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Jerry, # 904 would be a 3pedal 1 lever car. 2 pedal ended somewhere around #750.

That is a genuine "TT" stake bed !
Looks really nice too!

Jeff, save me a spot ! I'll be there.

Looks like a Houk hub for a Dodge.

Those are "PSI" brand spring perches.
PSI was in business in the 60's & 70's & 80's making hot rod stuff.
They were in Rosemead Calif.

George Parker was another fellow who did a lot of cylinder castings & complete heads. He made new DO Fronty's & DO RAJO's He was a good friend, when he died his kids offered the DO Fronty patterns to me, but I passed. I did buy his original Archie Powell DO Fronty race car. George's shop was near me...

very early 2 pedal 2 lever car

I live in Pasadena.
Two friends lost their homes & garages with multiple model T's & A's.

I have a nice one for a right hand drive car.

Top one looks like Houk.
Bottom is "Budd"

1930 / 1931 model A, lower windshield stanchions.

The T in the foreground is a Tourabout, the others are Tourings.

Lcjudge wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:18 pm

NorthSouth wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:50 pm
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My only comment would be for you to “paint it” before you “put it together”.
-Smiles
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I know where you're coming from......

I don't know how that would give a good result.
I spent 6 full days aligning the fenders & running boards on my last 1909, but I'm pretty fussy.

Tommy
How authentic do you want your car to be?
You say you have acquired most of the parts.
The earliest 1909's like yours have quite a few parts that are different than the regular production 1909's.
If authenticity is important to you, then you should familiarize yourself with those early parts.

You are OK with that setup. The hot rodders have been doing it that way for years.
I've been in the hot rod building profession for over 50 years.

I have a 1913 for sale
Ruckstell, Rocky mountain brakes,
Pasadena California

very early 1909 with the front fenders that are square across the front,
and covered wood running boards with the screwed on brass trim.

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Just once .

Hahaha !!!

Recently my sister's 1913 touring suffered from "failure to procced" in high gear. Once I figured out it required more than a simple adjustment, I dug into it to correct the problem. I pulled this junk out, that someone had installed in place of a perfectly good Ford clutch pack. The internal driven...

Rod, this windshield is on backwards.
The hinges should be oriented so the windshield fold to the rear.

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Mark
My dad got to drive this car when Ben Snyder owned it.
My dad had been around a lot of model T's, and he told me it was the finest model T he had ever experienced.

Pete Eastwood

those are 1911 brackets.

Original Smith wrote: ↑
Wed May 01, 2024 11:17 am
Why can't the Bakersfield T region, and the HCCA get together again and have it at Bakersfield?

Larry, it is at Bakersfield, just north of town now!

two man race car project.
Includes; chassis, body & hood, and new "Livingston" deep V radiator.
Body needs addition work.
Wheels not included.

$6,500

located in southern Califiornia
626 four two five 1990

Jim Culbert in San Diego made those back in the '70's / '80's.

My dad, Doug Eastwood is in this movie. That's him driving the 1903 Model A at about the 12 minute mark. Also they used my dad's 1909 Ford in the next scene where the salesman shows the farmer the "new" Ford. That's Bill Colier, family friend & HCCA member, driving the T. My uncles 1905 Buick can be...

Tom I have an original 1912 Torpedo tank I'll part with

late 20's Chrysler, I've had a few.

here you go.

Yes, I'll get you some pictures.

I used a short sparkplug I got at the Lawnmower shop ! (don't laugh!)

that is an early water inlet for the thermosiphon 1909's & 10's
On the water pump engines, the water went directly from the pump, into the front of the engine.

I find this car very interesting. Very early '09. Square bill front fenders, covered wood running boards with screw on brass trim, 3 tiered side lights, Atwood Castle head lights, Troy windshield. And an aluminum body! The higher mounted door handles and the way the upholstery fastens to the body gi...

The car is a very early 1909; square bill front fenders / rear fenders with the brackets underneath / covered wood running boards with screwed on brass trim / low mounted rear door handles. These are common on only the earliest of 1909's, and this car shows these traits. It would have a serial numbe...

Hey Mark I sent you an email, I've got a couple.

1915 / 1916

retard the timing too.

Restoration Supply sells threaded rivets, makes life a little easier!

I really like this commercial conversion on this '27 roadster pickup!

I would think that all overhead's would take the same gasket.
The gasket doesn't know if the head has rocker arms or cams!

