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This is a Vulcan Rod lathe, later bought out by Storm, and then renamed the company, Storm Vulcan. The Vulcan Rod lathe is the same as the Storm Vulcan, except the Storm Vulcan has two free standing belt guards, one on each end. It will do babbitt rods, Bore wrist pin bushings in the Rods, and will ...

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OK, thanks, Alan, I don't have to do that any more either, I don't use Ford stock clutches.

Herm.

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The Driver side wheel, should always be raised. 1. easy to see, if the wheel stopped, when the brake lever is pulled. 2. if the right wheel is used, you have to walk around the car to see the wheel, in many cases, just because the hand brake lever is pulled, doesn't mean the wheel stopped. 3. The mo...

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So Herm, if a guy had an early engine and wanted to keep all the visible stuff original to the year in question, you couldn't help him out? You would not build with an early pan? Question asked with the greatest respect, Bill I have never had that come up. Normally, after I explain the advantages o...

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Well Herm, USA Ford specs must differ from ours, decarboning about every 5000 miles and valve grind occasionally, a far cry from ripping into the engine every 3 months. Well, as usual, Kangaroo Dundee, you twisted what I said, and added your own crap. No where did I mention decarbonizing, and I lik...

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We use 26-27 pans, in all engines!

Herm.

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We never had a problems with all the Scat cranks we put in. About 78 to date.

The only thing that could make some off, is if the line bore Guy didn't know how to line bore, and get them always off center.

Herm.

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While the rear end housings, have to be straight, that is not the problem, this time. There are two companies that make the axle sleeves. One uses steel sheets that are .002, thinner then standard Ford, these are NOT usable, unless that is the kind of work, that will satisfy you. The axle movement w...

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1. Stainless steel valves should 0nly, and Always, be used in place of anything lesser. Ford recommended that valves should be reground every 3 months, with normal driving, every day. That was the cast iron head one. When a valve starts to burn, it is only the valve head that is affected, and as it ...

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dmdeaton wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:35 am
Bob said he is not making the the 2 wrench anymore

You don't want those anyway, you want the Bolt, Nut, and Lifter body kind.

Herm.

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In the course of rebuilding my engine and reworking the magnets I'd like to add a flywheel ring gear and notch the mag ring in the event that I want to add a starter at a later date. The flywheel seems to be turned to accept a ring gear, but in place of that ring gear is a steel ring with no teeth....

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dmdeaton wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:52 pm
So the lifters he sells are not the same as Snyder's ? They carry the 2 wrench lifters also.

Thanks, Keith.

I don't know which lifters Snyder sells, but Bob's lifters, are his own.

Herm.

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Bob's Antique Auto Parts, Quincy, Il.

Herm

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Ok, this is the way we do it. 1. Butt both ends. 2. The lifters are Bob's, the only good ones. Take all the bolts out, and nuts off, and either blast, or wire brush the threads. Make sure the nuts do not move the bolt when installed, that is, rotating freely, and assemble bolts. 3. Put a heavy greas...

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Ok so how do you keep the lifter from turning when you snug down the lock nut without using 3 wrenches? I have yet to see lifters that when down you could hold it with a wrench, maybe the flats were just peeking over the top. No you don't have to trim the lifter bosses, even if you know the secret ...

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Mark, I haven't seen your post , until today, I will let you know how we do it, tonight if I can. Pouring a 1922 Olds. today, just got done with a 1903 Curved Dash Olds, a few days ago.

Herm.

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I don't think that information is out there, no need for it other then the Ford Company, and Babbitters, like us. The caps were all bought from the Ford Co., already poured, as you know. I think we always used the standard thickness of 9/16, or .562-50, the same as the standard Ball cap hole. As lon...

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I give up, where is the Off Topic section?

Herm.

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Jim-B wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:54 pm
I am about to install a new ring gear on an old flywheel and presume the bevels on the teeth face to the bendix ? Does that sound right?
Thanks fo your thoughts.
Jim

Yup, to the rear of the car.

Herm

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The two T's are fine, but I had save the neighbors Brass Monkey.

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Waterbury, Simplicity, and Amco are the 3 machines that are alike, with a few small changes. The Simplicity, has the shortest Rod length holder. All oil groove linkage is the same. on all machines. All were made by AMCO, that is If remember right was the Automotive Machine Company. They made all kin...

