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A fellow Model T'er got a group of us together today for a "Smiles Parade", at least that's what I'll call it. We took several Model As, my Model T (running on only two cylinders), and a smattering of other rolling iron and did a parade though the township's neighborhoods, honking our horns as we we...

There is actually a different post from the one referenced above that shows the comparison of paint products on Model T metal. I've seen and read it, and cannot find it.

The centerdoor photo is at the T H & B station in Branford, Ontario, Canada

approx location today

Photograph of a stunt performer in an automobile in the air between two embankments on North Stanton St. Three people on the road below point upward at the car. The city of El Paso TX is visible in the background. The Martin Building is in the far distance on the right side of the street. September ...

I thought selling titles was illegal?

RIP According to Facebook, Charles ED Henline passed away on February 26, 2020

According to Facebook, Charles ED Henline passed away on February 26, 2020

How much for the remaining five pounds? to 08527

I need to take a road trip....

You should watch the video he did on the 1907 Everybody's Car wheels he restored.

Here’s a tenon that I installed where it should be. The pillar had been sawn even with the sheet metal.

Also filling and reshaping a small missing piece

Your wood rear window hoop has screws? Mine had nails.

Thanks much!

My basement is a gathering of sub-assemblies. I also have both front seat platforms, the cowl former, windshield header and a kit for the roof rails/bows. At least one other piece will need to be made and that’s the rear seat stringer. I may also need to rework the front header as it has a significa...

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Here are some pictures of progress on my 22 center door sedan.

Looking for a complete set of headlights for a 1922 Ford sedan.

Gene, your attachments didn't come through. I sent you an email with my actual email address.

Rebuilding the wooden structure of my 22 center door sedan in my basement.

When it warms up, I'll start building it on its frame outside. (Still have to pick that up)

I’m not wanting to do it for a living. I just want to be able to fix mine. I’m only 52 years old; I’ve owned my T since I was 29. I’ve worked on everything from a Model T to steam locomotives, so I’m not entirely stupid.

But make no mistake, I’m just wanting to add to my knowledge set.

Some day I hope to get someone to teach me how to Babbitt my own engine, as I would like to learn before I die. Anyway, I'm perusing the Service manual, the service bulletins and the KR Wilson catalog, and all three state that heating the block before pouring the Babbitt is not necessary. The servic...

You can buy an entire kit from Classic Wood Products in Greensboro, NC. I don't know if they sell individual pieces of wood, but it won't hurt to ask. Also, when I did my touring, I contacted Fordwood and was told it would be a 9 month wait, and that was a long time ago. I have not heard anything bu...

I received this in the mail today. It only cost me $20. I think is a Model 160, but I am not sure. There are no holes in the case to mount it to my dash bracket. My dash bracket has mounting points located at 10 am, 2 pm and 6 pm. As you can see, the speedo has a removeable mounting bracket with att...

Dallas Landers wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:59 am
Reading some of the complaints on line, it sounds like another story on the dad started the business and had a steller reputation and then the son took over and it went down hill from there.

That business you refer to had TWO sons who could not meet eye to eye and the business suffered.

I have a 1922 Center Door. There was no tag present when I got it.

Just received this in the mail. All I need is a model 160 to go in it.

There is a 1909 for sale on the Hemmings website.

One of the pictures in the add shows a two pedal/two lever set-up.

However the actual car for sale has three pedals and one lever.

Whoops.

The 24-25 tourings have a steel pillar on the RH side. I bought one from someone on the forum 10 years ago and wound up not using it, and just opted for wood when I rewooded my car.

Heel panel on hold for Les

Original pair of rear sill covers. Pitted but salvageable. I would like $10 plus shipping CONUS to you. I will not have a way to ship these until late next week. I am taking a train to pick up a car I will be gone for a few days. I can get you a quote when I return and we can finalize the deal

For sale a reproduction heel panel for the front seat of a 25 touring. Suppose it would work on a roadster too. This was painted 10 years ago with an aerosol can and stored indoors in climate control It is scratched and was not primed. It has not been drilled and was never mounted in my car. I’d lik...

If 500 bucks is all it would take to buy them, then I would do it, but I dare say that's not all it would take.

The last set of plans I have from Mel Miller has a copyright date of either 2003 or 2005 on them.

I have read the comments posted after mine, with great interest, and I have nothing against the museum at all. Having worked at a LARGE transportation museum for several years, and knowing the inner workings of a museum, if these plans went into a museum, once anything is donated to a museum, you ca...

