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Wayne Sheldon

This is an old thread but I wanted to leave a comment. Rich Eagle who posted earlier in the thread was a friend of mine and passed away in 2024 and I now own the ‘09 touring. Regardless of how much of the car is original and how many different cars the parts came from I wouldn’t be happier if it wa...

Wayne Sheldon

The problem with the Moore, and the similar Universal Gear Company two speed units? Is that most of them were made to be an underdrive, usually about a fifty percent gear reduction. Yes, they "can" be turned around, made into an overdrive. However, that results in a very steep overdrive. I did know ...

Wayne Sheldon

I often have wondered about those covers, and the timelines when wooden slat or stamped steel covers were used. I suspect which covers were used depended upon what body supplier built or finished the bodies to order. I know some of the body suppliers went back and forth between the wooden and steel ...

Wayne Sheldon

Possible that they could have been for after-market wheels for a model T. Or not.

You say "smooth" tire? Do you mean worn to treadless? Or smooth never had a tread (common on tires before 1920)? Or smooth (straight?) sided tire as in not a clincher?

Are the five lugs fixed (attached?) to the rim?

Wayne Sheldon

Having trouble with my computer AGAIN! Very frustrating! The OP is in Germany. There are some language issues, and proper answers for people here in America may not be the most practical advice for someone needing to deal with worldwide shipping two directions from Europe? I do not know, but the las...

Wayne Sheldon

Do NOT under any conditions consider using John Regan's spoke press on wood felloe wheels! Tightness is imperative to the wheel's strength and resilience. John's design is great for the more common steel felloe wheels. The depth that the end of the spoke for a steel felloe wheel is much shorter, and...

Wayne Sheldon

There were a number of radiator companies, large and small, that made replacement radiators for the model T Ford. Some made very high quality radiators, like Livingston. Some were good quality, and recognizable even today like Peerless. And more than a few lesser-known companies catered to local sal...

Wayne Sheldon

"Cut and paste" on your computer is called "cut and paste" because in past decades, cutting from a donor picture and then pasting that piece in to repair damage or a light leak was how photos were often cleaned up and restored where details and/or natural appearance was desired. Some damage also mig...

Wayne Sheldon

Before they began building exclusively for the Dodge Brothers (1920ish?), in the mid 1910s, The Graham Brothers manufactured make a truck kits to fit basically any automobile. Their advertising targeted mostly non-Fords, although they did also make kits for the model T. Their kits were mostly custom...

Wayne Sheldon

That silly bolt has been driving model T hobbyists crazy for more than seventy years. Some touring cars have it? Some touring cars don't. There were at least five different companies supplying Ford with touring car bodies for 1915 and 1916. In the later 1910s, a couple of those suppliers dropped out...

Wayne Sheldon

Photo number eight is quite interesting. A probably 1914 runabout, apparently a few years old, I "believe" the license plate is one issued new to an owner of a pre1915 automobile using the previously issued numbers. For 1916 through 1919, car owners used the same state issued plate, but changed a me...

Wayne Sheldon

The eleventh photo is very interesting to me. In part just because I have restored (one basically finished and driven for a few years before being sold, the other sadly still waiting to be finished) two 1915/'16 model Ts. That and I am just more attracted to earlier cars. Maybe a few people are tire...

Wayne Sheldon

The 13s and 14s are the pipe thread that fits a model T. I don't know nor have a reference to tell me what the Edison number 12 fits. It could be the model A size or some other (18mm?) that fits some other car. Whatever the thread size and type and whatever they fit would help to identify and get wh...

Wayne Sheldon

Mark E, I don't know whos car that is? However, it is beautiful, and from what can be seen in that photo a very right looking 1917/'18. It appears to have the proper non-demountable "rounded" felloe wheels (changed somewhere around 1918 to the "square felloe" wheels. I couldn't be sure whether the t...