Facebook says he is in Ft Wayne Lutheran Hospital.
Story says he was t-boned & ejected from his T

Double check and make sure your magneto is the correct rotation.

Rich Eagle, yep, my dad & uncle were pretty fun guys to be around.
They lived brass era cars, especially my dad.
My dad was a good teacher, I wish I had been a better student! (haha)
I'm trying to make him proud.

The L.A. County museum has engine #77, complete with all the 2 pedal stuff!
The red touring is #714.

Regarding the L.A. Museum's Welch,
The person at the L.A. Natural History Museum that directly over see's the car collection is Beth Werling.
I work with her from time to time, helping with their cars
Here is the Welch today.

Here is the L.A. Natural History Museum's Welch as it sits today.

Rich Eagle, I remember a long time ago, when the two Welch's were on display at the Natural History Museum. Harrah loaned his to the museum for display. Some time later, one of Harrah's top guys from his museum was driving the Welch on a HCCA tour and was rearended. The car was hit pretty hard. Harr...

Bill Kirk, he made a few aftermarket parts for T engines. Hop up stuff.
My dad took me to his place when I was putting my first T together.
Some of his stuff was good, some of it, you needed to double check the machine work.

The car in the photo has the characteristic's of the earliest T's. The front fenders with the "square" bill. The low door handles ( although those went on into mid 1909) The vertical crank holder. The multi tier side lights Looks to have the linoleum covered running boards with the brass trim (looks...

I build a lot of hot rods, I see problems often occurring with inexperience with "mix & match" brake systems. the problem may be with the master cylinder. if the master cylinder has an internal residual valve, (most drum brake m/c have those) it could be preventing enough fluid from returning to the...

those are the one year only - 1922 "one piece" spindles. Kinda' rare.
they are different that the 1909 / 1910 "one piece" spindles.

This was our family's 1909 model T, #714.
This photo was taken after my dad restored the car.
This was an original paint car when my dad bought it in 1953.
It retains all it's original sheet metal, including it's original hood.
The original hood is louvered!

Very nice car!
It looks to me, that could be a slightly later 1909 body.
The very earliest bodies have some differences I don't see in this body.

Hi Rodger I had a full week invested in aligning the running boards, splash aprons & fenders on my 1909. Put the radiator & the dashboard on first. If you are as fussy as I am, it will take time. There will probably be a lot of fender brace & fender tweaking. Don't drill any holes until you are comp...

Too many projects, something has to go! This project has many correct original 1909 / 1910 parts. It has many reproduction parts. The engine block is a 1915 that has been carefully modified to the open valve configuration. It is not a complete car. Some restoration work has been done. If interested,...

Industrial Sprockets & Gears,
13605 Rosecrans Ave.
Santa Fe Springs Calif 90670
They have made ring & pinions for 1910 Pope Hartford
1910 Buick, 1915 Olds , etc.

Any names associated with any of these vehicles? I knew Blacky Gold, who helped found the Southern California Timing Association, and he said he used to run in the desert where Edward's Air Force Base is now. He started with Model T's, so the first pic is REALLY interesting to me. He helped me do m...

Larry, maybe it's time you got into the Model T parts manufacturing business !

I sent you a message

Hi Gary,
I'll take the black Centari

Tbird wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 03, 2023 3:40 pm

pete eastwood wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 03, 2023 3:26 pm
This is my car.
I attempted to list it in the classifieds here, on this site, last Friday.
No one was available to process my ad.
Pete, what are the details about it? Serial number?, original body?

New body, non original block , I sent you a message

This is my car.
I attempted to list it in the classifieds here, on this site, last Friday.
No one was available to process my ad.

The very early 1909's had that odd rivet layout on the fender brackets The very early 1909 rear fenders had the brackets centered in the fender. Later in 1909 the rear fender irons were changed, this lead to a change in the location of the brackets on the fender. Later 1909 & all 1910 rear fenders h...

in the last picture, the first car is a 1909 / 1910 model X Stevens-Duryea.
The model T next to it is a very early 1909 with the "square bill " front fenders!

My guess is '10. Gotta remember most if not all 09's were red, and it doesn't look red even in B/W. It looks like that "all but black dark Brewster green" per the encyclopedia to me. I like the dog too! There were more Green 1909 tourings than there were red. The first green tourings started showin...

My dads former car #714 was delivered thru the San Fracisco dealer.

I have a list of all the model T's registered in Calif in 1909 with serial numbers below 5,000, with their owners names & addresses.
This info came from the Calif DMV records.
Car # 235 was registered to a Doctor in San Francisco.

