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Here is a photo of an original NRS radiator tank on top and a new Brassworks radiator on bottom. As you can see the new radiator seam around the edge has a lip. The original has no seam and is flush with the surface. Did they manufacture radiators with the lip originally? Were they made both ways back in the day?
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1905-06 Ford model F runabout body. Never used. Very nice craftsmanship. Wood body with grey primer. $2500. Text or leave message at too six ooh five 7 one three six 5 seven. Pickup only.
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Looking to buy a McCord Oiler for a Model S.

I have some body plans and templates for model F Ford, free to a good home, just pay postage. Kdmks At att.net.

is an almost touching clearance of the comutator terminal ( #4 cylinder) to the high speed clutch finger when engaged normal on the NRS. Mine seems like it could hit if there is any movement in the engine/transmission assembly. This is closest at top dead center. Shimming between engine and transmission would give more clearance.

thanks Jim

Hello, I’m looking for some help figuring out a word on the Schug logo. I am in the process of restoring this so I can make some water decals.

I can read the center and right column but having a hard time figuring out the left column.

The top line is “Spark Coils”

It looks like the second line has a “Som”……

Third line is Spark Plugs

Bottom...

My Ford historian friend, Mike, suggested that the EFR folks might enjoy this letter. Most likely, some or most, of this is already known, but nonetheless, still interesting. Of course, it rotates when you click on it. Sorry.

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Ford Tough….

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I need to make a mother in law seat for my S roadster. If someone could give me dimensions, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Jim

Only two or three Model N were assembled by the NY auto show, with only one running for outside demonstrations. This one was hastily elevated for easy viewing. The radiator is not connected to the block. Differences from the production N included the timer located at the front of the motor (where it should be). There’s a celebrity in the crowd...

Many of you are members of Ford & Friends on FB. You don’t have to be a member to open the link. Over the last several days Gary A. has added many good period photos of NRS and other early Fords. Click on the link below to open the page:

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Henry Ford at the wheel of a 1907-08 Ford Model K, parked in front of the Ford New York branch store. A K roadster is parked behind and reflected in the store window. Beside Ford is NY Branch Manager Gaston Plaintiff. Back seat: left-James Couzens, FMC CFO. Right-E. E. Rice, advertising firm owner.
(original photo courtesy of The Henry Ford, all...

Henry Ford warming up his six cylinder racer at the New Jersey beach races (Cape May and Atlantic City-Ventnor Beach) in late summer 1905. A red Darracq, one of three “heavyweight” racers invited to the meet (along with Ford and Walter Christie) were attempting to break the mile and kilometer records) is also partially visible.
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Attached below is a 1905 Ford Model B. Ford’s first front mounted, four cylinder production automobile. Note: both Ford’s earlier racers 999 and Arrow were four vertical cylinder speed creations, and his lesser known “baby” or skeleton racer (1904) consisted of two horizontal 2 cylinder Model A motors together with one flywheel.
Ford produced 500...

This article appeared in the “Boston Evening Transcript,” describing the cars shown at the recently completed New York Auto Show(s). This was the year the ALAM (Selden Patent) rented the Garden for ALAM cars only, and the Independents secured the 69th St. Armory. This is the show Ford presented the highly anticipated $500 Model N. It’s also where...

Tuning a batch of Kingston High Bridge. This model coil was used in Model T from 1909-1910. There are a few original coils in this batch and the rest are brand new coils. The brass bridge was cast and machined and new wood boxes made.

If you are following the updates to early coil points I have been doing to get them to run more stable, I did...

Ed Larson teaches me how to shift his very early T at the MTFCA Winter Clinic in McPherson College, KS. Click on the FB link to see the video:

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Thank you Bill C. and Bill A. for this very nice photo of a 1905 side entrance Model C with lots of extras. C 3.tiff

In color:

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Hello all during rebuild of the gearbox i discovered the gear casing is cracked at the pin of the triple gear, does someone tried to repair this or does someone has one used for sale and eventually also a set of triple gears

On frozen Lake St. Clair 121 years ago Henry Ford destroyed the world one mile record. He became the first American driving an American made machine to hold the record.

