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Luke…
I am quite familiar with your airplane…. 95 foot wingspan…. Mine was exactly 22 foot wider….lol
Love the Douglas….my namesake!

Cheers!

I can’t make out your plane, Luke. What did you fly?

great airplane!....A little smaller than the 737..... I flew a Pipere Navajo with a panther conversion, and a Seneca II in my corporate days.
Good times!!

For all the help that my forum chums have afforded me.... there will be several pictures and maybe a video or two!!!

If you think too brother, send me a picture of your car.... Love to see it..... My fellow 27 owner!

As a few a few folks have requested, Steve Watson finally got back to me regarding the paint he used....hope it helps!
So glad to 27 doesn't look like a John Deere tractor...lol

Nason XL 6964
Dark Highland Green

George Mills…..Indeed! Very close…..prodigious close….well done and researched Sir!

Thanks guys, I will check with Steve Watson tomorrow and I will get the “Highland Green” formulation out here for you all!

Good afternoon Forum Chums, I would like to seek your opinions….some might think this green too dark…. I know this subject has a lot of varying opinions, but I will say that I think Steve Watson, my body guy has hit a home run here in my humble opinion ….according to him, he looked at the old paint ...

Thought I’d question the experts….local add…. claim that it was never restored…. Excellent running car…. What’s it worth?….

Oh my…. sorry about that picture of your car sir. It’s what came up on the Internet….. you’re famous…. And I plagiarized….lol
Thanks for being such a good sport

That’s an excellent thought Alan…. It has a fantastic ring to it….lol

Excellent advise all…
I’ve been given some excellent information here, and will confer with my paint shop!
Sincere thanks!

Good Evening everyone and a pleasant Sunday to you all! The 1927 model T that I’ve been mechanically restoring is just off for painting…. I think I’ve come up with the color of hunter green as the original! Wondering if anyone had a paint code that would still cross match as closely as I can to the ...

Just paid out 3500 for all the black sheet metal…. The body just went into the shop today. The total is going to run me $7000.

Thanks Jerry!

Good morning Chums! I need some help to understand a concept or two……so… a tale of two camshaft re-grinds…. I had my original camshaft to re-ground to a stock 250……. and purchased a second 270 regrind from a very reputable parts supplier….. I want to say this at the outset I KNOW that the 270 grind ...

And yes Eric….used a 2 arm puller and impact wrench

Eric Barnett…..exactly….thats what I came up with…worked like a charm

Quick question….. recently got my T engine back from a Babbitt shop…. I pulled a brain cramp and neglected to tell the shop to remove the old crank gear…. getting the gear pulled was quite the project….. the crank is in the block so obviously I didn’t wanna get any heat near the front main Babbitt s...

Just sent John…Thank you!

Does anyone know if/where I can rent a KRW mag gap tool…
Many thanks and Cheers!

Ed

I’ve heard advice from people on the forum to put the model T up on jackstands for periods of extended non-use….. aside from keep the tires from getting flat spots. Does it do anything else that I am missing?

Thanks yall

Polish every connection to a sparkle……just had a Model A with your problem….the culprit?
Bad grounding to the frame!

Thanks for all the input…..food for the trouble shoot!

I’m going to ask a question that I hope isn’t so totally stupid that I could barred from the forum for life… Could a high compression head cause a starter to spin more slowly due to the increased compression and consequently work load the starter harder to spin the engine…. I am familiar with two ca...

Asking for a friend, does anyone know if you can get an aftermarket top for a 25 coil box…..or used?
Many thanks in advance

I think they remedied that by cutting the cams to conform to the 26/27 cams….and sell the longer bearing with it

I am happy to announce that I just received a Chaffin’s Garage re-ground 270 lift camshaft along with matching cam bearings. According to Dave, 30 just arrived at the store last week and so now they’re down to 29…. I went back-and-forth between waiting around endlessly for a new Stipe?…. And ended u...

Respectfully….. and I preface this to say to my way of thinking…… video is moronic….to “leverage” it to draw attention to the hobby? No folks…not interested!…..poor taste….inane! But, to each his own, and I have always respected everyone’s opinion, regardless of whether I agree with it or not! I for...

As always… thanks for all the input Chums!