Wayne Sheldon

1917 is a very special year for the model T Ford! The first year of the "black era" cars, it had many characteristics carried over from the 1915/'16 last-of-the-brass cars. There are a few details such as the gutter-less firewall, and radiator fan shroud, that are unique to the 1917 model year, some...

Wayne Sheldon

Just trying to be helpful?
From the photos, it appears he wants the deep thread on the out-side of the hub. The question I guess is, is that one with the machined speedometer gear shoulder on the inside side of the hub? The more I look at the photo, the more I am not sure what I see?

Wayne Sheldon

If you would like to have a matching set? It would help to post a couple photos of which ones you have. It may be helpful also to network with a couple other people interested in the number twelve Edison plugs as once a few people have a mixture of styles, they can swap styles around to the benefit ...

Wayne Sheldon

Does the magneto still work? Is there even a field coil even in there? Many years ago, one of the several engines I put together for the nearly dozen model Ts I have put together for my use? I would have sworn that I cleaned everything THOROUGHLY! There should not have been anything left behind anyw...

Wayne Sheldon

In the for-whatever-it-is-worth department? Some years ago, I picked up a damaged and very incomplete brass bulb for my 1915. It had been dented in in the large threaded opening, but not badly dented. I was on a tight budget, and the price was right. The dent was an easy fix, a rigged up mini-jack a...

Wayne Sheldon

It would be interesting to see what you/he has got. You're as much an expert as anyone I know of. I wonder if the column you are working with had a magneto drive above it? There were several types of those that required unusual spark linkages.

Wayne Sheldon

Numbers nine and ten both appear to be that rare few month's mid 1917 production when the earlier even folding windshield hinges were used on top of the later bolted together windshield frame and cowling brackets. Number nine is some sort of a studio shot, maybe a traveling studio, maybe at a local ...

Wayne Sheldon

A very interesting look at early steps of the new company!

Wayne Sheldon

I believe that the Roadsters and Tourings were painted black and the Coups and Sedans were painted different colors. Do not rely on the sales literature of the day. Sales literature was published by the marketing department before production began, and continued to be published with "information" t...

Wayne Sheldon

Photo number three, same car, at the same location with the same Dodge Brothers car behind it is in Tom's "Stuck" thread. More people in this shot.

Wayne Sheldon

I suggest that you check out this thread under General Discussion if you haven't already. Some good information there about this car.

https://mtfca.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=50263

Wayne Sheldon

A very good friend has a 1915 Stutz Bearcat, dark red, almost dark maroon, body, with black fenders. I love it!

Wayne Sheldon

Looking at that photo again (I love looking at that early short time sidelamp!), I notice something else interesting about the car. The paint on the car suggests that it has been around a couple years by then. The hood, which lines up with the cowl, is very fresh and shiny. I sure wish we could see ...

Wayne Sheldon

Number fourteen is very special! Notice the nice closeup of the early production 1915 oil sidelamp! It is not the earliest style sidelamp used on the early production so-called enclosed body cars. The folding top couplet was likely manufactured in very late calendar 1914 before the open body cars be...

Wayne Sheldon

I "believe" from things I have seen and read, that these units were used as original equipment on a few high end automobiles. I am particularly sure that some models of Stutz used them, although I do not know what years. I have heard that these were also sold for use on dual ignition after-market he...

Wayne Sheldon

Number eight again. That is a brass radiator hiding under that later shell!

Wayne Sheldon

I couldn't make out the state or year of the license plate. However, the smaller tag on the radiator number seems to match the larger license plate. Texas I know used such smaller tags for the front during a few years of the 1920s. I do not know when it began or ended. Maybe a clue to when the photo...

Wayne Sheldon

Picture number eight. Look closer! My first thought was a mid 1917, an early "black era" T touring car with the even folding windshield. I zoomed in for a closer look at the windshield and noticed the front fenders are the flat 1915/'16 style. It appears to have been updated using genuine later Ford...

Wayne Sheldon

TXGOAT2 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 28, 2025 11:37 am
Who was C.E. Phibbs? Doctor Phibbs, perhaps?