I’ve been making new transmission drums for a little while. I’ve made a sample main shaft and now i’m considering making gear sets for the transmissions. I started by making one triple gear to see if I could do it. I think I’m going to try to make a full set and have them heat treated.

I recently started working on the engine of my model s. The main bearings have to much play. In the manual i did see the babbitt bearing is a loose bearings is that the case? Can i just press a another bearing in de block? IMG-20251223-WA0010.jpeg

A friend shared this photo of a 1906 Ford Model K. Ford Motor Co. sold just over 300 1906 Model K, listing for $2,500. Another 6 - 10 were sold through Ford of Canada.

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While a small number by today’s standards, this number made Ford the largest six cylinder producer in the world. The Model K, like Ford’s other 1906 offering, the...

I’m often surprised at the information gleaned from old letters, documents and newspapers. Then, when info is corroborated from two or more sources, it’s quite rewarding (resolution #1 for 2026, “get a life….” :roll: )

While searching for a 1907 Ford sales commission contract, I came across this contract between a Model N purchaser, Arthur W....

I need a water pump impeller for an early 1909 model T. Per #2500. kdmks AT att.net. Thanks

I am looking for a copy of a 1907 Ford Motor Company - Agent contract. This would be for the 1907 fiscal year, so may be written and/or signed around October 1906 into 1907. I have a Ford Branch Manager contract, however the dealer/agent contract will be different.
Thank you for any help with this needle that must be in some haystack.
Happy...

Everything in context: Two racing events at Sheepshead Bay Track (Brooklyn) in 1907, the Suburban Handicap and Futurity Stakes (at one point the highest dollar race in the U.S.) provided a snapshot of the cars the rich and famous drove.

At Both races, held in June and on Labor Day 1907, newspaper reporters recorded the number and make of the...

One question I’m frequently asked when “defending” the reputation of the Ford Model K; “if it was a good car why the bad reputation?”

Just as it’s difficult to prove something didn’t happen, it’s difficult to provide evidence when there was no crime (leaning on my former profession).

I’ve read biographies and historical collections about Ford...

On this day before the night before Christmas, I thought this a touching clip. Clara Ford wrote this letter just before Christmas to a close friend. She wrote of the loss of her husband of many years, Henry Ford. For anyone watching, I hope it brings a tear, a smile, and a sense of Christmas past. Merry Christmas

Click below to see the video at...

…., they had that capability then?

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Ecclesiastes 1:9,
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again.” There is nothing new under the sun.
Merry Christmas

New CNC steel rear tapered or straight hubs. For NRS
$500 us a pair.

was finishing design work on two wildly innovative new models, K and N. Both would be priced well below competitors in their class. Model K, based on Henry Fords six cylinder racer boasted one of this countries first six cylinder production motors. At 40-50 hp, the new model was priced well below other new for 1906 six cylinder domestic cars,...

Set of 4 used Firestone non skid 28x3 tires. Still pretty flexible. $400 plus shipping. Kdmks AT att.net.

I am in need of a set of 3 1905 Ford model C triple gears (or a model A 10 hp). Hoping someone has a spare set or can tell me where I can get them made. Merry Christmas EFR !!

Regards,
David Tagert

As Henry Ford and Ford Motor Co. dealt with the fallout from A. Y. Malcomson’s creation of a competing concern, Ford was demonstrating his multi-tasking abilities. Revolutionary models K and N were still experiencing design changes. Ford Manufacturing Co., created to build the forecast 10,000 Model N motors, was not yet incorporated (Henry Ford...

December 16, 1905; eleven days after the Ford Motor Co. (FMC) Board of Directors (BOD) sent an official letter demanding A.Y. Malcomson resign his position of director and treasurer of FMC.

Below is the letter (with transcription) Malcomson wrote to the BOD, received 120 years ago today:

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This...

Click on the link to see Juha’s FB post:

Thank you Juha.