Happy weekend Forum Chums! Before I list the following items, I would like to know what would be a fair price to ask…. for both me and a potential purchaser. I have one very very nice running board off of a 27 Tudor. I also have a stock 27 head that has been hot, tanked, and lightly milled. I was ab...

Awesome…thanks!

Tudor update….engine being crated up….headed to get rebabbitted…..about to tear into transmission….not doing a frame off as the car is in tremendous shape, body and frame wise for having been garaged since 1954… the underside is just short of pristine, so I just want to freshen up after cleaning…. I...

Great idea John….

I’m probably missing something really easy….. and I appreciate you guys helping out the simple minded….What’s with all the sloppy braising on the pan?…. The inside of the oil pan is pristine, so there were no pin holes….rust or anything like that that needed repair. Was that done in the factory in a...

To Scott’s point….stamping clearly visible…. it doesn’t look as though it’s
Been decked

A great question Frank….who knows if it’s been decked!

Yo Forum Chums, The engine is out of the 27 and the crankshaft has been removed….. it’s ready to be taken over to the machine shop to have the Babbitt removed and the engine block hot dipped…. Does anyone have a rough idea of how many thousands can safely be removed from the top of the block before ...

The pics did not attach first time around

What had started out to just be an engine refresh is ending up to be a complete rebuild….. but what the heck I’m having a blast…. And the engine is out of the car. I’m planning to get it up on the bench today and get the transmission separated from the block… Now that I’ve gone this far, I’m going t...

Thanks all….. I now I have some ideas for fabricating a mount for my stand!

Cheers!

Good morning Forum and Chums, I’d like to ask for your help one more time here on my 27 Tudor restoration. Initially I was just going to do an engine refresh as the engine wasn’t overly worn…..was gonna just keep the engine and trans in the car…….had wanted to get rid of two piece valves, install a ...

Thanks Dan….awesome

I think that’s beyond my ability and tools….any suggestions as to who might be able to do it if I crate it up?

I have no experience with the T trans other than the Kevlar bands I just installed…. I uploaded a video on YouTube.
Is the play excessive? Thanks in advance.

https://youtu.be/YIcRRiC7nO4

Are the broken ears common on the Iron ears….I can see the aluminum

Thanks all….. i’m feeling better about the process!

Boy, I took one look at that felt seal that came with my gasket set for the Hogshead and I am completely not impressed….. can anyone give me any guidance if there’s a better choice to use than the felt?….. has any buddy fabricated a gasket made of cork?….or a good technique for using the felt… As al...

Scott Conger….. yes, that’s a vacuum attachment that I devised…. The majority of it came from a Rigid brand attachments and adapters kit I bought at Home Depot years ago…..the last piece of the puzzle was a short length of three-quarter inch gray electrical conduit….I had to slightly ease the outsid...

Hey Art! https://www.newaymfg.com/ An absolute game changer….. no power tools….just a T wrench that I purchased with the cutters! The cutter you see in the picture is a combination 30/45° cutter…. I purchased it and an additional 60°cutter. I also bought two valve guides, one at 5/16+ 1 and the othe...

The clothes pins were used to hold my lifters in the upward most position for when I removed the cam shaft

Today’s shenanigans…thanks to Scott Conger and others who suggested the New Way Cutters!…. This old boy has lapped his last valve. And the really good news is that the cutters I bought will work on my 1939 to 1952 Ford tractors that I’m constantly rebuilding and restoring! Even if you take your time...

I thought I would share this tool that I came up with…. perhaps it’s been done I don’t know. So, in spite of all the dire warnings about not dropping things down the Hogshead during removal…. and trying to be extremely careful….. You guessed it, a washer slipped out of my hand, much to my and chagri...

Will do Scott…. I just purchased what I guess is the deluxe version of the new way cutters, almost $300 with shipping…… I guess I gotta cut out my cigars for a couple of months…lol

Thanks gentlemen….You confirmed my sentiment…. New valves it is ……cut the seats with the new way cutter…. The camshaft is being re-ground and the adjustable valves lifters are already on the bench… a few folks had said that 3 thousandths was excessive…. Thanks for talking me off the ledge…..Lmaoooooo!