The " Bedford Falls " train station scenes were filmed in Pasadena Ca. at the Lamanda Park station.
This is just a few blocks from my home. The station is no longer there.

Bob I sent you an email

I believe I have a full set, I took them off a TT.
I can check tomorrow.

I'm looking for a fuel pressure gauge for my race car. I've shown a sample of what I'm looking for. Can be black face, white face or silver face. Can be 4, 5, or 6 lb. Can be plain or have a car brand name, like the samples. Face diameter about 2 1/4, flange diameter about 2 3/4. What's out there? T...

Remember, this is a race engine.
Cam & compression can have a big effect on the idle.

Looks like an old hot rod component made by "PSI". They made a lot of "ductal" iron suspension pieces.

Kim, Mark left some of his cars to a few of his friends.
I understand his model T " collection" has been sold to one person.
Did you see the all original '32 phaeton ?

I believe I have a couple of the 1913 type. I can check tomorrow.

this Tourabout appears to be a very early 1909. Square bill front fenders & screw on brass trim - wood running boards.
That puts it in the below 2,500 serial number range.
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Looks like motorcycle speedo drive.
It would clamp to the rear frame & that gear / sprocket would mesh with the sprocket on the rear wheel .
Probably worth pretty good money in the vintage motorcycle world.

picture #14 is a very early 1909, the 4 bolt body mounts give it away . . .

Rich Eagle,
yes #220 once belonged to Ben Snyder.
Ben Invited my dad to his place to see #220 just after he bought It.
My Dad owned #714 & Ben wanted my dad to see #220 before he started the restoration.
I was lucky enough to tag along with my dad on that visit To Ben's place !

Unique body combo.
1911 step side body.
two piece dash.
fore doors that are straight on top..
First time I've seen this combo. On car's with the two piece dash, normally the fore doors would "step down "

Tom, I prefer the darker color you have mixed up.
My Dad matched the original paint on his '09 & it's a darker red than what we see on most '09 restorations.

I'd love to have a 1913 roadster.
Looks like the headlights have been electrified & an electric horn added.
I see striping on the wheels but none on the body .

Your car has the 1923 / 1925 style body.
Neither of the sets of bows you have are correct.
One of your sets is for a 1922, the others don't appear to be for a Ford.
You need to locate a set for the 1923 to 1925 body, like in the very first picture you posted .

what year is your car ?
The first photo is the 1923 - 1925 style
the second photo looks more like 1921- 1922 style.

you could hard chrome the lifters oversize

I thought this was interesting
This appears to be an early 1909, with the squared off front fenders & the early, brass trimmed, covered wooden running boards .

The car is listed in the 1909 California DMV records as being owned by A. Lantz, Colton Calif. which is what the second owner told my dad . The second owner owned a Ford dealership " Banta & Smith" in Colton & took the car in on trade in 1918. He kept the car at the dealership. When he retired he mo...

As far as provenance, model T #714 that my family once owned has a complete know history.
A. Lantz from Colton Calif was the first owner.
My dad was the third owner.
Los Angeles County Museum, that now owns the car is the 6th owner.

$ 246,400 with premiums

Carter BB 1 was available in the early 1930's

When I was at Ben Snyders with my dad, examining #220 when he first acquired it , he pointed out an original 1909 touring car rear body section he had. That is what he used to replace #220's missing rear seat section. I know others claim that #220 was a " mess", that is just not true . Ben asked my ...

the car in the "1966" photo with the fellow holding the hood open is not #220 I don't know what car it is, but I can tell you that it is not # 220 ! I saw #220 as it was, as a survivor. It always appeared as it does in the other pictures. It was never in the condition of the car pictured in the "196...

I saw # 220 at Ben Snyder's place when he first acquired it .
The rear seat & seat riser were missing, other than that it was very complete & original.
These pictures show how it appeared when Ben bought it .

For valve springs , about 50 lbs. of seat pressure is all you need with this head.

Original Smith , the numbers were likely stamped after the engines were assembled !

these are Torpedo brackets

the 1911 " torpedo " has unique frame to firewall mounting brackets .
It has two mounting holes to the dash & it is offset 2 inches to the rear where it mounts to the frame,
as the torpedo hood is 2 inches longer .

Richard ,
why not press the gear off , install the parts & press the gear back on ?
Then you wouldn't need to machine the whole axle .

The brackets you show are for the rear seat .
The brackets for the front seat are a simple " L " version & do not have the " zig zag " on the lower leg .

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