I am very good at organization and reprinting and cataloging, but the pricing would have to be insanely cheap and that would not be fair. Unless arrangement could be made to make payments to her in kind so she could benefit from the sale of the plans as well.

I am constantly logged in

Don,

Will you be retrofitting a gas tank to go under the rear seat, or take the easy way and put it under the driver's seat? In 1915, it was under the rear.

Craftsman Tools and Eastwood Restoration teamed up to build one for the 2015 Race of Gentlemen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwPb7LKqY18

None of you have convinced this guy to not buy this thing. He's still going to look at it with a chance of buying it to "learn" on.

For the love of God, just don't go. Period.

It's like the rotating rack in a dry cleaners. It revolves. Each car is on it's own "chair"

My 22 rear seat back looks like John's. It curves at the top like his and is square at the bottom. Here's showing me removing the upholstery from it.

When Henry Ford finally stepped aside, it was inevitable that President Roosevelt was either going to take it over and force Henry to resign or install his grandson as president, because by that time I seem to recall the company was loosing 10 million a month. So the call was made to remove the gran...

Edsel Ford was only 19 in 1912, so highly doubtful he had a plan for replacing the Model T then. He didn't become president of Ford until 1919. The story about the sledgehammer is fictionalized for the movie "Henry Ford: The Man and The Machine". Cliff Robertson beat a prototype with a sledgehammer....

George House wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:12 am
Beaver Built bodies from Bay City... that’s too funny.... Here’s a picture of me in the back seat of my centerdoor. Most wimmen think I look like Pierce Brosnan...

That's because that IS Pierce Brosnan

I'm running a two cylinder Model T right now. I've got nothing but spark on 3 and 4

I compared my Classic Wood touring kit to a set of Mel Miller's drawings, and it was extremely close. You are right in that he did not do any drawings for closed cars. Fordwood was indeed taken on by the children of the original founders. That was about the time I was originally sourcing a body kit....

The hearsay I have heard is Cubel's will not make a kit if they aren't in the mood to do so.

There is no other way to contact those people except by phone, post office or email. Period. Let's say you want to get a 25 touring body kit. A kit from Classic Wood Products in Greensboro, NC is $2,600 That same kit from Fordwood (Cubels) is $1,500 BUT, and here's a kicker. If you want a roof kit f...

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The wood in Joe Fellin's Centerdoor, while an ambitious restoration, was not anywhere near the caliber of Les's centerdoor wood. And that's just the opinion I formed from looking at both. I'm not degrading Joe's restoration at all, because restoring a center door is a daunting task. (i know first ha...

I have a set of 4 Wards plugs. They run like crap

I just want to thank some people who have been very helpful in my restoration of my center door. Les Schubert and Don Booth have been extremely helpful, by providing pictures and measurements of different pieces. However, there are numerous unknowns out there because of the vast number of photos I’v...

With my 22 Center door sedan, I’m drawing my own plan as needed and replicating from there.

When I did my 24-25 touting, I bought a set of Mel’s plans from someone. It was missing a page. I later bought another from his daughter. However, I didn’t cut a single piece of wood from them except as practice. I actually used them to assemble a Classic Wood Products kit I bought from Bob Bergstad...

Never never never never send money thru PayPal as a gift. You have no recourse to get your money back. Always pay Goods and Services.

All four headers...2 fronts and two rears.

Replicated the front quarter window headers for both passenger and driver sides. Pocket holes and window channel attachment holes marked.

Found this....Fluting is worn on the handle.

The rotted out oil pan was still there as of today, Friday.

One way to solve this would be for someone to offer up a totally original 1914 touring and allow scientific analysis of it's paint. And I mean a car that has never been touched.

I firmly believe when the assembly line began, there was only one color.

This is the back seat of my Touring. You can see how the stiffener is attached here. My car also had metal plates in the doors.

My touring does the same thing.

also on a 24 door, the wood is pegged, not screwed together. I screwed my for convenience

Last time I spoke to Fordwood, a body kit would take 9 months (if they decided to make one). I bought it from Bob's Antique who gets theirs from Classic Wood, and it was at my dad's house in a week and a half.

Fordwood people are notoriously difficult to get a hold of

Who is their supplier?

Classic wood products in Greensboro does doors and you can call them direct.

Popular Science Magazine volume 161 number 2 and dated August 1952. Herb Singe, who at one time was director of the NewJersey Division of the AACA, bought a partially crated 1923 coupe from Morris Chamberlain in 1950 for $100 bucks. Singe stripped the original cracked paint off and applied 20 coats ...