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Darren is right, on his information. Also zinc was also tried in rod, and main bearings, in the war years, at least. If you mix zinc with Lead, or Tin base babbitt, both are junk after that, as it won''t stick to bearing shells correctly. I was told by the foundry, that when babbitt price went to 22...

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Long Story, but this is a rebuilt Boring machine in 1945, and never used again, as they bought another new one to do rods, as they were getting behind. I took it all apart to paint it, and it is rebuilt, in new condition. If you look up Hydro-Borer, on the net, it does all kinds of jobs. I was going...

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I just found, Bobs lifters.

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One more thing, you do NOT need 3 Wrenches, on lifters, with a lock nut.

Hertm.

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The lifter bolt shown in the picture, the slot will close up, or one side will brake off, NO FIX. The best are BOBs, In IL. They are made the way they should be. The bolts, nuts, and lifter body, laugh at a file. As always, any brand of lifter, should be butt. None are perfect. That is why some peop...

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There is also a small pipe that goes in the hole in the swing arm, I didn't need it, so I took it out, anp put it some where.

Herm

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Best one made. Looks like the front mount, and oil pans are not there?

Herm.

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Some good ideas there Herm, what are you using for a plug in the drain? And are you taking width off the shoe? I milled of the cast iron, only, off both sides of the shoe, up to the lining. These shoes are crude, I won't be using them again. The drain plug is large zerk size. The plug was a Allen w...

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When cutting the tub off straight, I have always used a hack saw. Scribe your cutting line clear around the tube. Now, take the hack saw, and cut on your line, until the saw teeth just drop through to the inside of the inner, tube. Then move your saw forward, and do it again. You are only cutting ab...

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Those two piece brake shoes, to keep them working straight, and not coming off, i put put washers on the out side of the New Old Stock Brake Cams.

I also used NOS Hubs, in the New wheels.

Thanks,

Herm

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I have always used Dans Hubs, they are made right.

I use two set screws to keep the hub straight with the axle, and I tighten them, and use a lock nut. You do not want the hubs sliding, in, and out, as cornering, and ruts will do.

All that I have put in, no problems.

Herm.

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What is the preferred radius of a T crankshaft? Thanks for your time and help. Bob 903 824 1949 It has an 1/8th, .125 inch Radius. No bigger, or smaller. Rods, and mains should be cut that Diameter, also, or you will have a mating problem. A 2" Radius, should be closest to a 15" Diameter crank. Her.

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Through the years, I have found that more success is to be had in properly applying a specification to a given machining job than trying to guess what the confusing language was on a very old technology/drawing. If you doubt that, try applying old Trade Formulas used in watchmaking: One particular o...

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Herman, I also have a reamer that cuts to 0.003 clearance. I agree 0.003 is probably ok but not 0.002. But that still doesn't explain why Ford plainly said 0.002 running fit. Ford never uses this term anywhere else and None of the other Ford repair manuals even address this issue, only the Ford Ser...

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Well Glen, my new old stock tripple gears that came from Ford, already reamed, measure exactly, .680. The Wilson reamers are, an exact fit in the Ford reamed Tripple gear bushings. If Wilson screwed up, then Ford made the same mistake. Yes I agree .002 thousandths, is to small. Like ball caps, Ford ...

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Clearance for the triple gear bushing should be .003, that is what Ford reamed them at by, Micing New Old Stock, drums, and triple gears. Also, K. R. Wilson Reamers make a .680 hole for the pins. I have got one good used set of transmission Wilson reamers, and 2 sets of N.O.S., they all cut the same...

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Holes in the cap, or web, and a Dipper will do no good, unless the rod has a X Groove System. The holes in the web should be 3/16, and drilled on both sides of the web. The cap should be drilled with 3/16 hole, and not over 1/4. With out the X Groove, oil can not enter the bearing. It would be like ...

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Herm, thanks for the input. I will stick with grade 2. My book on rebuilding model A’s claims that Ford went to a cheaper lead base babbit because they thought the more robust, larger crankshaft did not require the more expensive grade. Maybe that is why the Ford name is on some lower grade babbit ...

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The car is a 1908 Aplex, 2 Cycle, quite a Machine.

