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by scott rosenthal
Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:56 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: Difference between Atwood Castle 120 and 120A taillight?
Replies: 4
Views: 280

Re: Difference between Atwood Castle 120 and 120A taillight?

Just my opinion Alex...I think so. I have an A/C #120, an A/C #120A, and a Castle Lamp #120A (almost identical to A/C #120). The A/C #120A is my favorite and it's the one I use on my 09 Touring. I have it set up as a working brake light (that later hardware can be fully removed as needed). Regards, ...
by scott rosenthal
Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:47 am
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: model year supplier invoices
Replies: 0
Views: 183

model year supplier invoices

Has someone here researched Benson Ford Archives to know whether supplier invoices for a given model year are stored together in a directory? If so, then is it be possible to identify all suppliers of record of a given component for that model year? I'm told (I do not know this first hand) that ther...
by scott rosenthal
Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:18 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: Difference between Atwood Castle 120 and 120A taillight?
Replies: 4
Views: 280

Re: Difference between Atwood Castle 120 and 120A taillight?

Hello Alex: As these links show, the chimney and the bale handle are the differences between these two AC styles. There are at least two different configurations of the #120. One has no handle, one has a bale handle mounted on top. Both have the "nipple" shaped chimney cap. There is also a A/C #120X...
by scott rosenthal
Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:26 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets
Replies: 26
Views: 1413

Re: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets

Many thanks Jem: The Yellow Touring with Tan interior sounds like it may be one that Harrah's had, matching this general description. I sent a note to my SA connection today, where I believe there may a SA club member who was creating a registry for Model T's. Seems I recall this was maybe 2 years a...
by scott rosenthal
Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:02 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: Ford T Town car
Replies: 13
Views: 930

Re: Ford T Town car

finney 1912 7-3-2018.jpg Hello Frank: Glad to oblige. The accompanying car in the foreground is Jim Finney's fabulous 1912 original. Town Cars don't come anymore rare that this one. Jim allowed me to measure and photograph this car which resulted in mine. Not shown is Jim's original coach interior ...
by scott rosenthal
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:55 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: Ford T Town car
Replies: 13
Views: 930

Re: Ford T Town car

Not sure what the deal was there. Had to go to the website where I found this and re-copy it to get it to go. Guess I corrupted something.
Scott
by scott rosenthal
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:50 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: Ford T Town car
Replies: 13
Views: 930

Re: Ford T Town car

1912 British Town Car.jpg
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Let see if this works
by scott rosenthal
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:40 am
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: Ford T Town car
Replies: 13
Views: 930

Re: Ford T Town car

1912_Ford_Model_T_Town_Car right hand drive.jpg
Sorry about that....the photo showed up in the preview?
by scott rosenthal
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:38 am
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: Ford T Town car
Replies: 13
Views: 930

Re: Ford T Town car

This shows a RH Drive 1912 T/C with the roof rail installed. I will assume that there is a roof mounted fixture for securing a spare, when used. This photo does not clearly show the wire fencing that is part of this rail assembly.
1912_Ford_Model_T_Town_Car right hand drive.jpg
by scott rosenthal
Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:53 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: Ford T Town car
Replies: 13
Views: 930

Re: Ford T Town car

Anath:
There are also photos of Town Cars where a spare is located on the fixed roof above the driver. Those that I have seen also have a short rail mounted to the same roof, that surrounds the spare.
Regards,
Scott
by scott rosenthal
Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:35 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets
Replies: 26
Views: 1413

Re: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets

Hello Jem:t Your block looks identical to the #9269 block, where both have the Ford scrip, and neither has an embossed casting date. Thanks for this info. Sorry to hear the no-rivet rear end is on hold. I'm curious how these repairs are to be executed, but am certain this is a salvageable situation....
by scott rosenthal
Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:43 am
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets
Replies: 26
Views: 1413

