement, and I didn't want to twist it off in the tank. Now I just want to replace the small sediment bulb drain on the valve. It is tight also. Do these have a habit of twisting off in the valve,...

tommyleea

50/50 it is. Thanks

tommyleea

Thanks for the replies..How about rain water from my rain barrel? I always thought that might work well.

tommyleea

Are you talking about the connector on the end of the harness or the part in the headlight itself? In either case both are replaceable. https://www.modeltford.com/item/6592X.aspx and https://www.modeltford.com/item/6574X.aspx If the sleeve in the headlight is bent, you should be able to straighten ...

tommyleea

23T..Headlights keep blowing my fuse. It appears that the contacts that the harness connect to are tilted, and may be touching the socket housing, which I think is grounding out the harness, and causing the fuse to blow. If i disconnect the headlight harness from the headlights, the fuse is OK.. Is ...

tommyleea

Radiator back in my 23T..I am reading the shop manual, just becasue, and in installation of Radiator, it states to install radiator and fill with clean water. How did that work without freezing? Thanks..Tommy

tommyleea

Thanks Paul, that's good to know.

tommyleea

If you are planning on painting an old Model T radiator, make sure you clean out all the debris between the fins and rows of tubes all the way from front to back with a wire, dull hacksaw blade or other comparable tool. Sometimes you'll find out that they are loaded up with a lot of road dirt. Than...

tommyleea

I believe there is paint especially made for radiators, but I haven't tried to find it. I want those fins directly exposed to passing air, even if they might look prettier with a paint job. That's what I was thinking..I have painted other radiators without a problem, but I am hesitant with the T an...

tommyleea

To paint, or not to paint..I am speaking of the radiator core. Do you guys paint yours or not, and if so what paint do you use? Thanks..Tommy

tommyleea

What irks me, is that they were able to get a title for it! My 23, that's a different story..

tommyleea

DanTreace wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:58 pm
Without the engine running, no real harm.

With the engine running at a good idle, only harm is what will occur to anything in front of the Ford.

Copy that .. Thanks Dan..

tommyleea

23 T Roadster..I was outside the car experimenting with the handbrake for adjustment. I moved it back for the brakes, I moved it forward for neutral, and then I moved it a little bit too far forward, and the transmission disengaged from the parking brake arm. There was a loud slam, I assume that is ...

tommyleea

DHort wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:11 pm
Does anyone do steam cleaning anymore or is it all power washing?

I purchased a small steam cleaning unit from Harbor, but haven't tried it out yet..Maybe?

tommyleea

Some type of foam upholstery cleaning product, such as "Tuff Stuff" might gets results. I'd try applying it to a small area, then brushing gently with a soft brush, then hit it with a wet-dry vacuum to remove as much of the loosened dirt and cleaner product as possible. It's usually recommended to ...

tommyleea

23T Roadster..Top is black on the outside, and cleans up good. Inside the top is white, or supposed to be. Mine is spotted, stained, maybe moldy. Any recommendations for cleaning the inside without removing the top? Not real messy? Thanks...Tommy

tommyleea

It I am installing a modern tractor type, I clamp the exhaust pipe to muffler inlet at the front and use a flex hanger at the rear. That sounds like a plan..Thanks.. If the muffler won't bolt to the lower frame rail, your exhaust pipe between the manifold and the muffler might be bent at the wrong ...

tommyleea

Thanks for the inputs. I will have to do some adjusting to get the muffler close enough to the frame to mount solid. Might need some spacers.

tommyleea

Do you mount your muffler solid to the frame, or use some type of flexible hangar? Thanks

tommyleea

DanTreace wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:40 am
A friend just rebuilt his, with heavy wall steel tubing outer shell. These with the cast ends live a longer life

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Thanks Dan..Looks good. Tommy

tommyleea

YES, it's worth holding on to! It can be rebuilt with new stove pipe. Thanks..that's what I was wondering. I have a hard time getting rid of anything, and I will look to rebuild it. It's for an earlier car than your '23. I'm certain there are a lot of folks who would gladly buy that from you! Thank...

tommyleea

Is this exhaust worth hanging on to, or just junk it? It is off my 23 Roadster, and I have a new system to install. Thanks..Tommy

tommyleea

Thanks Steve and Allan..

tommyleea

The most important thing about the route of the fuel line is, the line should slope up at each end with one low point between the two ends. Do not have a high point somewhere between the two ends because an air or vapor bubble can form and rise to that point then the fuel will stop flowing. It will...

tommyleea

More about the fuel delivery than the line itself. I understand my 8N tractor, with gravity feed, and the fuel tank above the carb. However, at least on my T, if I run a line from the tank to the carb, the angle is downward, or at least level, which is a good thing. Going from the tank to the engine...

tommyleea

CamMan wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:47 am
Can anyone give me a typical rate for enclosed transport for say 500 miles? TIA