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Herm, thank you, that is good information. Is the gold rod photo in your post as poured? Do you have a side-on photo? It's hard to compare it with the static-pour rod being from two different angles. I can see you had leakage with the static-pour rod. I used a combination of aluminium welding wire ...

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Just because babbitt has Ford in the babbitt, does not mean it came from the Ford Factory, it may be 86-7-7, but it didn't come from Ford. The babbitt in the Ford Garages, that we got with Wilson tools, that was Ford Babbitt, all had Ford Imprinted in the bar, and written out, Just like the Model T,...

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Erik Barrett wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:24 am
Herm, please elaborate. I’d like to learn more.

I will try to do it tonight, Mr. Erik, I am pouring in a 1903 Olds, today.

Herm.

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I pulled my 23 engine several years ago to replace transmission output shaft and the slipping transmission that I had put turbo 400 plates into. The turbo plates looked good, but about 1/3 of the Ford steel plates were cracked. I suspect due to heat from the slipping transmission. I replaced the pl...

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C to C, is 7 inches.

Width is 1.500.

The Radius is exactly 1/8th.

First rod, Gold, is our Centrifugally poured Rods

Herm.

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Erik Barrett wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:57 pm
I buy government grade #2 from United Metals. They publish their formulae online and it is what Ford used for model T’s.

Not the same as Fords, Erik.

Herm.

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Bottom line, is that with Jack Rabbit, you MUST put in a spring that meets or exceeds original pressure at original deflection. Neutral will be improved with either choice. Just don't expect that they will hold up or be MORE robust than a stock clutch." End Quote. It is NOT the Jack Rabbit Clutch th...

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Jerry VanOoteghem wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:42 pm
... but, you still need to check for twist.

And the off set. Best to check the rod, only for, twist, bend, and off set. Far to many maybes with piston added.

Herm.

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Only thing I can think of, is pistons touching Head, or Head Gasket.

Herm

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When I was 14, I put in my first peddle shafts. The brake peddle came loose, two times. That is two hogs head removals. I didn't like that. We had a can full, about a quart FORD can of peddle pins NOS, that were cold roll metal. Also we had a big box full of NOS peddle, and high speed shafts. Drilli...

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R. G's heads are flat on the inside, are all the same depth, from one end to the other. They will " PING ".

The Z head is built like the Waukesha, and Hebbie High Power.

Herm.

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It is not one of R. G's heads. It is a z head.

Herm.

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I found a fan bracket arm, with fan hub and blades, where the hub and bracket arm, were made of brass. I didn't see that they were brass until all the old grease got taken off.

Herm.

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We either would take the two down by removing metal from the two heaviest, or adding weight, by wire welding, filling the two holes, to the two lightest. Easy.

Herm.

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It's funny how opinions go. I've never used anything. I just tap them in, and leave it at that! There are different years of engines that, when laying the seal in the front cover, the seal has a lot of slop, about .010 to much. When the cover is to big, we have always laid the seal on a anvil, clos...

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Pictures. Spindle top thrust bearings. No wear, turns easy.

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We have used 312 Ford Forged Pistons in the 26-27 T Blocks.

Herm.

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Jim, Sr. wrote: ↑
Fri May 17, 2019 10:21 pm
Put the bands in and close up the cover. Start the engine and let it idle for a while. With all that oil splashing around they will be soaked up quickly.

Agree!

Herm.

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We don't like to weld on a crank, but what is done is done. The bolts that come with the weights, we do not use, as we had a set come loose once. Nothing hurt, as they just slide back and fourth about 1/4 inch, but you can hear them. We have used about 175 sets, and never any trouble, I like them ve...

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We put grease Zerks in those, also.

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We put grease in those, also.

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We use 30 lb's torque.

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Some repro bolts are hardened, and then ground, they have oil grooves, or use to.

The cheap ones were ground, and then hardened, have no oil grooves, but the bolts then are all warped, and they are NOT useable, at all, as they are junk.

Herm.

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We have always just drilled the center hole in the spindle, between the bushings, and put a small pound in grease zerk in it , and you can fill the cavity between the top, and bottom bushings, and will push gun grease out both top and bottom of the bushings. It lasts a whole lot longer then oil. We ...

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We have always used New lock washers.

