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by billd
Wed Mar 04, 2026 4:46 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS running board luggage racks
Replies: 0
Views: 260

FS running board luggage racks

For sale is three running board luggage racks. One short one and two tall ones. All three work as they should. The brackets on the two taller ones are just a little bit different. $60 for the short one, $80 each for the other two, plus shipping to the lower 48 for all three.The running board is NOT ...
by billd
Wed Mar 04, 2026 8:02 am
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS early top bow sockets
Replies: 2
Views: 672

Re: FS early top bow sockets

Top sockets are sold. Thanks Tom and Joe!
by billd
Mon Mar 02, 2026 10:25 am
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: WTB front fender mounting bracket 17-25
Replies: 5
Views: 346

Re: WTB front fender mounting bracket 17-25

Jack, I’ve got one and I am about an hour and a half away from you if you are interested.
by billd
Wed Feb 25, 2026 7:34 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS early top bow sockets
Replies: 2
Views: 672

Re: FS early top bow sockets

To the top
by billd
Sat Feb 21, 2026 12:39 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS early top bow sockets
Replies: 2
Views: 672

FS early top bow sockets

For sale are Top bow socket arms for a 1911-12 roadster and torpedo. They are Brass and the threads are in excellent condition. $100 plus shipping to lower 48. Best way to reach me is through text message, my number is 419-217-8884.
by billd
Fri Feb 20, 2026 7:24 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Transmission bands
Replies: 3
Views: 867

Re: Transmission bands

To the top.
by billd
Thu Feb 19, 2026 4:46 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS transmission band linings
Replies: 4
Views: 348

Re: FS transmission band linings

Both sets of Scandinavians are spoken for pending payment.
by billd
Thu Feb 19, 2026 4:19 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS transmission band linings
Replies: 4
Views: 348

Re: FS transmission band linings

The narrow linings are going to Scott pending payment.
by billd
Thu Feb 19, 2026 11:46 am
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS transmission band linings
Replies: 4
Views: 348

FS transmission band linings

I have two Scandinavian transmission band linings. One set is for 09-25 the other is for 26-27 and the one on the right I’m not sure of the name brand, it is also for 26-27. all three sets are complete with rivets. $80 each plus shipping to the lower 48. Best way to reach me is through text message ...
by billd
Tue Feb 17, 2026 5:37 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: F S transmission band linings
Replies: 3
Views: 311

Re: F S transmission band linings

26-27 linings sold pending payment.
by billd
Tue Feb 17, 2026 5:12 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: F S transmission band linings
Replies: 3
Views: 311

F S transmission band linings

For sale are two sets of Scandinavian transmission band linings with rivets. One set is for 09-25 the other set is for 26-27. $80 each plus shipping to lower 48. Best way to reach me is through text message or the forum. My number is 419-217-8884.
by billd
Mon Feb 16, 2026 10:39 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS: Early Ruckstell shift lock assemble
Replies: 10
Views: 1721

Re: FS: Early Ruckstell shift lock assemble

Sold, pending payment.
by billd
Sun Feb 15, 2026 3:27 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS: Early Ruckstell shift lock assemble
Replies: 10
Views: 1721

Re: FS: Early Ruckstell shift lock assemble

Anyone interested in this item?
by billd
Wed Feb 11, 2026 12:10 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS: Early Ruckstell shift lock assemble
Replies: 10
Views: 1721

Re: FS: Early Ruckstell shift lock assemble

To the top
by billd
Tue Feb 10, 2026 9:12 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Brass tire pumps
Replies: 9
Views: 1805

Re: Brass tire pumps

Pump number 3 sold pending payment. Thank you.
by billd
Tue Feb 10, 2026 6:29 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Transmission bands
Replies: 3
Views: 867

Re: Transmission bands

Bump to the top.
by billd
Tue Feb 10, 2026 4:29 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Brass tire pumps
Replies: 9
Views: 1805

Re: Brass tire pumps

Tire pump number 2 is sold, still one more available. Thank you.
by billd
Thu Feb 05, 2026 2:31 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS: Early Ruckstell shift lock assemble
Replies: 10
Views: 1721

Re: FS: Early Ruckstell shift lock assemble

Back to the top, please.
by billd
Wed Feb 04, 2026 3:04 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS: early side light bracket
Replies: 1
Views: 850

