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Hudson29

I too enjoy seeing the non Fords. Even at the peak, Fords were never more than half of the cars on the road and its important to see what else was around at the time.

Paul

Hudson29

Is that Lurch in the back seat?

Paul

Hudson29

Ford began offering electric headlamps for 1915, two to three years after much of the rest of the industry. Ford's late at adding electric lamps was due in part to many of Ford's customers being farmers and the like that tended to be somewhat conservative and sometimes slow to accept newer technolo...

Hudson29

Please shoot a number of pictures showing the car and bits & pieces of it such as the engine. Help really has to start with the pics.

Paul

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Yes, that would make them bolts. Probably better to just use bolts next time. While the motor was warming up at a fast idle and getting a look over for trouble, I took the 12v test light and clipped it to the magneto terminal and grounded it to the brake pedal. It lit brightly so I'm thinking the ma...

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Here is a pic of the car cooling in the garage after its test drive. The temps were in the mid 40s when I left for the drive and descended to the point where even the red in the Motormeter tried to go back into the radiator to stay warm. I had on three layers and that was not enough so I was very ha...

Hudson29

This simple "half hour" job ended up costing hours of work and weeks of delay while successive waves of parts were shipped in to fix the problem only to find fresh problems. All that time and money were wasted outside of the learning experience. The new one piece gaskets would not allow the old mani...

Hudson29

With that tag shown in the first picture I would have thought it had to be a factory radiator. How else could it be explained? Tag removed from the original and soldered onto an aftermarket replacement? Why would anyone do that?

I love a mystery!

Paul

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I think it remarkable that the wood wheels did so well unders the stress of racing in rough dirt, perhaps even better than the wires. For some reason, I expected the opposite, possibly because the wheels that came on my '23 Runabout when I bought it were so rickety. That might have set an unfair imp...

Hudson29

Thanks for the pictures and the great front row "I was there" story. It does sound like fun. What year was this that the kingpin sheared? What years were these races held?

Paul

Hudson29

What failed here? WAs it a spindle or a wheel?

Paul

Hudson29

Mark, thanks for the clarification. I knew I had no luck adjusting the tension but its good to know that just removing it will make the difference. I would like to retire the block of black foam under the dashboard knob.

Paul

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Thanks everyone, once I took a second look I could see what was happening and understand what needed to be done. No amount of clamping with the biggest channel locks I have would compress it enough to make any difference so the next step will be to remove the assembly and use the big vice. If that d...

Hudson29

The arms press on the nut and not the needle unless I'm missing something. How would that keep the needle from migrating to a new position?

I know its gotta be simple but I still don't get it.

Paul

Hudson29

How do you tighten a late carb needle? The carb is a sway back NH. The car is a '14 with the large brass disk on the other end which adjusts itself as I drive and not always the way I feel it ought to be adjusted. Lately I have been using a block of packing foam to hold it in place. The '23 also wit...

Hudson29

What does it look like if moistened? Perhap some sort of clear matte or gloss coating might mak it look the way you want it to? Does anyone know how they looked new?

My own came to me painted a gloss black that has lost it luster after so many years. It looks at home on the dash.

Paul

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Thanks guys, your descriptions and Jerry's drawing made the situation quite clear. If I had the parts on hand I could have seen at a glance how the assembly worked. This car had some very nice one piece gland/gaskets when I took it apart and so I ordered the same ones. They would not allow the manif...

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I have consulted the T-1 manual and find the manifold gasket assembly is dealt with in only two sentences that seem to indicate the copper rings go into the manifold rather than the cylinder block. I checked this site hoping for a nice exploded view of the assembly but found nothing that addresses t...

Hudson29

"This is a car driven frequently after dark, and in reality, I'm probably the only person unhappy with the look of the LEDs." You are NOT alone. I have a set of the focused LED headlights sitting on the front seat of Ole Rough & Ready just waiting to be installed. A few weeks ago when coming home fr...

Hudson29

I see what looks to be a '12 Torpedo with '13 plates which already had aftermarket electric lights. How would they have been powered? Would they be magneto lights or was some sort of electrical system added?