Re: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets

Hello Jem: Do you have the original engine block in yours, and if so, is there a FORD script cast into the lower drive side of the block casting? I have a photo somewhere of the #9269 block, and it has this feature. Also, would you happen to know approximately how many 1909 Model Year survivors ther...
by scott rosenthal
Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:31 am
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets
Replies: 26
Views: 1413

Re: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets

Hello Stu: Highland Park Plant went on line Jan 1st 1910, where I think it probable that the entire assembly department was relocated there a year later in 1911. I think a fair question is whether King, Lewis, and Spangler actually filled out these documents. I would not be surprised if they signed ...
by scott rosenthal
Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:29 am
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets
Replies: 26
Views: 1413

Re: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets

Hello Jagman: Not certain that Spangler and Lewis relocated to Highland Park. I've looked at a few 1910 Build Sheets where both appear to have been regulars. A Foreman named "King" also shows up on a number of these sheets. Hello Dan: Certain is that the cars were processed as rapidly as the process...
by scott rosenthal
Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:37 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets
Replies: 26
Views: 1413

Re: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets

9269 build sheet 10-16-2019.jpg Attached is the #9269 Build Sheet that shows this build having drug out for an amazing 3 months. Given that it took me a week and (3) 1909 cars reviewed to come up with a similar delayed production example, seems unlikely this type of delayed production condition was...
by scott rosenthal
Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:07 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: Resurrection of a 1909 Model T
Replies: 59
Views: 5812

Re: Resurrection of a 1909 Model T

Nice Job Tony....looks sharp.
Scott
by scott rosenthal
Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:33 am
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: Resurrection of a 1909 Model T
Replies: 59
Views: 5812

Re: Resurrection of a 1909 Model T

Hello Tony: Is there a board reinforcement material that is used under the leather for your door upholstery? I have seen known reupholstered examples both with and without this reinforcement, but not an original that I am aware. I wonder if maybe the board may have been used when the rear door had a...
by scott rosenthal
Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:51 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets
Replies: 26
Views: 1413

Re: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets

Apologies gentlemen....serial number typeO....that should read "car number 926X" shipped on August 17, 1909.
SR
by scott rosenthal
Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:47 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets
Replies: 26
Views: 1413

Re: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets

Hello Wayne: You can copy the link "file:///C:/Users/Owner/Documents/1909%20ford%20stuff/inspection%20sheet%2010-11-2019.jpg" then paste this in your Browser, then click ENTER. inspection sheet 10-11-2019.jpg Shortly after your post, I received notice that another car from similar time frame #626X, ...
by scott rosenthal
Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:35 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets
Replies: 26
Views: 1413

Re: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets

Thanks Wayne: Attached is the Build Sheet portion that shows these inspection dates, along with the customary BFA translation sheet. These micro-fish copies are very poor quality, so unless the hard copy was retained somewhere, this is it. The full dates are fuzzy, however the days shown here are co...
by scott rosenthal
Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:08 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets
Replies: 26
Views: 1413

Re: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets

I have a Build Sheet that lists the date of Dept. "D" chassis assembling as 3/22/1909, with the Dept. "C" car assembling on 5/22/1909. Others have suggested that the 3/22/1909 may be an error where 5/22/1909 is the correct Dept. "D" date. I'm not the expert, but seems improbable to me that this enti...
by scott rosenthal
Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:20 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets
Replies: 26
Views: 1413

Re: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets

Many thanks Trent. Do you happen to have an opinion as to my second question regarding the duration(s) between chassis assembly and final assembly of the whole car? Also can you speak to whether final inspection assumed that all finishing work was completed. For instance, would a function like pin s...
by scott rosenthal
Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:51 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: 1909 frame evolution and build sheets
Replies: 26
Views: 1413

1909 frame evolution and build sheets

Hello All: Curious what the earliest 09 was where the frame was no longer modified with reinforcing Fish Plates. I've heard estimates on this, but not seen or heard of actual surviving documentation? Ford Build Sheets show a date for chassis assembly inspection, and a date for finished car inspectio...
by scott rosenthal
Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:49 am
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: 12 column tube
Replies: 2
Views: 316

Re: 12 column tube

Hello Bob:
That's an early12-late 13, not 11. 11 has the same smooth formed flange with bottom holes at the same elevation.
Regards,
Scott
by scott rosenthal
Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:35 am
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: Early tail light help please!
Replies: 4
Views: 431

Re: Early tail light help please!