That wouldn't be a reference to Vincent Price? Would it?

Wayne Sheldon

Google: "Ford model a speedster gas tank argentina". Then look for a facebook post. I figured they were some sort of modern re-creation, manufactured in small numbers for a specific niche market. I can only recall a very few era photos showing such a shape gasoline tank. I suspected they were not m...

Wayne Sheldon

Spencer made fatman steering wheels for almost any car, in a variety of styles and sizes. Some folded up and above for if the car's control levers were below the steering wheel. Others, dropped down surrounding the steering column for cars with control levers above the steering wheel. Yours is a spe...

Wayne Sheldon

W Jorgensen, Yeah, there is a lot going on in that photo! Not the least of which is that it appears someone was careless in handling the roll film. The slightly angled somewhat straight washout along the bottom might have been caused by roll film not being kept tight enough and allowing light to sne...

Wayne Sheldon

I just looked more closely at the photo. The license plate is 1929 New York. Well within the time frame a lightning bolt could have been borrowed from a Marmon.

Wayne Sheldon

The lightning bolt on the T radiator is kinda cool in picture 13. Hadn’t seen that one before. Maybe kind of rare. I am not certain of it being genuine, could be some sort of after-market thing? However, Marmon automobiles for a couple years used a very similar lightning bolt on their radiators. Go...

Wayne Sheldon

Now zoom in to that photo Wayne. On the far left side of it there stands a large man in a white shirt and light colored pants. Then, on the other side of the car behind the man peering over the fender….. there’s a GHOST IMAGE of the Same large man….. Yeah, I spent some time looking at that man, bot...

Wayne Sheldon

Photo eleven is very interesting, and not necessarily immediately obvious. So, how many men does it take for a photograph? There are four men that clearly appear on both sides of the car. In addition, both sides of the car have an additional man. The right side of the car (your left) has a tall man ...

Wayne Sheldon

Just an FYI in case it may be helpful. I helped a friend many years ago do this. In his case the early engine already had a flywheel with the ring gear. So it was not necessary to pull the engine. The engine did NOT however have the field coil with a notch in it. He was getting all worked up over ha...

Wayne Sheldon

Not a master vibrator switch. It is a security key switch that covers over the late 1913 into about 1920 non-starter cars and trucks with the ignition switch mounted directly on the coil box. Those factory switches from the Ford factory used a single universal key. Anyone with a key could walk down ...

Wayne Sheldon

There is almost no difference in the front neck mounting position. There may be some variation due to heads having been milled, some variation to minor casting shifts from the factory, however, I have yet to see a significant variation based upon early low heads versus the more common high heads. Ab...

Wayne Sheldon

The car looks very good with the side curtains on it! I have had a few cars over the years that I used side curtains on them. I like driving with the side curtains on the car.

Wayne Sheldon

Wonderful photos!
I was wondering about you just a few days ago, I was hoping all was well for you over there. It is nice to see you posting here again.

The model T is looking wonderful!

Wayne Sheldon

The 1915, 1916, and early 1917 windshield frames were all riveted to the brackets attaching the windshield frame to the cowl. These all had the even folding hinges. In the mid 1917 model year, the hinges and upper frame were changed so that when the upper glass is folded all the way back and down, t...

Wayne Sheldon

I am certain that I have had and seen a lot more coil box metal bodies that did have both the switch and the reinforcement strip than I have seen ones that had had a switch but without the reinforcement strip.

Wayne Sheldon

Let me reiterate, those ridiculously high pan prices were a short time fluke, the timing of which was bad for me. Since then, because the prices had gone so high, I suspect literally hundreds of good pans have flooded the markets. Prices go too high, and many people turn loose of their stashes. Sinc...

Wayne Sheldon

Rather than write a single post way long on two different views of the tread subject (would I ever write an overly long post?)? I split this into two separate posts. My NOS replacement part story. Some years back, trying to put together my 1915 runabout, I wanted a correct 1915 pan/crankcase. I had ...