Well, it’s official, my valve guides all uniformly mic out to .314 My newly purchased .312 valves actually mic out to .311, so 3 thousandths across the board! My research indicates that the rule of thumb for valve clearance between valve stem and guide to be: Intake 0.001-0.003 Exhaust 0.002-0.004 S...

Scot Conger…. Great call on the firewall clearance…… I believe it can still be done with a modified T handle on the reamer…. it would definitely be tight!…….there’s roughly 2 1/4 inches from the firewall to the center of the valve guide hole….. I guess it would depend on how much downward force you ...

Dan Hatch……good point, but I categorically don’t feel like pulling that engine out….. that being said, I might elect to do that anyway….or I might have a machinist make a jig similar to that of the eminent Scott Conger’s. I’ve always had a machinist do all the engine blocks from my antique Ford trac...

Thank you Scott….. not being a machinist is problematic…. I have no access to anything like that…..what to do…what to do!!

Good morning Forum Chums, I’m afraid my luck has run out……. Everything had been measuring out to stock size……lifters, cam bearings, cylinders, pistons, etc.. I didn’t have a small bore gauge to find the inside diameter of the valve guides….. so I ordered one and am waiting on delivery…. in the inter...

Scott, I know you are one of the Gurus

Do you have any idea what the static level is in the pan when the model T is on level ground…. how deep does the oil lay?
I’m frankly surprised there wasn’t more damage as all the other Babbits looked great!

I’m just glad I caught it when I did!

Happy Sunday forum Chums, So I got the hogs head off to 27 yesterday with minimal problems….. the bad news is, as careful as I was being one of the washers slipped out of my hands, and is buried in the bowels of the hogshead…. i’m gonna get my camera out, find it and figure out a way to get it out o...

I’m finally getting around to pulling the Hogshead today…. I hadn’t noticed it before, but I have got two pieces of iron that go from the upper portion of the engine block, where they were bolted, to the frame…… on other pictures I’ve seen of that area….they do not exist…. does anyone recall what ye...

Well, gentlemen, I want to thank everyone who took the time to post replies…… I ordered a set of standard valves, which I will try in the guides…. If the valves have slop, I will return the stock valves….. buy oversize valves and a reamer…..Scott Conger…..just ordered a telescopic small bore gauge…....

Ok….312 is new….. I just took a micrometer to my valves stems. The worst one is 308 and a half…the rest are split 309-310 So….2 to 3.5 thousandths under….how much is too much…. I’m tempted to use standard valves….. there appears to be very little side movement when I put the 310 valves into the valv...

Good morning for him Chums I know you folks already know this, but just a reminder…. Be very careful out there in the buying parts via the classified board…. I recently put out a wanted ad for running boards for my 1927 tutor, and have had no less than three fake calls… one person whose area code wa...

Looking for right side RB…..rusted through from having a battery sitting on it since 54…
If someone has a pair and they don’t want to split them up, I’ll take them both, thanks in advance
Ed 585-808-3311

Help a newbie!…..Pray tell….what is an open valve engine….

Trent and Adam….Thank you!

Adam…brilliant idea about the nickel…. even though the nickel will bring the valve up from its seat, the subsequent lift of the cam doesn’t change…
You just saved me a ton of needless ciphering…. Nicely done!

Forum Chums First, I would like to thank all the people who have responded patiently to all my questions regarding cam shafts…. your insights have all been invaluable as I try to learn more about the model T…..I am slowly getting my engine through a “refreshing”… operative term… SLOW! I spend a lot ...

Effingham Regrinding

150.00 ish
Ask for Dean….
Stock grind only

Camcraft Performance Cams

175-225 ish
Ask for Hunter
250-270 grinds

Pics to follow…..I hope!…lol

Craig…. Regarding Chaffins…. They to have no cam shafts, regrind or otherwise….. the gentleman told me that he was getting very near to starting to re-grind some Cam’s but that it it had been a while… I’ve contacted Stipe directly…. i’ve left a couple of messages, but none of my communications were ...

Thanks Lyndon….. i’m gonna call Ethington’s first thing today when they open up!

Since so many are looking for a new cam…I’ve come to a dead end…looking for another option….does anyone know of any machinists regrinding stock cams? I’d ship mine anywhere at this point!
Thanks in advance!