Hello Gary: Bad news is that it is not possible to remove or replace the #78 lens without wrecking this brass retainer plate. The lens was rolled into the plate as it was being formed, so some amount of this retaining diameter would need to be removed in order to extract the old lens and load the ne...
by scott rosenthal
Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:52 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: Resurrection of a 1909 Model T
Replies: 59
Views: 5812

Re: Resurrection of a 1909 Model T

Hello Tony: I had assumed that the axle cotter hole would be located in a standard radial position relative to the keyway, but learned after the fact that this is not so. Perhaps this is a condition that developed as random suppliers and repro shafts were later produced, but regardless, I have 2 sha...
by scott rosenthal
Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:30 am
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: Resurrection of a 1909 Model T
Replies: 59
Views: 5812

Re: Resurrection of a 1909 Model T

Hello Tony: Please post a photo of the problematic rear hub, glad to try to help out. Pardon if I may be misunderstanding your rear wheel issue....sounds like you're concerned about pinning the tapered axle castle nut....is this correct? I too fabricated early style tapered hubs and had no issues wi...
by scott rosenthal
Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:21 am
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: 1909 Chassis Assembly schedule
Replies: 3
Views: 433

Re: 1909 Chassis Assembly schedule

Hello Dan: I researched Bruce's Black Book to find info about the S leftovers...Bruce thought this happened sometime in July, but this does not mean the practice was not on-going at some rate before that. Related, I have not seen any data that shows aluminum bodies being offered to buyers as optiona...
by scott rosenthal
Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:15 am
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: 1909 Chassis Assembly schedule
Replies: 3
Views: 433

Re: 1909 Chassis Assembly schedule

Thanks Dan: I can imagine multiple scenarios where various duration delays of early production could have been necessary. I have read where engines were built up and stored, but not seen anything other than photos showing rows of chassis without bodies. This at a time when Ford was covered up in bac...
by scott rosenthal
Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:09 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: 1909 Chassis Assembly schedule
Replies: 3
Views: 433

1909 Chassis Assembly schedule

The Chassis Assembly of my 1909 Touring predated the Car Assembly by a full 2 months. Recent discussion of developmental features caused me to revisit my Build Sheet where this information is recorded. This duration sounds especially lengthy, suggesting that the Piquet Avenue plant was either jam pa...
by scott rosenthal
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:59 am
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: Brass Radiator Question
Replies: 9
Views: 666

Re: Brass Radiator Question

Hello Bill: I have similar curiosity about this bolt and question when in the serial numbers this hardware transition occurred...having not heard or seen anything documented. Certain is that the spring loaded fasteners were developed to address flex and vibration. I predict someone will question thi...
by scott rosenthal
Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:08 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: 1909 top bow measurements
Replies: 9
Views: 558

Re: 1909 top bow measurements

Hello Michael: A contact for steam bent bows is: Mel Draper, Geromesville, Ohio (419) 368-3226. Tell Mel that you also need a 48" length of this same lumber to create the rear bow wedge. Not sure who if anyone is making a kit top for pre-1913 cars. If there is such a supplier, I would be curious abo...
by scott rosenthal
Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:41 am
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: 1909 top bow measurements
Replies: 9
Views: 558

Re: 1909 top bow measurements

Not sure whether dimensional differences are due to early or late, but distance from tops of sockets to tops of bows on my 09 are much different than those posted here. They are: Front 8.0, 9.25, 9.75. Rear 9.50. The critical dimensions may be the distance from socket pivot points to the outer tops ...
by scott rosenthal
Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:54 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: 1909 top bow measurements
Replies: 9
Views: 558