Re: FS: early side light bracket

Bump to the top
by billd
Mon Feb 02, 2026 7:11 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS: Early Ruckstell shift lock assemble
Replies: 10
Views: 1721

Re: FS: Early Ruckstell shift lock assemble

Bump to the top.
by billd
Mon Feb 02, 2026 6:14 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Water pump
Replies: 2
Views: 785

Re: Water pump

Water pump has been sold……Thanks!
by billd
Mon Feb 02, 2026 10:59 am
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Brass tire pumps
Replies: 9
Views: 1805

Re: Brass tire pumps

Bump to the top.
by billd
Fri Jan 30, 2026 6:01 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS:Brass headlamp
Replies: 3
Views: 730

Re: FS:Brass headlamp

Head lamp and fork has been sold.
by billd
Fri Jan 30, 2026 3:23 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS:Brass headlamp
Replies: 3
Views: 730

Re: FS:Brass headlamp

Anyone want to make me a reasonable offer on this?
by billd
Thu Jan 29, 2026 1:48 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Brass tire pumps
Replies: 9
Views: 1805

Re: Brass tire pumps

Tire pump number one is sold.
by billd
Wed Jan 28, 2026 5:35 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Brass mirror
Replies: 2
Views: 769

Re: Brass mirror

Brass Mirror has been sold
by billd
Wed Jan 28, 2026 4:44 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS:Brass headlamp
Replies: 3
Views: 730

FS:Brass headlamp

For sale is an Atwood Castle model 84 brass headlamp. Used only in early 1909, comes with the left hand headlamp fork also. The fork has good threads $175 plus shipping to lower 48. Text message is the best way to reach me, my number is 419-217-8884.
by billd
Wed Jan 28, 2026 3:41 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Brass tire pumps
Replies: 9
Views: 1805

Re: Brass tire pumps

They say Aeolus.
by billd
Wed Jan 28, 2026 9:24 am
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Brass tire pumps
Replies: 9
Views: 1805

Re: Brass tire pumps

Tire pumps are now $80.00 each plus shipping.
by billd
Wed Jan 28, 2026 9:08 am
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS: headlamp forks
Replies: 2
Views: 540

Re: FS: headlamp forks

Headlamp forks are sold.
by billd
Tue Jan 27, 2026 7:29 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: WTB: Lamp door
Replies: 2
Views: 819

Re: WTB: Lamp door

I’ve got the side light rim and lens that you are looking for. The price is $50 plus shipping. You can text me. My number is 419-217-8884.
by billd
Tue Jan 27, 2026 3:51 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Brass mirror
Replies: 2
Views: 769

Re: Brass mirror

Now $35 plus shipping.
by billd
Tue Jan 27, 2026 3:43 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS: Early Ruckstell shift lock assemble
Replies: 10
Views: 1721

Re: FS: Early Ruckstell shift lock assemble

Now $200 for the lock assembly plus shipping.
by billd
Tue Jan 27, 2026 3:39 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Water pump
Replies: 2
Views: 785

Re: Water pump

Now $75 for the water pump plus shipping.
by billd
Tue Jan 27, 2026 3:36 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Transmission bands
Replies: 3
Views: 867

Re: Transmission bands

Reduced price, $40 plus shipping.
by billd
Mon Jan 26, 2026 6:13 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Brass tire pumps
Replies: 9
Views: 1805

Re: Brass tire pumps

To the top
by billd
Sun Jan 25, 2026 2:10 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS: headlamp forks
Replies: 2
Views: 540

FS: headlamp forks

For sale, pair of 1911 through 14 headlamp forks. They are nice and straight and have good threads. $75 plus shipping to lower 48, you can reach me through the forum or by text message. My number is 419-217-8884.
by billd
Sat Jan 24, 2026 2:45 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Transmission bands
Replies: 3
Views: 867

Transmission bands

For sale are three early transmission bands without removable ears. One says Ford the other two don’t $50 plus shipping to lower 48. You can reach me through the form or by text message. My number is 419-217-8884.
by billd
Sat Jan 24, 2026 2:22 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS: early side light bracket
Replies: 1
Views: 850

FS: early side light bracket

For sale is an early left-hand side side light bracket for the 1906 through 08 N R S models. $60 plus shipping to lower 48 you can reach me through the forum or text message. My number is 419-217-8884.
by billd
Sat Jan 24, 2026 12:30 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Kingston five ball carburetor
Replies: 6
Views: 768

Re: Kingston five ball carburetor

Thanks to everyone who responded, anyone interested in it?
by billd
Sat Jan 24, 2026 11:26 am
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: WTB: 1912 top bow iron clamps?????
Replies: 13
Views: 1766

Re: WTB: 1912 top bow iron clamps?????