Castings for the dash rail on 1903-04 Ford. $400 pr.
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Dash rail also fits 1903 Cadillac.
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120 years ago today the Ford Motor Company held an emergency board meeting. The reason? To compose a letter demanding treasurer and board director A. Y. Malcomson resign. He secretly put together a competing company, Aerocar, and the Detroit newspapers had just reported on the company and Malcomson’s role as President and majority owner of the new...

Need 1 buckle for an SR mother in law seat. Have straps etc just missing one of the buckles that mount on the back of the body

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For years I’ve been curious, why did Henry Ford and his designers develop the Model K with individual jugs, when the Model N motor was cast in pairs? It seems that pairs were the natural wave of the future, leading toward the future Model T mono-block.

Then I read this May 1906 “Horseless Age” article.

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The article mistakenly...

Running boards, but it looks like a rear entrance tonneau. I think the shift lever is evident next to the driver?

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Enhanced:
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From this FB post:

On November 30, 1905, “_ _ IT HIT THE FAN.”

As the transcribed article below shows, this was the first the press learned that Ford Motor Co. co-founder (along with Henry Ford) Alexander Y. Malcomson was starting a new, competing automobile company. To add insult to injury, Malcomson had just been approved by the other directors on October 16th to...

I am looking for a correct splitdorf coil box for my 1906 Ford model N. I am currently running an early T box but would like to replace it with the correct box. I did talk to someone at Hershey at the early Ford meeting who said he probably had one at home, but I do not recall his name.

I know Ford bought ignition components from Schug, Splitdorf and Huff during 1903-04, There may be others. Please add any information and pictures. Thanks

Just thought I would give it a try! I am looking to buy an NRS top and/or buggy rail. Maybe you have one and have decided not to use it. Any condition is acceptable.

Respectfully,
David Tagert
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I am missing the portion of the hood former on my SR that goes from the steering column across the top of hood then down the left side. I do have the small piece that goes from the steering column vertically down the right side. I haven't been able to find one so my question is if I fabricate one is the hood dimensionally the same on both ends so...

These were used on 1903-04 and maybe later? Ford cars. Also I think early Cadillac used the same latch. All brass. $185.00 plus $10.00 US shipping. kdmks AT att.net.

Here are some actual early photos from my collection. Feel free to screen grab 🙂
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There are no historical references to early November 1905 in Ford history, but 120 years ago, the future of Ford Motor Co. was about to change forever. And Henry Ford, CFO James Cousins, C. H. Wills nor any other Ford Motor Company figures were involved.

Ford Motor Co. had just finished an incredibly successful fiscal year (Oct 1, 1904-Sep 30,...

Along the lines of the similar topic in the T area of the forum, share what you've done with your A,B,C,F,K,N,R,S,SR Ford this year. Personally, I have done nothing, :( , so let's depend on you all to contribute!

Thanks!!

These guys are in Australia. They restore World War II tanks that have been used as targets over the years. They get them running again. This is one example of what they go through to make a part.

Still on the lookout for a 2 Cylinder Ford project if you know of anything? Unrestored or an old, tired restoration etc.

Please send me a private message if you can help, or with any leads.

Thanks 🙏

I'm putting new bands on my Model S. Should they be soaked in oil prior to install. Could not find anything about this in the Ford supplied owner's info.

Thanks Jim

Please help! I am looking for a Ford Model NRS intake manifold. If you have an extra one I would like to buy it. The one on my N is a model T intake manifold that has been modified by cutting off the goose neck and welding it back on 180 degrees out (right hand drive versus left hand drive). I would really appreciate your help if you have an extra...

This letter (courtesy of Benson Library, The Henry Ford, all rights apply), sent to Henry Ford by his new partner, Alexander Y. Malcomson, dated October 30, 1902. The two men had recently formed a partnership to produce automobiles based on Henry Fords design.

The letter references two other men who will also shape Ford history for years to...

Horace Rackham, one of A.Y. Malcomson’s attorneys along with partner John Anderson were two of the original investors in FMC. In this 1923 interview Rackham talks about his investment, Henry Ford and other details about his involvement with the company form its start.