I don’t know when he stopped selling Ford products but I’ve seen literature from 1923 saying he sold Lincoln’s. The brochure above is from 1922. According to the article, the knock downs were $600 bucks. However in 1922, only the sedans sold anywhere near that price. The tourings and roadsters were ...

Street view

Going through the files, I came across the following information. Morris Chamberlain owned a Ford Dealership in Chester, NJ. Morris sold Model T's that were shipped to him in crates. At some point in history, he got into an argument with Henry Ford and would stop selling Fords. When Morris died in 1...

There is a third diagram that goes with those two. It's a drawing of using the low speed tube clearance gauge 24-Z2390

Steve,

It's from the January 1st, 1920 Ford Service Bulletin

A newly minted set of rocker panels for a 1922 Center Door Sedan.

Don Booth is an amazing craftsman. He didn’t have the curved corner pieces but he was able to match the curve anyway.

There is only one Anthony Santullo in NJ. If it's the right person, the town where he lives, the houses are really close together and it appears that none of them have storage buildings. Mostly housing developments. And that's assuming he lives there.

Tape or foil is wrapped in a Counter-clockwise direction, so when you turn the plug clock-wise the material stays on.

...McDonald's has a posted rule somewhere that a patron isn't supposed to be on the premises longer than 30 minutes. [/size] This is true, but in many of them, especially in small towns, the old regulars sop up coffee for hours every day. ...who takes care of Shorty when you're away? [/size] She ha...

McDonald's has a posted rule somewhere that a patron isn't supposed to be on the premises longer than 30 minutes. It's to prevent loiterers

An astute observer noticed the roof rail and header were upside down. Here’s an updated drawing.

Drawing of how I think things may go together.

I "borrowed" a picture I found on the net while researching the rear seat box for a 1922 Center Door. It shows seat belts having been installed in it. I do not know who's car it is, so I cannot give proper credit. It isn't mine.

You can get pedal extensions for the other two that resemble 26-27 pedals

the fact that they were doing crap in a car that they should not have been doing, and contributed to their own accident, I highly doubt Model Ts will EVER be affected.

How the hell are you people seeing pictures and reading descriptions? All i see is a huge black box

I'm working on a pillar right now that will attach to the rear seat box. This is a rear passenger side pillar on the 1922 Center Door. The tenon on top of the pillar had rotted off, so I cut into solid wood, epoxied it, and then glued a new tenon on. The tenon fits into a mortise on the roof rail. I...

I can't see any of the pictures. I get nothing but black in that area.

I'm coming on Friday morning. My sister in law and her husband are coming up from Virginia. My brother in Law will be riding with me to Hershey.

The doors have straights, as well as the drivers side panel. The arm rests are straight cuts with the top rounded over.

During the reconstruction of my center door, I want to replace the wood that needs it, but also put it back on the car in the exact way it was originally. This might not be entirely possible as I was missing a couple pieces of wood that were so badly damaged, they were destroyed. Using my old rocker...

"There's not a straight piece of wood on a Model T".

This statement, is of course, a fallacy. A touring has straight pieces in it. I know....I've had one disassembled down to nothing.

I found the fourth one, so now I can start rebuilding these.

The holes in the original rockers line up with the holes in these. In fact, the hole to attach the one I fixed would be located directly in the splice line (where new meets old)

I know these are important and I hope I can find the other one, because I don’t want to have to make it. They have separated from their parent wooden pieces. These are supposed to be the bottom of the door pillars on either side of the rocker panels to form the bottom door opening. As far as I can t...

I'm thinking about starting one for my Center Door, and actually linking all my previous threads to that one.

Would make it convenient for me to post in and others to find and read

I'm looking for a good, used sediment bowl for a 1922 Center Door.

Here's a question: If you have your lights on, the key off, and the battery negative disconnected....How do you have lights?

Mine has been in the exact same spot for 10 years. Sure it vibrates with the car, but that’s ok

This is the one I have. Langs owns owns it now. It used to be done by the guy named Frank who did the Anderson Timers I believe.

Langs is the only one who sells it.

https://www.modeltford.com/item/7853TEL.aspx

and there also seems to be an "ear" of wood missing that goes all the way up to the front of the metal cowl piece.

You're also missing a metal support bracket that screws to that front pillar upright to the frame rail.

I threw a rock through an oil filter on a 2005 PT Cruiser.

I was also told not to even bother trying to fix a sediment bulb that leaks or is missing a handle, just go ahead and buy a new one.

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