Good morning Mike, if you would wish to discuss the top bow clamps you can text me. My number is 419-217-8884.
by billd
Fri Jan 23, 2026 8:36 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS: early headlamp fork
Replies: 0
Views: 880

FS: early headlamp fork

I have for sale an early straight left-hand side headlamp fork. Good threads, $65 plus shipping to lower 48. You can reach me through text message or through the forum. My number is 419-217-8884.
by billd
Fri Jan 23, 2026 8:08 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: WTB: 1912 top bow iron clamps?????
Replies: 13
Views: 1766

Re: WTB: 1912 top bow iron clamps?????

Is this what you were looking for?
by billd
Thu Jan 22, 2026 10:16 am
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Kingston five ball carburetor
Replies: 6
Views: 768

Kingston five ball carburetor

Can anyone help me identify what engine and year this Kingston five ball carburetor came on? It is for sale, but I have no idea what it would be worth. You can reach me through the forum.
by billd
Wed Jan 21, 2026 7:37 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS: Early Ruckstell shift lock assemble
Replies: 10
Views: 1721

FS: Early Ruckstell shift lock assemble

I have for sale an early Hall Scott Ruckstell shift lock assembly in very good condition. $250.00 plus shipping to the lower 48. Best way to reach me is through text message, my number is 419-217-8884.
by billd
Wed Jan 21, 2026 1:21 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Water pump
Replies: 2
Views: 785

Water pump

Nims water pump. For a non-Brass Radiator car. Looks like it’s never been used. $100 plus shipping to lower 48. Best way to reach me is through text message. My number is 419-217-8884.
by billd
Wed Jan 21, 2026 12:14 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Brass mirror
Replies: 2
Views: 769

Brass mirror

One 6“ x 2 7/8 brass mirror for open car. Has one small chip in upper left-hand corner. $50 plus shipping to lower 48. Best Way to reach me is through text message. My number is 419-217-8884.
by billd
Wed Jan 21, 2026 11:25 am
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Brass tire pumps
Replies: 9
Views: 1805

Brass tire pumps

Three Brass tire pumps for restoration or as is, manufactured by Bridgeport Brass company. $100 each plus shipping to lower 48. Best Way to reach me is through text message. My number is 419-217-8884.
by billd
Fri Nov 28, 2025 6:31 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS 1911 carburetor
Replies: 4
Views: 1044

Re: FS 1911 carburetor

Which type of side light are you looking for, John Brown, E&J ???
by billd
Thu Nov 27, 2025 9:19 am
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS 1911 carburetor
Replies: 4
Views: 1044

Re: FS 1911 carburetor

Carburetor is sold. Thanks, John.
by billd
Wed Nov 26, 2025 7:47 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: E & J sidelights
Replies: 2
Views: 821

Re: E & J sidelights

Reduced price to $225 for the pair plus shipping.
by billd
Sat Nov 15, 2025 7:30 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: E & J sidelights
Replies: 2
Views: 821

Re: E & J sidelights

Reduced price to $250 for the pair.
by billd
Mon Nov 10, 2025 6:22 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Brass headlight
Replies: 1
Views: 631

Re: Brass headlight

New price, $300 plus shipping.
by billd
Thu Nov 06, 2025 8:17 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS 1911 carburetor
Replies: 4
Views: 1044

Re: FS 1911 carburetor

Bump to the top
by billd
Sun Nov 02, 2025 6:07 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Brass headlight
Replies: 1
Views: 631

Brass headlight

For sale, one 1909 Atwood Castle Brass headlight model number 84. $400 plus shipping to lower 48.Best way to reach me is through text message, my number is 419-217-8884.
by billd
Fri Oct 24, 2025 8:17 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS 1911 carburetor
Replies: 4
Views: 1044