Does anyone here know anything about the 2 lever T up for auction at the end of the month by Mecrum. Engine number stamped 22? Nice pictures and all the right bits for a 2 lever waterpump T. Is this one the real deal? It will be interesting to see what it makes.

120 years ago today (Wednesday, October 18th, 1905), newspapers around the country (U.S.) ran the story No Dewar Cup Race.

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The trophy, donated by Sir Thomas Dewar of England, was awarded to the winner of the fastest competition mile in the United States. The rules stipulated that the trophy could be competed for twice a year,...

Richard B. Darling , EFR Nr 9, Life Member, passed away in October 2025. Richard was a most generous member. He donated a defibrillator in the name of the EFR to the New London Fire Department. He served many years as a Director on the New London to New Brighton Run. More details will be coming.

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From Tom Rootlieb .

Will there be an EFR meeting at Hershey this year?
If so when and where?

Thank you.

Does anyone have a picture of where/how the muffler on a 08 SR attaches to the chassis? I have the tail pipe and muffler, and the muffler has a bracket that ia bolted on, with a bolt hole, but don't see that the hole lines up with anything on the chassis. Is there another piece to the bracket?

thanks Jim

I'm looking for a 1909 Coil box. I'm going to Hershey. Contact Eric. 815 535 1367

Now that I’m making the transmission drums for the Ford NRS. I thought I would try my hand at a main shaft.

Pretty nice original. $1000.00 plus shipping. kdmks AT att.net.

At Old Car Festival a few weeks ago, someone mentioned that Ford significantly lowered production of the six cylinder Model K in 1908. As a matter of fact, Ford did drop the number of K sold in 1908 (as they also did with Model N). The K and N were 3 year models, 1906-1908. In 1906 Ford’s internal audit showed 301 K sold in 1906, 357 in 1907 and...

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Using audit information, i broke down the net profit by model. Model B generated more net profit than the C and F combined for fiscal year 1905 (Oct 1, 1904 - Sep 30, 1905):

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This is what I have currently for production numbers and profit by year, taken from Ford Motor Co. Profit & Loss (audit) records. 1909 profit/loss by model were no longer documented, and I used 1908 net profit numbers (probably not correct).
Cheers,
Rob

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Hi! I am looking for hinges and locks as shown in the picture for my model A 1904. I am also interested in a gas tank. I will be at Hershey this year if anyone has these.
Kind regards,
Jonny Eriksson

Ford Motor Co. was an immediate success financially. Within months of their first sale, the company issued stock dividends to investors. In many cases, the dividend actually paid a portion of some investors commitment (agree to stock purchase), as several had not paid actual cash, or their full commitment, but issued notes (loans) to pay in...

Several years ago the EFR commissioned new floor mats (original design) for NRS Fords. They were not cheap but GREAT quality and very authentic. I am hoping someone with an extra will consider selling it to be put in service in a restored car. Or perhaps we can start a list to make another run of new NRS floormats. Please email me thru the forum....

Early Fords made a great showing on the run. We had 2 1904 model A, 3 model F, 1 K roadster, 1 model N, 2 model R, 1 model S runabout and one model S Roadster. All but 1 model F finished. The F had a coil box malfunction.

Hello all,

After restoring several model t and a fords is started a new challenge with this early project ford. See picture.

Best regards Gerard from the Netherlands

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Attached are excerpts from the Ford Motor Co. (FMC) Board of Directors (BOD) minutes between April 2, 1904 and May 16, 1905. We see in April 1904, while less than one year since incorporation (June 1903), FMC is taking bids for wheels on their next model (Model B was addressed in earlier meetings).

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At the August 22, 1904 meeting,...

Very nice original unrestored carb. Contact me thru the MTFCA messaging system email.

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It is funny they both have a NRS Ford peeking out of the door.

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I sent an email to one of the Officers (Don't remember which one) wondering who i s the ninth Board member. No response. Now I'll ask all of you, is there one? If I hear from no one, Ill have to go back to my old records and check it out. TIA

Or what would it take to use Model T parts to make a chain drive car?