Re: 1909 top bow measurements

Hello Michael: Bows are 56" wide outside to outside. Top dimensions and construction varied slightly in design and construction, where there were a number of top suppliers for 1909. Also note how the rear bow has a wedge shaped slat on top, that is there for aesthetics and sag resistance. Curious wh...
by scott rosenthal
Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:41 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: 1909 Kingston 5 Ball carburetor F/S
Replies: 4
Views: 886

Re: 1909 Kingston 5 Ball carburetor F/S

Hello Layden:
Please see my response sent to laydenandjean@comcast.net.
Regards,
Scott
by scott rosenthal
Thu May 30, 2019 12:10 am
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS: 1910-1912 Double Twist Horns Parts or Restore
Replies: 6
Views: 719

Re: FS: 1910-1912 Double Twist Horns Parts or Restore

Sent you PM Rodger....did you not receive this?
Thx,
Scott
by scott rosenthal
Tue May 28, 2019 7:49 am
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS: 1910-1912 Double Twist Horns Parts or Restore
Replies: 6
Views: 719

Re: FS: 1910-1912 Double Twist Horns Parts or Restore

Hello Roger:
I will take the Nonperiel if still available. Will send you PM.
Regards,
Scott
by scott rosenthal
Sun May 12, 2019 8:28 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: For Sale: 1909-12 Aluminum Hood
Replies: 4
Views: 662

Re: For Sale: 1909-12 Aluminum Hood

Bill: See my note about shipping cost.
Thx,
Scott
by scott rosenthal
Fri May 10, 2019 10:13 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: For Sale: 1909-12 Aluminum Hood
Replies: 4
Views: 662

Re: For Sale: 1909-12 Aluminum Hood

I'll take it Bill. Send me a pm with phone number.
Regards,
Scott
by scott rosenthal
Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:14 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: brass plating
Replies: 6
Views: 872

Re: brass plating

Many good recommendations here....Thank You Gentlemen. Gold plating sounds interesting.
Regards,
Scott
by scott rosenthal
Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:21 am
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: brass plating
Replies: 6
Views: 872

brass plating

Hoping someone here can recommend a quality brass plating shop. I'm in Ohio where I will assume EPA regs have all but deleted this service. FWIW, I recently had some parts done by a brass shop in nearby Dayton Kentucky that I would not recommend.
Regards,
Scott
by scott rosenthal
Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:13 am
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: new axle issue and proposed fix
Replies: 15
Views: 1741

Re: new axle issue and proposed fix

I'm sure there could be multiple alternate parts solutions for this, but needs to be practical and needs to look like OEM parts when complete. I have proposed this particular fix because it sounds very practical with minimal shop effort. To date, I haven't received a response from the people who mak...
by scott rosenthal
Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:05 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: new axle issue and proposed fix
Replies: 15
Views: 1741

Re: new axle issue and proposed fix

The gap is a bigger deal if the gap is not equal on both sides, and provided the gap is not excessive. One known member here tells me he has new axles where there is 1/8" gap on one side and a 3/8" gap on the other...yikes! Getting back to the proposed wider drum...if you were wanting to address thi...
by scott rosenthal
Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:23 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: new axle issue and proposed fix
Replies: 15
Views: 1741

Re: new axle issue and proposed fix

Thx. Gentlemen:
Good point about the measures of these parts. I Understand there are similar gaps on both new and early cars, but I have little first hand information.
Regards,
Scott
by scott rosenthal
Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:09 pm
Forum: 2019 General Discussion Forum
Topic: new axle issue and proposed fix
Replies: 15
Views: 1741

new axle issue and proposed fix

Happy New Year All. Great to be on-board with the New Forum. Got new axles and drums for a recent rear end project, and their assembly went together fine. A problem that is only an aesthetics issue, is that the assembled drums and backing plates leave a .15" gap. Not wanting to take the discussion t...