Paul

Hudson29

Do they make this sort of ship's clock housing in smaller sizes? I'm thinking that an ammeter in such a housing might be a good project.

Paul

Hudson29

Why brass nuts? I had a '26 Hudson Super Six that had brass nuts on the manifold but either never knew or or have forgotten why.

Paul

Hudson29

I had a try at installing the manifolds Sunday. The rear stud had come out with the nut when disassembled so I chucked it in the vice and turned the nut off. Both stud & nut had the threads chased which took plenty of oomph on the stud. Everything was scraped and cleaned with solvent on both the blo...

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As I had begun to suspect, this is not a simple matter of "bolting on horsepower." There are many other considerations which include the condition of the motor and the other equipment added. I am currently running an NH on both cars. The real problem is comparing results. I have rarely ever driven a...

Hudson29

I have one of these on the '23. It was on the car when I bought it along with a Z head. The motor ended up with a new block, new crank, some rods and an E-Timer. While it was apart I found out that it had an older Chaffin "driver" cam and I had 351 Cleveland valves installed by the fellow who set up...

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I had a try of the manifold last night. Using the old glands the 4 best fitting ones were selected. They were pressed into the manifold and all would hold pretty well. It seemed to fit into the block OK. I have been advised to get a mirror and see if it still looks good from underneath. I'll try tha...

Hudson29

A trial fit of the exhaust manifold makes good sense. I'll try that tonight with the old rings. That picture is exactly what I was half remembering. Installing the manifolds on the '23 went so smoothly that it was a breeze. The anti seize that I have is an old metal can of Permatex. I have used it f...

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Once the ignition maladies on the '14 Touring with '19 motor were cured (I hope!) the center soft or freeze plug started leaking. I have been doing a lot of flushes with vaious brews to try to get the car to run cool like the '23 does and the latest attempt was with Evaporust cooling system flush. I...

Hudson29

Thanks guys, it may not be a T part but it sure looks the part. I'll see if I can reinstall it.

Paul

Hudson29

I would not have known that either. So much for "they're all the same!"

Paul

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When I was messing with the wiring on my '14 Touring with a '19 engine, the clip shown below was on the frame holding the wires right near the generator. I got it off readily enough but have not been able to force it back on. Is it a T part?

Paul

Hudson29

Those of you who suspected that the trouble lay in the coil box were correct. Even though I was being careful, I messed it up somehow. My suspect solder job (I don't do a solder joint every decade . . .) might have been at fault or possibly it was a plastic burr under the busbar that allowed a rocki...

Hudson29

I have a project in mind that could use one of these. Has anyone got a spare to sell?

Paul

Hudson29

I have heard this too and the ones installed here were the ones removed from the old box. The seemed in good condition.

Paul

Hudson29

This picture shows what looks like a '23 but it has no cowl lights AND no demountable rims. I seem to recall that the cowl lights were standard on cars with no electrical system. Demountable rims were part of the package with the starter, generator & battery. If this is correct, why does this car ha...

Hudson29

The eighth photo down is an interesting touring car. The new style cowl with an after market hood and radiator. Gas headlamps and a Prest-O-Lite tank. The license plate appears to be a 1917 Oregon. It also has fancy hub caps & shock absorbers but the gas lights on a car that should have had electri...

Hudson29

Last night after work I reconnected the wire from the cut out and started the motor again. It ran on all four cylinders and I let it run until it was good & hot, steaming a bit and when shut off gurgling a bit. Whatever the issue is/was with the four coils in the box together is it not bothering any...

Hudson29

For those who did not follow the previous threads about this mystery, here are a few pics of the rebuilt coil box.

Paul

Hudson29

Once again, thanks to everyone for their suggestions. A couple of notes for those who were not following the previous three threads dealing with this ignition failure: 1. This car always started and ran before it failed to start a few weeks ago. I did a lot of work on it and wanted a test drive. Non...

Hudson29

The wooden coils did fit apart from the one that was stopped by the protruding screw in the No. 2 slot. I will back that screw out and see what the result is. Also, I now know of a way to test the switch to see if that screw has pushed the coils into distorting the box/switch assembly. I had never h...

