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Wow! That's an impressive turnout of early Fords. Eleven of them. This has the makings for a national magazine article. This could include each of these cars with some back round information, etc. and individual pictures. Thank you, Paul, for posting this information.

Keith

My point in my original post above is that anyone planning an event should first consider competing events to avoid conflicts. Such conflicts can ruin the lesser event, or easily make it unsuccessful. I didn’t mean to offend , just use common sense to avoid conflicts.

Keith

The Missouri tour on September 9th to 12th, 2026 is in direct conflict with The Old Car Festival that has been held on the first weekend after Labor Day for over 50 years. It is held in Greenfield Village at The Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, MI for 1932 and older cars only and it is the only car ev...

Thanks for posting the pictures, Rod. They are great!

Keith

I had to look at this one carefully as it looks like the official Snap - On reproduction of the original. The Snap - On car is a '23 and is in the Snap - On museum at their World Headquarters here in Kenosha, WI. I consulted with Snap - On for it's purchase and restoration and have driven their car....

I haven't yet mastered posting pictures on the Forum so a friend posted these pictures for me just a few posts above. The first one is a crankshaft with the script and part number shown and towards the bottom is a logo with a T over a W, which stands for Transue Williams, a common Ford parts supplie...

To Steve and the others who mentioned it, yes these are lock ring wheels. I didn't even pay attention to that but was concentrating on the tire size and merely continued on with the split rim concept that this thread started with. You guys are right, the wheel picture she posted is a lock ring wheel...

Hi Sheila, The formula to convert your 32 x 6 tire rims to the modern size is: 32 - (6 x 2 = 12) = 20 inch rims. and these take modern 600 x 20 or 650 x 20 tires and they can be mounted on the split rims that you have. That said, you must be very careful when mounting tires on split rims as mentione...

Rob, We can hardly wait for your post tomorrow on the "Result of the race"!!!

Keith

Hi Brent, I've used both the stock acetylene generator and a Prest - O - Lite Acet. tank and like the POL tank much better. Using the stock generator I only got about 20 minutes of good light and then it gradually declined to just a glow. I liked the challenge of getting the generator to work proper...

I have a '27 Fordor (made in Oct., '26) and it has a type of gasket between the dashboard and the bottom half of the windshield. You can't see it from the outside as the windshield trim covers that area. You can see it from the inside and it looks like rubber that runs between the dashboard and the ...

Happy Birthday, Darel! You are an inspiration to us all. Will we see you on the Owatonna tour this year? Just wondering....

Keith

Same here.

Hi Ed, Count me in. I suggest approx. 3:30 to 4pm on Saturday afternoon and we meet at the same place as last year - at the far end of where the car games are held.
Cheers, Keith

Hi Rob, Thanks for the reply. I guess we'll never know for sure. I like the idea that Malcomson was a speculator, and as such goes for feast or famine. In my opinion, should have known better than to compete with Ford.

Cheers, Keith

Rob, At the August 22, 1904 BOD meeting when Malcomson moved that an order be placed with Dodge Brothers for 2,500 small cars and that motion didn't even receive a second, even though "there were historical views that Malcomson was considered to have sway over a majority or significant number of BOD...

Hi Bruce, I suggest that you contact Russ Furstnow. He wrote the book on Model T era speedometers and has a huge stock of repair parts and complete components for them. He is considered the go-to person for speedometers and questions concerning them

Keith

Mine is in also.....

Keith

I'm interested but would like to see pictures.
Thanks,
Keith

Some camshafts have the hole in end where the pin for the brush that goes all the way through the camshaft. This means that you could put the brush in 180 degrees out of the correct position. The result would be very erratic mis-firing and possible backfiring. Take the brush off and see if that hole...

That tank has the very rare correct Prest - O - Lite pressure regulator included with it. I had to buy another P O L tank just to get one of those regulators. They are a correct and desirable safety feature for the P O L tanks.

Keith

Your T club list for the US is several years out of date. There are at least 4 people on your US list that I know have died, some as long as 5 years ago. Here are a few updates: In Wisconsin the Kettle Moraine T Club contact is no longer Arlene Detrie, now it is Judy Jaeger in Campbellsport, WI, but...

Our most sincere sympathy to Geoff's entire family. May he rest in peace.

Keith and Carol Gumbinger

Thank you!!!!!

Hi Bob, Wish I could be there also. Like Larry said, I have too many T parts already, but I might come anyway depending on the date of the auction. At any rate, I hope it goes very well for you, for the auction and your future also. Best wishes,

Keith

Thanks Chris and Jeff!

A few years back, a story was related to me about which crankshafts to use as I had just broken one. In about 1923, the Ford trouble shooters employed by Ford to visit the Ford Agencies and help with their problems, began bringing back more and more reports of broken crankshafts. The cars in 1923 we...