Wayne Sheldon

Along about 1921, Henry Ford hit upon a bit if hard times. He had spent a fortune on expanding and improving production facilities, some bank notes had become due (I do not recall the details?), and the postwar depression (lasted about a year) had hit temporarily reducing his sales and cash flow. Al...

Wayne Sheldon

A lot of cars in those listings are misidentified. SEVERAL 1926/'27 cars identified as anything from brass era years into the mid 1920s. I hope bidders know what they are bidding on and get what they think they are. A lot of nice basic model Ts in there as well as some very desirable models. I suspe...

Wayne Sheldon

Thank you Vern! That looks a lot better. I am still not certain about whether it might be a wide track chassis or not?
Anyone else want to speculate?

I sure like that speedster!

Wayne Sheldon

Is the speedster with the Livingstone radiator built on a wide track car running gear? Allan from down under. Which speedster with a Livingston radiator? How often do we get to ask that question? Me just being snarky. It can't be photo number two with the early Paco on a likely 1913 chassis. Note t...

Wayne Sheldon

Photo #10 - 1913 runabout is the same car as the one in photo #2 in the “Room for One More” thread ! Interesting !! Good eye! Same car, same tree, same house, same driver, the three visible valve stems in the same position. Also the Prestolite tank improperly rotated onto its side. The car appears ...

Wayne Sheldon

Those do look like Jaxon lugs and wheels. Most Chevrolet wooden spoke wheels I have seen that size also had fixed lugs on the rims. I have even had 21 inch Ford wheels drilled to accept the Chevrolet rims (drilled in both positions for the valve stem). Those may have been after-market wheels for ear...

Wayne Sheldon

. . . why they didn't buy a new TT truck chassis? . . . Maybe it’s a 1917, and the TT isn’t even a rumor yet ? Hey there Rich B! The horn button is not the early one used 1915 through most of 1917. I am not sure just when the combination horn/light switch began being put onto the cars. However, I t...

Wayne Sheldon

Photo number nine. Interesting chassis on its way to become what? Definitely a car chassis, extended about two feet, but I do not like the looks of that frame extension! It appears to be a second rear cross member cobbled onto behind the original cross member. It doesn't look very strong to me. I su...

Wayne Sheldon

Number thirteen is a 1908 model S roadster, note cowl and rumble seat.
I love it.

Wayne Sheldon

Photo number eight is a wire wheeled 1917 folding top couplet. Nice!

Wayne Sheldon

For whatever it is worth? I had one of those Fordson mag drives a long time ago. The drive gear with it seemed to fit the T's camshaft and line up okay with the mag drive. I was considering using it on a speedster I had at the time, but found a proper mag drive for it instead. I considered keeping i...

Wayne Sheldon

Photo eleven is a 1914 style touring with the 1914 style windshield. Photo number eight is a 1914 style touring car with a 1913 style windshield. The big, unanswerable question is whether the windshield is original to the car or a replacement at some point for some unknown reason.

Wayne Sheldon

just for the sake of conversation would a double wishbone have prevented the disaster? Craig. Maybe, maybe not. An added under axle wishbone would have helped stabilize the front axle somewhat. Would it have been enough? One of the heavier duty ones (like many of the modern versions) probably would...

Wayne Sheldon

That brand & design of front springs/shocks were pointed out as a factor in the fatal crash of Ken Meek. My apologies for bringing this up. I do not like sabotaging people's for sale items. However, on these style shock absorbers, it is very important to keep reminding that the fronts of these shou...

Wayne Sheldon

Added FYI. The iron hogsheads began showing up at the factory assembly lines around November of 1915. The assembly line photos of the one millionth engine early December 1915 show both aluminum and iron hogsheads going down the lines. Smooth and ribbed pedals on US built Ts were pretty consistent wi...