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A few months ago I traded my 25 year old Dodge in for a 4 year old Ford Escape, one with only 3 cylinders. Little did I know I would soon have another 3 cylinder Ford, this time the 1914 Touring. After trying many things, going back to basics, switching things around, testing this and prodding that ...

Hudson29

More pics from the Bee.

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More pics from the Bee.

Hudson29

What is the old engine sitting next to the DB?

Hudson29

That looks like a Model T gas tank!

Hudson29

This is a very interesting home made tractor that started as a Dodge Bros. auto with some sort of worm drive rear end.

Hudson29

More pics from the Bee.

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More pics from the Bee.

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More pics from the Bee.

Hudson29

I spent two days at this event driving my '23 Runabout "Ole Rough & Ready" both days. It also participated in the tractor parade. Even in Ruckstell, the tractors are way slower! Here are some pictures showing the road into the Bee location and the threshing demonstration.

Paul

Hudson29

Every Labor Day weekend the Early Days Gas Engine & Tractor Association Chapter 21 (the Hildebrand Threshers) puts on a two day Hilbebrand Threshing Bee. It is held on a farm 20 miles east of Klamath Falls. Its a big show with folks coming from several states to display various bits of farm equipmen...

Hudson29

I remember those batteries well. I used them to heat the glow plug on model airplane engines.

Ford put the BAT terminal on the coil box as this was commonly used by owners but did not equip the cars with the battery or a location to hold it? That seems a bit odd . . .

Paul

Hudson29

Thank you all so much for your help. As you can tell, I'm out of my depth with electrical matters even though I am learning pretty quickly. I just had a long phone call from an old pal in the Orange County Club who is an electrical sort. He went over some troubleshooting basics and as some of you ha...

Hudson29

I am terribly sorry for the confusion I caused by including a picture of the firewall that was NOT taken with the wiring in test configuration. I included this picture as well as the other three for the sole purpose of checking that I had the commutator wiring installed correctly. I should have stat...

Hudson29

As far as I can see, the light switch has nothing to do with the ignition in this circuit. Power comes in from the battery to the BAT post. From there it goes inside the coil box to the switch to be connected to the bottom common copper strips that power the coils. Have I got that right? What am I m...

Hudson29

I did some work over the weekend to try to solve this ignition issue. Previously, the coil box was removed and "rewooded" with one of the plastic kits. All electric pathways were verified with the meter and found to work fine. The switch came apart and was cleaned and lubed. Once again the pathways ...

Hudson29

I could be a 9, but if so, its a poorly designed 9. The car has a generator. Too bad there is no serial number that I can make out.

No matter to the issue on this thread, do these new VRs need an ammeter to set them up? If so, how is done with no installed ammeter?

Paul

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speedytinc wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:51 pm
An 18 motor has no provision to mount a generator.

Gee, I'm not going to argue with it. There is no discernable serial number but the casting numbers sure look like it says 18. Is this wrong?

Paul

Hudson29

I think this is a very exciting project, one I have been following here on the forum. I bought one of the Fun Projects regulators years along with a very nice ammeter for my '23. The ammeter was needed for adjusting the third brush if I recall correctly. This was a set and forget installation, I nev...

Hudson29

Thank you all for your help with trying to solve this mystery. I know how to check voltage & continuity now and will run checks of the things suggested here. Further, I'll see what I can do to clean up the wiring. This may end up being a bigger project than I had in mind but a complete rewire was on...

Hudson29

Thanks Jerry, that makes sense but it was not shown in the wiring diagram. Did they come from the factory with the Hot Shot battery? Where was it located?

Paul

Hudson29

This is a hybrid car. It is basically a 1914 and would, if I understand it correctly have had no wires on the BAT post. It makes me curious why Ford spent the money to install one? Someone later installed a 1918 engine with starter & generator. Also the lights were electrified at some point. So now ...

Hudson29

Thanks Mike, sorry for the confusion, I got in a hurry telling the story. The battery was disconnected only to remove the coil box lid. It was reconnected to try the voltage at the timer terminals. I did not pay attention to which lead was grounded. I will run this test again with the black lead gro...