Thank you.

I used to enjoy the old members photos section. I can't find it since the changeover.

I have an early spring that is 4 inches narrower than a T.
Is this possibly a N R S spring?
Thanks

It’s not Peoria, but an interesting array of automobiles in Decatur Illinois, July, 1905. 66 cars were reported in this newspaper article. Ford Motor Co., just completing their 2nd year of operation, is the fourth largest in number of cars in Decatur.

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Posting here in hopes of getting some help. My wife is in love with the model k. She saw one when she was a kid and I’m hoping someone here has one close to New England and would be will for us to come look at it and even possibly get a ride for her we have a couple of model t’s if you can and are willing to help do this please reach out via text...

120 years ago today Charles Miller and Bro. of Washington D.C. placed the following advertisement, “A Car of Model B ….. Just Received.”

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A quick check of the Miller Accounts Receivable ledger (compliments of The Henry Ford Museum, all rights apply) reveal several items.

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Closeup:
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First, we see...

This is the earliest announcement-article I’ve seen of the impending Model N. While many things are incorrect (wheelbase, opposed cylinders, $400 price, etc.), many are spot on (cylinders cast in pairs, horsepower per pair-8, etc.).

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It is with great sadness that I report that Geoff King, EFR Member and Newsletter Editor passed away on Wednesday 19th March with his family around him.

Geoff was a friend to many of us and was a popular member of the EFR. The quality of his newsletters and his friendly, helpful manner will be sorely missed.

His daughter Emma is a Director of...

120 years ago today:
July 3rd, 1905, the city of Port Huron Michigan, just north of Detroit, announced Fourth of July boat and automobile races in local newspapers.
Charles Grant, Ford Motor Co. Detroit Branch Manager was listed as the driver of a Ford four cylinder racer. As events unfolded, Henry Ford would drive the Ford in the city’s first...

I am looking for a tail light for a NRS restored car. Ideally a Dietz Dainty to match the sidelights on this car. Please set me know by private message or call me if you know me. Thanks! Mike

Screen shots from the FB link:

Continuing with key events in Ford Motor Co. history from 1905:

This is the first public comment/article I've seen regarding the upcoming Model N. The new model is reported to be priced at $400 (came in at $500). While the two horizontal double opposed cylinders rated at 8 horsepower, was off, there are many tidbits here that do make it to the...

118 years ago tonight, at 10 pm, Frank Kulick set off in a Ford Six (Model K) on a 24 hour race. He and Ford were not the headliners or favorites. In 24 hours they would turn the motor racing world upside down.

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118 years ago tonight, June 22, 1907, Ford race car drivers Frank Kulick and L. B. Lorimer completed a grueling 24 hour race, begun the night before at 10 pm. They drove a Ford Six (Model K, like the one seen on my FB page) to a world record victory.
By 1907, the 24 hour race, held at various one mile dirt tracks around the country, had become...

Ford Motor Co., and Henry Ford experienced many strategic events during the first years of the company’s existence. 1903 saw company formation. 1904 saw continued growth, still selling the venerable Model A. 1905, arguably saw unparalleled growth, with the advent of three models, the first four cylinder model, and two 100% dividends paid to...

Complete NRS Heinze coil box. I have not tested the coils, Real nice condition. Lid is new, the box probably should be re wired. $750.00. Kdmks AT att.net. Plus shipping.

Hello all.
This is my first post, and marks a return to the hobby after 50 years. Looking for a small, relatively straightforward restoration project, I bought Model S #1454 from Kim Dobbins. The car appears entirely original, very complete, and free of rust or rot, kept safe, dry, and unbutchered for 117 years! It is exactly as represented....

I’m continually amazed by the speed Ford Motor Co. established a dealer network, parts/components supply and delivery network. This thread helps demonstrate how quickly Ford was able to supply cars, and deliver them to a new owner. The thread also demonstrates how period news sources dovetail with existing Ford Motor Co. documents to paint a...