Check out the Services area of the forum..Contact some of the transporters and they will give you a price..Tommy

tommyleea

Tommy, Please try what John is suggesting. In most of your "Petals" you can cut into two or a couple of them into three. That will as John says allow the seal to be formed into a more perfect circle. Don't know if you looked at the links that were shown. There are some examples there as well. If th...

tommyleea

Tommy, Sorry to hear about your decision. It's so simple, easy and works so well to prevent an oil leak from the T. I have found that little oil drip up front around the crankshaft isn't like most of the other places some of us like to prevent. The problem up front is that oil dripping or running d...

tommyleea

It irks me too, I think..My problem with the pictures, but not always is..They are correct initially, but when I attach them to my post, somehow they have turned. I tried to fix it, but didn't see any option to rotate. Tommy

tommyleea

You do realize you will need to unbolt the engine and lift it up high enough to slide the spring mount out to reverse it ? Also, make sure you relocate the mount & center the spring bolt. Copy that..I am just installing the engine now..Thanks..Tommy There are at least two separate problems here. On...

tommyleea

Looks like there is a nub on the backside of the front engine bearing mount that is on the frame, that is hitting the oil pan. Does this bearing have a front and back? I think, if I turn the mount 180 degrees it will work. Or, is the bearing just worn out? 0302211926a.jpg0302211926a (1).jpg Yes it ...

tommyleea

Looks like there is a nub on the backside of the front engine bearing mount that is on the frame, that is hitting the oil pan. Does this bearing have a front and back? I think, if I turn the mount 180 degrees it will work. Or, is the bearing just worn out?

tommyleea

I have similar to that on the 2 26 T's I have and I don't have any gap. There should be some grease in there and it should be loose enough for the bearing on the front of the crankcase to move a little each way as the frame flexes. It should not be loose, but not too tight similar to a connecting r...

tommyleea

23 T..Is the front engine mount cap supposed to touch at the bolt ends, or should there be a gap as shown on mine? Engine is sitting in the saddle. Thanks Tried to rotate the picture, but didn't work..

tommyleea

Thanks for all the inputs. I have decided to go old school, wipe the oil up direction.

tommyleea

Is your crankshaft seal leaking? If it's not I wouldn't even bother with the extra seal. I've been using both felt and rope seals and have never had any issues with leaks Stephen Thanks..I am getting ready to install the motor. New felt seal installed already. I am now having second thoughts of exp...

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Scott_Conger wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:40 pm
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Oh..Thanks Scott..My seal must be deeper. The pulley will hit if it isn't flat..I will have to investigate a different part number.

tommyleea

Tried twice now, and second verse, same as the first. How do you keep the seal from going egg shape? I am using the new seal as a secondary seal, not in the timing cover. Thanks..Tommy

tommyleea

Now I am torn..I wouldn't need the pans, because I will only be out in good weather, and dry roads. But, if it aids in cooling then maybe it would be worth the effort.

tommyleea

OK..So I see Lang's has them..Can't believe I never noticed them before. Anyway, thanks for the info..Tommy

tommyleea

Can you post a picture? Can do, but I will have to take a picture first... All Ford had shields on both sides of the engine even into the V8 era. Some say helps cooling some say doesn't (I think they help cooling myself). Does help keep the dirt down under the hood and good place to stop wrenches et...

tommyleea

Do all T's have a pan/shield under the starter? The one on mine goes from starter all the way to the front of the engine. It is fastened to the oil pan and to the hood shelf. I had to remove this pan to get the starter out, and it wasn't easy. I guess it is like a splash shield for the engine area. ...

tommyleea

No oil pump, no fuel pump, no water pump, no starter, no battery, and it runs! You have got to be kidding me. Simply amazing.

tommyleea

Yes, there are different sizes. 28 PARTS 28.jpg Thanks for the info. Ford Service instructs and shows photo of cotter hole in the crank pulley pin, at the big hole end. Place the crank pulley pin into the large pulley hole, with the cotter hole of that pin up, facing the large pulley hole. That cot...

tommyleea

Scott_Conger wrote: ↑
Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:14 pm
You're not reading your emails, are you?

Just read it. Been in the shop all day..Thanks

tommyleea

Took a look at mine today. My pin seems to be much shorter than the diameter of the pulley, and it is not tight. If it goes in tight, why do you need the cotter pin? Not sure what is incorrect with mine. Either the pin is too short, or the pulley is too large. Are there different size pulleys? I wil...

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IMG_3836 copy.JPG Here's a picture of what Larry said. The parts are in poor condition, but they serve for illustration. The small hole in the pulley (left) is for punching out the pin when it needs to be removed. It is, or should be, too small for the pin to fit through it. The large hole (right) ...

tommyleea

The pin does fit tightly in the pulley. Many don't, and have to be knurled to fit properly. Don't mess with the small hole in the pulley. That is to keep the pin from coming out. The cotterpin in one end keeps the pin in place at the large hole end of the pulley. So, with the pulley removed, I shou...

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