I have a friend who had the same problem. He is 6'5" and had a 23 Roadster. Sitting in the drivers seat of that car he was all knees and elbows. Needless to say he didn't like it. I suggested that he get a '26 or '27 Tudor because the bucket seats in the front are mounted on wooden floor boards. He ...

We also thought about doing both the MTFCA and the MTFCI tours in 2025. The distance between the tours is about 1300 miles, virtually impossible to travel that far and make both tours since they are scheduled back to back. Because of this we are skipping the MTFCA tour and just going to the MTFCI To...

Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!

Keith

Our most sincere sympathy to Brian and the entire Potter family.

Bob, I am so sorry to hear of this. You have my most sincere sympathy and are in my prayers.

Keith and Carol Gumbinger

I also received my 2025 Lang's calendar and really like it and all the previous ones too. Seeing Steve Jelf's '15 Roadster in this calendar is quite deserving considering all that he and his T have been through. It's also nice to see two cars in the calendar from our Dairyland Tin Lizzies club: Rube...

Do you need a small drum or large drum Ruckstell?

Keith

I have a Ford script head gasket also. Back in the 1980's an elderly car collector friend of mine was downsizing and he gave me several used T head gaskets. After seeing this thread, I went to check these old gaskets and sure enough, one of them is Ford script. I have a small collection of somewhat ...

The MTFCA National Tour in 2025 will be in the Calgary, Alberta area, specifically in the city of Stettler, Alberta, and will be from July 13 to 18th, 2025. Stettler is about 100 miles Northeast of Calgary. For anyone interested in the Calgary Stampede, that is the week before the MTFCA tour. Hope t...

Hi Allan, I, too, am sorry to learn of your Son's issues.
That said, his artistic creations will live on for a long time and hopefully admired by many. I would invite you to post more of them, especially if they relate to Model T's.
Thank you for posting this for all to see.
Keith

My gripe about the gaslight parade is that some cars don't have any headlights lit at all, even they do have headlights on their car. Further, some cars don't have any taillights or even reflectors on the back of their car. This is especially bad in the area of the covered bridge where there aren't ...

Steve, We'll miss you at OCF. Rest up, fix the car, and we'll hope you can be there next year.

Cheers,
Keith

Hi Trent, Thanks for the info. We'll check that out before Friday Evening & in the daylight so we're familiar with it.
That sounds much better than being on the main part of the freeway.
Thanks again,
Keith

Hi Brent, Your concerns are right on. Parking has often been a problem at the OCF over the years. In the 15 years we've been at the OCF, we've parked in 5 different lots, some better than others. This is one of the worst. This lot at Rotunda is very bad as you mentioned because we have to drive on S...

I only met Rich and Joy once, but remember him as a great guy and very talented person. His paintings were so realistic that you might think they are a photo, he was that good.
He will be missed. Rest in peace my friend.

Keith

Hi Trent, That is a really nice car..... I'm surprised no one has responded yet. Well, it is so nice, and no doubt you have a copy of that original shipping document with all the correct details. That type car is the stuff that dreams are made of. If only....... Someone is going to get a great Model...

Congratulations to Kathy and Dave Tagerts!!!

Keith

You’re very welcome, Frank. It was one of those win -
Win situations. I was happy to meet with Frank and personally deliver the parts to him and in the process make a new Model T friend, all the way to Germany!

Cheers,
Keith

Hi Frank, I just send you a personal message through this Forum.

Keith

I agree with what Allan said above and many more pictures would help sell this truck. The more pictures the better. Pics from all sides, both sides of the engine, the interior, etc. taken outside in the bright sun are most helpful. Just trying to help.

Keith

We stay at The Comfort Inn in Allen Park. It's about a 3 mile drive to the OCF.

Keith

Great story, Sam! It's stories like that and the T connection in them that help make it good.

Cheers,
Keith

John Codman, I agree! The '57 Buick Caballero is one beautiful car, and they really go too!!!

Keith

Happy Birthday, Darel! We hope you have many more wonderful birthdays.
I met you at The Homecoming in Richmond a few years ago and wish you the best.

Cheers, Keith

I agree to check the u joint. I blew a u-joint a couple of years ago while on a tour. It was always quiet and never a problem. I greased it often. That day it was quiet as usual. I came to a stop sign and stopped as usual but when I pressed the low gear pedal, it didn't move and made loud grinding n...

Mike, I really would like to tour with you guys for part of the way, but complications prevent it. Best wishes to you both for a safe and enjoyable trip.
Keith

I have a pair of them and had them nickel plated. The plating job is superb, but the plater removed the rivits holding the clips and I have no way to re-rivit the clips. The clips were plated also. I don't do pictures on here, but if you send me your email, I'll email pics to you. The nickel plating...

I received my acceptance also and will be there with our '14 Touring.

Keith

Count your blessings!!! That's one of the benefits of living in a smaller community, and residents who see you and your T's around town doesn't hurt either. Really good news......

Keith

Hi Gene, I have a '27 Fordor and by the original engine number it was made in mid October, 1926. I just measured the front doors and they are 47 1/2" high at the highest point. Please note that the top of the doors taper from the front to the back and I measured the height at the highest point. I me...