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I hope he didn't use the Battery, for a seat! The seat of his pants would have fell out! LOL, I have seen that happen, more then once.

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Kenneth ; Here are some pictures of my home made Straightening table . Unfortunately I dont have the right location for the pan arms.IMGP0207.JPG I seen your ball cap area jig, when you listed it a long time ago. Simple, but very ingenious, and quite effective! I would never have thought of it. Tha...

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The best way to build an accurate pan jig is have a good pan and have it checked on a Wilson pan jig, and then use that for your pattern, to build your jig, for all the points of Alignment.

Herm.

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It may give you a pan rail that is flat or not, and the transmission area that may be bent up, or down, but not the ball cap area, right, or left, the hand crank that is dead center with the crank center so you can turn the engine without it binding on the pulley pin. Or, one of the most important, ...

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I can’t fathom why anyone wouldn’t have MORE hill climbing ability (unless they fouled up the cam timing)!!

Agree!

Herm.

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Anybody ever use a lead test kit to check babbitt? The gun at the scrap yard is broken. image.jpg Sold by the Magnolia Metal Corporation, Magnolia Anti-Friction Metal is still available for purchase today. Introduced in 1886, Magnolia Metal (as it was commonly referred to) was advertised as "the be...

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We always bore the block first a few thousandths under, as there is no way on some blocks, that you can guess the finished size, or the thought size, to see if it will clean all the, rust pits, wrist pin grooving, and previous boring that was done with a boring bar that was wore out, or a block surf...

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Suited up, yes indeed, Welder cap, long sleeve insulated shirt, and Face shield, babbitt is 950. On the opening side, floors, walls, and ceiling, and me, if I get a little complacent. With out the spinner, we couldn't pour all the thin wall cam bearings, bronze, and steel out of all the car brands, ...

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how do you get the babbitt into the bearing when pouring? Horizontal I might understand, but vertical not so much. Most casters are vertical, or you also having to over come gravity. They are also easier to set up, and work on. For pouring babbitt, we use a Ladle with a 3, or 4 inch spout, to go in...

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This is the heating torch we use to heat Jigs, Blocks, ect.

Herm.

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We have put several restamped engine blocks, in cars. Put the bare block on the mill, and take about .010 thousandths off the serial no plate, on the block. Then with the correct stamps, replace the original number off the damaged block, that was in the car, and on the cars title. I fail to see the ...

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Of all the scat cranks we used, 3 were about .052 to short, in the rear main, the flange was thicker also, so Vern opened them up. These came out of older production, I called them at that time, and made them aware. It was cheaper to fix, and had control on the fix, them send them back. We always ch...

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Sean Butler wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:49 pm
Hey Herm: Those X-Grooves look pretty clean. Are they done on a Waterbury or similar machine or do you use another of your home-spun jigs?

They were put in with one of 3 Storm Vulcan bearing groovers .

Herm.

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John E. Guitar wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:31 pm
Herm, those rods look too good to use on my car!

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John E. Guitar wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:46 pm
Herm, thanks for posting these photos of your rod pouring setup. How do you pour in the babbit and what speed does the rod rotate at?

We pour with a Ladle with a snout, of varying lengths.

It runs at about 1,200 R. P. M's.

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We don't have a stove either. But when I was a kid, we could have used it in the out house, in the winter. We have been using the No. 35 torch, 45,000 BTU's . Cutting torches, have no place in babbitt bearing work. We Have used that for over 50 years. I thank the one now is the third new one. http:/...

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We never bore out any Model T caps because they have been filed. I built a Jig that takes T, A, and B caps, and also the rod, and machines the part lines on both. They fit together, perfectly. Also, they are machined flat to the bolt hole, both directions. If that isn't done, the Rod, and Cap will n...

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The cotter pin in the wrist pin bolt, isn't doing you much good.

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We have always done the machine work first, and I mean all of it. You don't install babbitt, and then expect to clean the block after, of cast iron grit is tough to remove, with out chemical. For those that don't under stand centering a Model T crank, as well as others, I will explain it again. It d...

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THANK YOU MARK..................I had a feeling it might be something like ductile iron. I doubted that Henry would have been chinzy and used a simple casting. Cast won't bend. Ductile iron will. Now, I asked for a very specific reason.....mine's bent, just enough that I won't be able to maintain p...

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