FS 1911 carburetor

For sale 1911 Kingston, five ball carburetor, very clean reconditioned float. $1500 plus shipping to lower 48. The best way to reach me is through text message. My number is 419-217-8884.
by billd
Mon Oct 20, 2025 6:22 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: WTB 1912 side light bracket
Replies: 0
Views: 293

WTB 1912 side light bracket

I am in need of the passenger side, side light bracket for a 1912 model T touring. The one in the picture is for the driver side, I need the one on the passenger side you can reach me through text message. My number is 419-217-8884. Thanks.
by billd
Mon Oct 20, 2025 6:16 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: WTB 1912 side light bracket
Replies: 0
Views: 259

WTB 1912 side light bracket

I am in need of the passenger side, side light bracket for a 1912 model T touring. The one in the picture is the driver side, it is the passenger side that I need. Thanks.
by billd
Mon Oct 20, 2025 5:42 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: For sale. intake manifold.
Replies: 1
Views: 402

Re: For sale. intake manifold.

Intake manifold is sold……. thanks, Tom.
by billd
Sun Oct 19, 2025 3:34 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: E & J sidelights
Replies: 2
Views: 821

E & J sidelights

Nice pair of early E & J sidelights. A couple of the lenses are cracked. Both have burners in them. Would be nice on an original car or restore them. $400 for the pair plus shipping to the lower 48. Contact me through text message. My number is 419-217-8884.
by billd
Sun Oct 19, 2025 8:08 am
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: For sale. intake manifold.
Replies: 1
Views: 402

For sale. intake manifold.

For sale 1909 to early 1911 aluminum dog leg intake. $200 plus postage to the lower 48. Contact me through text message, my number is 419-217-8884. Thanks.
by billd
Wed Oct 08, 2025 2:33 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Vehicles
Topic: WTB 1914 Model T touring
Replies: 28
Views: 5248

Re: WTB 1914 Model T touring

If you don’t mind sending me your cell number, I will give you a call tonight.
by billd
Wed Oct 08, 2025 9:05 am
Forum: Classifieds - Vehicles
Topic: WTB 1914 Model T touring
Replies: 28
Views: 5248

Re: WTB 1914 Model T touring

Email sent
by billd
Sun Sep 07, 2025 7:06 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS nice original set of 1909-12 splash aprons
Replies: 3
Views: 640

Re: FS nice original set of 1909-12 splash aprons

Hi Kim, I will take the engine pans if it doesn’t work out for Ken….. thanks
by billd
Sat Aug 16, 2025 4:53 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: double hole perch
Replies: 9
Views: 2861

Re: double hole perch

Is there a right and left? And are the threads good on both of them?
by billd
Mon Aug 04, 2025 8:44 am
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: For sale Three touring car mirrors
Replies: 7
Views: 1319

Re: For sale Three touring car mirrors

The Brass mirror has been sold to Ron, pending payment. Thank you.
by billd
Fri Aug 01, 2025 8:18 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: For sale Three touring car mirrors
Replies: 7
Views: 1319

Re: For sale Three touring car mirrors

Brass mirror still for sale.
by billd
Sun Jul 27, 2025 1:20 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: For sale, one set of accessory shock absorbers
Replies: 3
Views: 827

For sale, one set of accessory shock absorbers

One set of accessory shocks. I don’t see any markings on them anywhere to tell me the name brand. I took them off my 1914 touring earlier this year, therefore an early model T with the wishbone on top of the axle. good condition, $600 plus shipping to the lower 48. The best way to reach me is by tex...
by billd
Sat Jul 26, 2025 10:29 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: For sale Three touring car mirrors
Replies: 7
Views: 1319

Re: For sale Three touring car mirrors

The round brass mirror is still available.
by billd
Sat Jul 26, 2025 3:49 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: For sale Three touring car mirrors
Replies: 7
Views: 1319

Re: For sale Three touring car mirrors

Chrome mirror has been sold
by billd
Sat Jul 26, 2025 12:58 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: For sale Three touring car mirrors
Replies: 7
Views: 1319

For sale Three touring car mirrors

For sale are three touring car mirrors, one chrome and two brass. I believe they all three are used but in good condition. The two brass ones are tarnished. $50 each plus shipping to lower 48. The best way to reach me is by text message. My number is 419-217-8884.
by billd
Sun Jul 20, 2025 2:21 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: FS early parts
Replies: 2
Views: 692