Wayne Sheldon

Are 16’s the same or is there a different rivet pattern? Front fenders, 1916s are the same as 1915s. The rears are different with a change made late in calendar 1915. The 1915 rears have a three rivet bracket with the rivets in a triangle pattern for the top fender iron from the body. The 1915 fend...

Wayne Sheldon

For anyone interested in these? Both of them are unusual model/style versions. Most Bauer wheels have straight spoke spiders instead of the unusual curved spokes. And the Spencer is a special version made specifically for the model T, a deep dish design meant to line the steering wheel rim close to ...

Wayne Sheldon

Black painted steel began being installed in the factories in July of 1915. Both all black and black and brass were being installed for about two months. By September 1915, all lamps were pretty much all black (except of course for glass and silvered reflectors).

Wayne Sheldon

James, Wheels for model Ts can be confusing. They changed in small ways often, and there were about ten significantly different variations from the factory over the nearly eighteen years of model T production. Then consider dozens of after-market offerings. "Demountable" is easy enough. It is short ...

Wayne Sheldon

Purely by eye, NOT exactly accurate or trustworthy, I see several that "appear" to be 30 X 3 which would be front wheels for US built non-demountable wheels. The 30 X 3 is a 24 inch rim size, measured diameter where the tire bead sits on the rim itself. This is inside the clincher rim, and easy enou...

Wayne Sheldon

RajoRacer wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 20, 2025 11:11 am
You mean "low" pedal ???

Criminy sakes! I was half asleep when I posted that!

If I had any pride, or wanted to not make a fool of myself? I would DELETE the post! Instead, I leave it here for all the world to see.

Wayne Sheldon

1919 had two style brake pedals! Starter car and non-starter car.

Wayne Sheldon

Thank you!

Wayne Sheldon

Thank you all for the comments. But I just can't be spending for parts I don't really need. All my current projects have good wheels, plus a few extras. I have a couple projects I won't live long enough to get to that I would like to get wheels for, but I cannot justify the cost at this time. It hur...

Wayne Sheldon

Are most of those non-demountable wheels? If so, I sure wish you/they were a lot closer to me. I would want the wood as well as a few rims, but cannot justify the cost of shipping for me.

Wayne Sheldon

The "F" most likely does mean Fisher Body Company, however, I seem to recall some other body supplier also began with an "F" for a very short time. I do not recall what year that may have been. The " 6 14 " is almost certainly the month and year the body was either ordered by Ford, or manufactured b...

Wayne Sheldon

When Kevlar bands were first being used for model Ts, there were a few tries made at getting a balance between a cushioning effect and harsh realities. Some of the earlier efforts were too harsh. However, I "think" most of those issues got worked out some time ago. There was also a change in manufac...

Wayne Sheldon

The SFV club was such a major force of the early MTFCA. So sad to hear of their dissolution.

Wayne Sheldon

Right and left are NOT the same. Kurt A is correct.

Wayne Sheldon

If I am not mistaken, that "threshold" is a 1911 or 1912 running board.

Wayne Sheldon

1912 was basically the only model year in which Ford offered the model T in a Ford factory supplied delivery car. However, literally hundreds of after-market coach builders offered locally built bodies for the model T all across the country and even around the world during all years of the model T. ...

Wayne Sheldon

Wonderful! I hope to see some pictures somewhere.

Wayne Sheldon

I had a 1924 coupe. As I recall, it had something similar to hold the deck lid up, but somewhat different. This may have been from some other car, or even a piece of furniture or tool box.

Wayne Sheldon

AC magneto versus DC battery timing change when starting? The DC battery is flowing and active all 360 degrees of engine rotation. The AC wave form is not. There are sixteen nulls per revolution. The length of each null depends somewhat on how strong the magneto is, however roughly, about one quarte...

Wayne Sheldon

Add me to the list of those making special size rivets from long shank bolts. Done it many times. How hard a steel bolt is best may depend upon what it is holding together and the stresses under use involved. Just some food for thought. To shape the head? After cutting the shank to the desired lengt...