Evening Forum
Does anyone have a couple of numbers for a stock cam….looking for the diameter….and the top of the cam apex to the bottom of the cam circumstance…(180 degrees from the apex of the lobe) and any wear limits…..I wanna see if I my original cam is useable!
Many thanks Chums!

Forum Chums…… This is off topic….if not of interest or not allowed please remove…..two videos to follow from my bailiwick…..you folks have taught me so much about the Model T and my new venture….thought I’d share my area of a little knowledge……I love wrenching in all iterations! https://youtu.be/9O-...

Forum Chums I hope you all are having a great day! As many of you know, there are no new cam shafts to be had a present…. I’ve got two camshafts on back order right now ……a standard stock and a 270…. My primary objective is to have the most low end torque that I can have, because I’ve got a lot of h...

TX….. I had done that to the valves before posting my update….. I put a washer underneath each valve…. that being said the valves weren’t completely open all the way… i’m going to try that one again….many thanks

TX…. Prior to tearing the engine down the engine purred like a kitten, and made zero noise until I spun the number two rod Babbitt….. right now the engine is torn down for an engine refresh…. so no pistons, connecting rods, head, etc.so the noise is pronounced while hand cranking the motor. I had wa...

Hey Forum Chums https://youtu.be/b_5CyTvX9fM After eliminating valve train noise…I moved on to the cam……the generator was already out as I had just rebuilt it…..I cranked with one hand and pushed forward on the cam gear with my left hand…..well three fingers of it anyway……no noise when cranked apply...

Good evening Forum Chums

I’m trying to upload a YouTube link to the video of my 27 T…… I hope it works… good grief, I can a 122 million dollar airplane, but can’t upload a video…lol!

Here goes!

https://youtu.be/b_5CyTvX9fM

I’m doing some more sleuthing……. Again, I keep coming back to the fact that the engine was smooth running with zero noise before I shelled the number two rod bearing…. I’m afraid it’s going to be a long process of elimination…….since I intend to replace those two piece valves. The first thing I’m go...

Is there another way to upload a video here without utilizing an app like dropbox?…..

Speedytinc…., That was my attempt at some humor….lol…. from all I can tell there’s no movement at the gears.

And a lot of it!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7le00zbemyp4y ... M.mov?dl=0

I can’t figure out this noise or where it is coming from…any ideas?
Thanks and Cheers

Thank you each and everyone for all of the outstanding advice. I shall report back on completion of the mission!
Cheers, Ed

Thanks Jerry….but the punch marks are not to note position……not numbered 1234….but 2332…. it’s what I initially had thought until I saw that I didn’t have sequential numbers…..good info about honing….I was planing on doing that!

Who’s Tony….I need a cam

Brilliant Sir…..not handy to the specs right now…on the road… do you have any idea how many thousands is allowable on side clearance for the rings and the grooves?

They all say Standard clearly on top

Good Afternoon Forum Chums, Gonna ask a couple of what I hope won’t be perceived as dumb questions? In between flying my trips I’ve been doing what I term as an engine refresh on my 27 Tudor. Won’t bore you with all the numbers, but The Pistons and bores mic-ed up extremely well, nothing is out of r...

Do you still have that by chance

No Speedy!……I knew I was missing something……thanks for the clarification for the simple minded!!…lol

I have what I hope is not a stupid question….it was stated that the bands should be adjusted with the car running……I get that regarding the low speed band with the external adjustment… but one gentleman suggested that the reverse band should be adjusted in the same manner with the engine running…..f...

I’d like to thank everyone who took the time to respond…. I’ll let everybody know how it turns out…… i’m going to be putting in fresh babbited rod bearings in and lapping the valves….. i’ll be installing the bands last!
Have a great Sunday everyone!

In addition to changing my bands to Kevlar, I also suspect that I have a clogged oil line….. I was going to kill two birds with one stone. So now the question becomes, Don’t I need to remove the hogshead to get to the oil line on a 27 Tudor?….. this is my first model T project and I don’t know anoth...

Good evening Forum Chums

Going to be doing a removal and reinstall of my hogshead to install new bands….any tips on hogshead removal and reinstall would be greatly appreciated….thanks in advance!
Cheers!
Ed

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