Re: FS early parts

Hi Kim, I will take the 1911 and 12 side light brackets for $30 a pair.
by billd
Wed Mar 26, 2025 7:10 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Headlights
Replies: 1
Views: 891

Re: Headlights (SOLD)

Headlights are sold.
by billd
Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:13 am
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Headlights
Replies: 1
Views: 891

Headlights

For sale: pair of headlights, new reflectors and they have a few scratches, but no dents, good threads. $250.00 plus shipping to lower 48 states. Preferred text message. My number is 419-217-8884.
by billd
Sun Mar 23, 2025 1:22 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Black and brass Side lamp
Replies: 5
Views: 4132

Re: Black and brass Side lamp

The black and brass light is sold.
by billd
Sat Mar 22, 2025 8:59 am
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Black and brass Side lamp
Replies: 5
Views: 4132

Re: Black and brass Side lamp

Any interest in this black and brass Sidelight ? Price reduced to $75 plus shipping.
by billd
Wed Feb 26, 2025 7:00 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Still-For sale 1911 carburetor
Replies: 3
Views: 5622

Re: 1911 carburetor…..Sold

Carburetor is sold
by billd
Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:04 am
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Black and brass Side lamp
Replies: 5
Views: 4132

Re: Black and brass Side lamp

Price reduced to $95 or best offer plus shipping.
by billd
Mon Feb 24, 2025 7:44 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Still-For sale 1911 carburetor
Replies: 3
Views: 5622

Re: Still-For sale 1911 carburetor

Price reduced to $1200 plus shipping.
by billd
Sun Feb 09, 2025 11:24 am
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Black and brass Side lamp
Replies: 5
Views: 4132

Re: Black and brass Side lamp

Price reduced to $135.00 plus shipping for the brass and black Side lamp.
by billd
Wed Feb 05, 2025 10:08 am
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Black and brass Side lamp
Replies: 5
Views: 4132

Black and brass Side lamp

Can anyone help me identify this black and Brass side lamp? I believe it to be a John Brown lamp. The body is all steel the rest is Brass. I believe it to be all original other than it has been repainted. I’m asking $200 or best offer, Plus shipping and I would prefer text message. My number is 419-...
by billd
Mon Feb 03, 2025 7:00 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Still-For sale 1911 carburetor
Replies: 3
Views: 5622

Re: Still-For sale 1911 carburetor

Still for sale……. is there any interest?
by billd
Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:51 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Sold Halogen bulbs for Gas headlights
Replies: 0
Views: 5546

Sold Halogen bulbs for Gas headlights

Used halogen bulbs for 1909 to 1916 Gas headlights. 55 W 12 Volt stainless steel base screws onto original burner base. $45 for the Pair plus shipping to lower 48. prefer text message to 419-217-8884
by billd
Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:21 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Sold …. Brass headlights for sale
Replies: 7
Views: 3886

Re: Reduced Price .. Brass headlights for sale

Still for sale…. reduce price to $900 or Best offer for Brass headlights plus shipping.
by billd
Wed Jan 22, 2025 4:16 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Still-For sale 1911 carburetor
Replies: 3
Views: 5622

Still-For sale 1911 carburetor

1911 Kingston six ball carburetor. The only thing I know about this carburetor is that it has been taken apart and cleaned, and has a new float installed. From what I understand, this is a rare carburetor. $1400 plus shipping And I would prefer text message. My number is 419-217-8884.
by billd
Wed Jan 22, 2025 3:47 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Sold …. Brass headlights for sale
Replies: 7
Views: 3886

Re: Reduced price ..Brass headlights for sale

Reduced price for the Brass headlights to $1200 or best offer plus shipping.
by billd
Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:17 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Sold …. Brass headlights for sale
Replies: 7
Views: 3886

Re: Brass headlights for sale

More pictures
by billd
Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:05 pm
Forum: Classifieds - Parts
Topic: Sold …. Brass headlights for sale
Replies: 7
Views: 3886

Sold …. Brass headlights for sale

Pair of E&J Brass headlights model number 66. Both are brass, one is painted black, both have the burner bases in them. One of them has the lens in yet. Both headlights have some dings and dents in them, they both have the original reflectors in them yet. $1500 for the pair. Prefer text message to 4...