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They create wear marks on steering system components, such as the spindle arm and tie rod. Over time, they can create deep grooves. I think twice I have seen front axle assemblies that had grooves worn so deeply that the tie rod broke! I had a spindle arm that was worn a quarter of the way through ...

Wayne Sheldon

Those do not actually do very much to help with the steering. Mostly, what they do is if bushings and pins are loose, they reduce the intensity of the rattles. In some cases they might help steady things a little bit.

Bonjour.

Wayne Sheldon

There is quite a bit of misinformation "out there". Some letters were sent to the dealers from the factory and sales literature published regarding "standardizing" of the cars coming up. But the simple fact is that it never happened. Open body cars continued to be offered and sold with clincher demo...

Wayne Sheldon

I would guess 1911. The rear fender appears to be wider at the front whereas the 1909 and 1910 rear fenders were parallel lengthwise. Also, the engine pan appears to have the removable cover underneath.
Neat car regardless! In spite of the people in the way.

Wayne Sheldon

They do tend to be a tight fit. Otherwise, loose connections would be causing intermittent misfiring a lot more often. I have had a few that were really tight under deep cowl speedsters that were particularly difficult. Simply grabbing them with your fingers on the point's posts is the best way, but...

Wayne Sheldon

Number thirteen is a nice 1914 runabout with after-market fenders all around. Several companies made similar fenders to upgrade the outdated style of the Ford car. Most Ford owners were too practical for them sell in large numbers, but occasionally we can see them in era photos. I have seen only a f...

Wayne Sheldon

I know several people that run a good overdrive on top of three to one rear end gears, and they love it, in speedsters and racing cars with low wind resistance and lighter weight. I would NEVER recommend a significant overdrive over three to one gears for a stock-ish full body car. For a full-body c...

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Link?
I "think" they used a special carburetor to burn kerosene and the double-back exhaust was used to heat the kerosene (or other fuel oil?) such that it would burn better in the engine.
I have seen one similar to that before.

Wayne Sheldon

Just another tidbit detail of model Ts having spot welds. The move to slowly updating the bodies and style of the model T, for 1915 Ford moved to a small cowling surrounding a smaller firewall than in previous years. Prototypes had been hand made in the summer of 1914. However, production problems s...

Wayne Sheldon

"AI" equals automated incompetence or automated idiocy. Google was always questionable in its quick answers, however, in the past year they have become laughably unreliable.
Yeah, Henry used electrical spot welding going way back.

Wayne Sheldon

One of the couplets that has been on eBay for many years was a later fixed roof removeable pillars coupe, likely a 1918 version. It was owned by a major collector in Montana that liked to "share" some of what he had by listing things on eBay at very high prices. Stan Howe personally knew the fellow,...

Wayne Sheldon

Cannot be certain without closer looks at the hood, hood sills, firewall, and radiator. However, it appears to be a 1923 roadster/runabout model T. What is special about 1923 is that for United States production (Canadian production on these details was actually before US production), 1923 was the f...

Wayne Sheldon

Bent pans are very common! But so are pans where the bushing is worn crooked. How much wear and how much crooked in what direction depends on what sort of use the hand crank has suffered from over the past hundred or so years. Fixing it properly depends upon first determining what is or is not bent ...

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They were still pretty much transportation all through the 1930s depression years, and even beyond into the 1940s through the war years. Parts and tires were readily available in most small towns and all major cities. During the war years, many middle class high schoolers coming of age got a used mo...

Wayne Sheldon

The gasoline tank should reside under/inside the driver's seat, under the small cushion. It is a sort of square/ cube shape, with a slightly slanted top. It is accessed by removing the driver's seat bottom cushion. The seat needs to be unbolted from the floor to remove or install the gasoline tank. ...

Wayne Sheldon

I find it interesting that the publication was "Hawaii Territory" and the British word "bonnet" was used as the hood over the engine. A lot of newspaper articles in that era got mixed up with automotive nomenclature. The automobile was still so new, and evolving quickly, that things like how the cyl...

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