Hudson29

Thanks Mike fior your trouble shooting tips: "With the car setup for normal engine starting (ie spark lever fully retarded, transmission in neutral, ignition power on set to battery, etc.) Slowly hand crank the engine and listen for coil point buzz while turning the crank 2 full revolutions. Each co...

Hudson29

The E-timer requires a 4A replaceable fuse at the coil box. It is not in the timer itself. I installed the fuse under my '26 coil box at the power-in terminal. I did not do the installation on this E-Timer and have no idea if the previous owner installed such a fuse. I'm not even sure where to look...

Hudson29

Why did Ford provide a BAT terminal on the early cars with magneto only ignition? I see nothing connected to it but there must have been a reason it was installed.

Paul

Hudson29

I did the equivalent of this by using a screwdriver to short the plug wire to the cylinder head. Nothing on any of the four wires. Is pulling a plug as you suggest a more certain test? I sure do miss many things about SoCal including the Orange County Model T Club where I have so many good friends a...

Hudson29

Did you confirm that the E-timer fuse is not blown? How do I check for this? It seems unlikely that it could have caused the initial issue. I might have blown it trying to find the trouble after the car was not starting by removing the coil box lid but that was later. Blowing a fuse on the second E...

Hudson29

Yes, there is power at the BAT post, more than 6v. Before installing the coils in the box I was able to use the meter to check the pathway from the bottom strip through the switch to the MAG & BAT posts. It is an Orange County car and when running was very happy on the backroads of Klamath County. P...

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After getting everything on the coil box assembled again, the meter was used to verify connections to the switch from the MAG & BAT posts and each of the high & low tention posts to the copper contacts inside the box. All sweet. With the box installed in the car and the coils in the box it all looke...

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Here are some additional pictures

Hudson29

A couple of weeks ago I posted about a problem I'm having with my T. Its a 1914 Touring with a 1918 motor that has a starter & generator. This car ALWAYS starts until a few weeks ago when I had done a bunch of work & wanted to take a test drive. None of that work had anything to do with the motor, t...

Hudson29

I see in the first picture that the Ford script is canted at an angle like so many other cars had it at this time. Its the first time I have seen that on a Ford.

Paul

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Thanks Jerry for your advice on setting the meter. With it, I was able to test the new coil box bottom and then the switch itself. I'll keep that meter on the workbench to test the coil box build as it goes and then when ready to install test the bottom strip with the BAT & MAG posts as Steve sugges...

Hudson29

I too miss Scott's posts. He always had something worthwhile to say and was one fellow whose posts I always read.

Paul

Hudson29

Thanks also for the gasket info. The paper gasket is there and in good shape but the arced flexible one was missing & I had no idea about it. I'll see if I can get one on order.

Paul

Hudson29

Thanks for your help here. The switch is just one part of a general freshening up of the ignition system. I have a plastic wood kit that I'm currently working on and will install new ignition wires and hopefully, new wires to the timer also. Not knowing how to test the circuits I decided to take it ...

Hudson29

A couple of weeks ago I had prepared the '14 Touring for another test drive. I had done all sorts of tinkering and wanted to get another flush through the cooling system. It was completely ready to go, oil cups filled and I was looking forward to the outing. It would not start. It ALWAYS starts, but...

Hudson29

Thanks, now that I see these pictures I can see that mine are different and the earlier discussion about brake drums makes sense. I'll save the pics for future reference.

Paul

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Thanks for that, I had no idea that the rear wheels were made that way. The ones on my car do allow the Rockies but I'm not sure if it is a later large drum or the earlier small drum setup. I would love to see a picture of the Hayes rear wheel to see what was different.

Paul

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"The tire industry consolidated tire sizes and the clincher tires sizes were back then 30x3, 30x31/2 and 31x4. So as happens tire companies made market for Ford owners in later years to embrace “oversized” clincher tires for more mileage vs cost, the oversized was readily accepted then. The oversize...

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I had no idea about this. These wheels were on the car when I bought it and I thought it was supposed to look that way. I know that it has an original set of Rockies, the ones that work in reverse and that the hand brake lever makes no discernable reduction in speed or holding the car when parked. P...

Hudson29

I just checked the OD of an inflated Ward's Riverside and found it to be about the same as the Blockley. Thanks for the measurement.

Paul

Hudson29

For those of us who have Hayes wires on our cars and not heard of issues with them, what problems do they have? I have never had them off or noticed any trouble. How do you tell if they need attention?

Paul

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For Paul, i measured the spare Blockley I have, mounted on a standard 23" clincher rim. At 60 lbs pressure, the O?D of the tyre is 31 & 3/8" and the width is 4 & 1/16" Allan from down under. I just to make sure I understand, this is a 30 X 3 1/2? I was confused because I had read elsewhere that tha...

Hudson29

A friend of mine gave me a Blockley tire that had a rim cut from a bad rim. I was surprised when I compared it to a T-Driver how much smaller in diameter it was. What are the dimensions of the two tires? Is this mounted and inflated or no? I need a smaller tire to fit my carrier and had thought the...

Hudson29

Thanks Steve, I too wish for some friendly help in these sorts of situations. Like many of us who have moved to rural locations from big cities I was well aware of the compromises such a move entails. I miss the warm embrace of the Orange County Model T Club very much. The meetings & tours were alwa...

Hudson29

Yes, that's a great suggestion. In this case, the whole rubber stem looks to be broken where it joins the tube. The air hisses out more or less if the stem is bent this way or that. It hardly matters anyway as the whole wheel & tire assembly will soon be a wall hanger.

Paul

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Thanks to everyone for the ideas here. Steve & Mike your pictures were helpful. It sounds like hot wiring this Model T is not possible so I'll have to find a different way forward. The car was running happily when parked just a few weeks ago. The ignition has always been reliable in the past except ...

Hudson29

YellowTRacer wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 23, 2024 6:09 pm
Paul, my Sampsons are not what I consider badly cracked and the rubber is still plyable supple.

Ed aka #4

Your tires have truly earned the name "Samson."

Paul

Hudson29

Yes, the push-pull switch is for the lights and they do still work, I just went into the shop & tried them. I also tried extensive jiggling & switch movements from MAG to BAT & back. With the E-Timer, the motor starts & runs on BAT. I'm not sure why the previous owner installed the E-Timer, possibly...

Hudson29

Thanks for the info on the Blockly tubes. I bought a set of 4 tires & tubes from them to install on the '23 Runabout when the current Firestones have had it. The previous owner on my '14 installed new Wards Riversides with new rubber stemmed tubes. They leak. I have been kicking around the idea of r...

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I have been working to get my '14 Touring ready for a car show in a neighboring town something like 30 miles away. A lot of work has been done on the car until I was pulled away from the project by medical issues 2.5 years ago and then just never got back to it. Now its time to put it back on the fr...

Hudson29

Ed, that's pretty neat! Are your Samsons as badly cracked as mine is? Mine is very hard into the bargain, probably would not grip the road very well. It will make a great display.

Paul

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Something I don't know. It has been a couple decades since I bought new clincher tires. But several discussions about new clinchers around eight or ten years ago, a few comments were made about one particular available 30 X 3 1/2 tire being considerably smaller than all the rest. Unfortunately I do...

Hudson29

You are being too literal. The spare mounts are what we were discussing.

Paul

Hudson29

This Samson will not be used on a car. I'll hang it up someplace in the garage as a display. The inner tube with a rubber stem is shot so there is nothing lost there. Its value now is just as a piece of history. I certainly agree that cut vinyl letters would not work for this tire cover. They don't ...

Hudson29

Thanks for all the replies about this situation. I have two concerns that caused me to think about doing this. First, I wanted to use the spare tire carrier that is on this car. It is not a reproduction but like everything else on the car is original. This car was built in the 1960s by a long time T...

Hudson29

That last picture shows the Riverside JAMMED into the carrier.

Paul

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As mentioned in the Samson Tire thread, the spare hiding under the very nice tire cover was a Samson. It is a straight 30 X 3 1/2 size, not the EX size. I have in mind getting the car on the road and out to a show in a neighboring town a distance of 30 or so miles away. The '23 has a good spare & I ...

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