I have a set of 4 round fellow wheels, 2 - 30 x 3 and 2 - 30 x 3 1/2 that I recently removed from my '14 Touring that I would sell. They include 3 tires that are older but I was driving on them ok. Price is $600.00 for the set. I can send pictures if desired. The two 30 x 3 1/2 wheels have Ford scri...

My '14 Touring had them on it when I bought it. I installed AC brakes on the rear axle and had to remove the Hasslers as their mounting interfered with the AC brakes. As for the fronts, I don't think they help much if at all. The late Jack Daron used to make the weight bearing bolt for the Hasslers ...

In the first picture I see that there's drip pans under these apparently new cars. Kind of interesting.....

Keith

Ed, Any chance that the start could be videoed so that those of us who can't be there could at least see the the send off? It sure would be nice....perhaps the next best thing to being there.

Thanks, Keith

About 10 years ago I paid $100 for a really nice 23 inch TT rim. It was really nice. Today, I wouldn't be surprised to have to pay $200 for a really nice one, maybe more.
You might find one for less if it has rust pits or needs repairs.

Keith

As Bryan said above, the originals were made of dark brown bakelite. They also had the letters PTND just below the the hole where the timer rod connects to the timer. Further, there are repos with an "S" instead of the PTND below the timer bracket rod mounting hole. These are poor quality and don't ...

Note to Allan Bennett Allan, you need a T with an Oshkosh B'Gosh box on it as shown on picture #9 above. Just sayin'......

Your friend, Keith

That's a '26 - '27 coil box, but will work on other years. This is not original for TT Trucks as they continued to use the '25 and earlier coil boxes.

Keith

I have a Reeder head on my '14 Touring and it works great. It also has great compression. I bought it in 2006, have not drilled any extra holes in it & have not had it resurfaced. This car is a hand crank only and usually starts on the 2nd or 3rd pull. When cranking it you can REALLY tell it has lot...

Glad to see you on the Forum again Steve. We're looking forward to your progress reports. Best wishes,
Keith

This picture of an early Snap-on Sales Reps Model T has been around for awhile. Back in 2008 I helped identify the year of this T for Jack Michaels, then President, Chairman of the Board of Directors and CEO of Snap - on. I wrote an article about this T and finding an early '23 Roadster to be used t...

Steve, it's good to see you getting around. And many thanks to Kim for taking the time to give you a ride in his T.

Keith

I have the correct die for chasing the threads on exhaust manifolds and will bring it along. If anyone wants the threads chased on their exhaust manifold bring it along and I'll do it right there. This is a fun event and there are usually about 40 guys there and maybe one or two women. The DTL ladie...

Steve, Glad to hear of your progress and that you're going to Calif. to be with your Brother. I certainly hope that your plan to get back home in Kansas works out.
Best wishes.....

Keith

They are called LED Micro Lights and are available from Amazon and sometimes at Walmart. They come in strings of various lengths with self contained battery packs. The shorter lengths are just right for weaving between the wheel spokes (wire or wood). The battery packs are fastened to the wheel spok...

Ricky, Congratulations!!! That sure looks like a very nice T.
Personally, I like wood wheels on the earlier T's, but it's your car.....
Keith

Hi Steve, It was good to see you back in a T again. We hope you continue to improve and soon when it's warmer again, hopefully you can get back to everything you like to do.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year too!!!
Cheers, Keith

We drive on lots of covered bridges on the Covered Bridge Tour in Rockville, IN every year. The Tour is at the end of September, just before Hershey. In some places we "Ford" the river. We visit lots of interesting places like the Wallce, IN Model T Garage, several Amish businesses and more. This is...

3 Rivers is straight South of Kalamazoo on Hwy. 131 about 25 miles.

To George House and Jerry Van I will add: "Me too!" To Scott, I appreciate all the information you post on our Forum.

Keith

Thanks for all your help on this, Robert. I'm looking forward to seeing Steve himself on the Forum again.
To Steve, Best wishes and prayers for a continued recovery.
Cheers,
Keith

This is not a big deal, but that engine number, 14,797,905, was made on March 14,1927 per Bruces' book, Model T Ford, The Car That Changed The World. Just sayin'....

Keith

Hi Allan, Yes, It would be nice to get Henrietta and Otis side by side for a photo shoot, however, considering that they are several thousand miles apart it's highly unlikely. That said, if someone is good with photo shop perhaps a perhaps a picture like this could be made. Btw, maybe it's more of a...

The truck pictured above on the Nov. - Dec. issue of The Vintage Ford was and is named "Otis", and is now owned by Bryan Ostergard in Prescott, AZ. I had the privilege of riding in it last year and it not only looks very period correct with lots of patina, but it runs great too!
Keith

Trent, You lucky dog!!!!

Keith

I have one of these brackets made by Gary on a K C Warford on my '26 Roadster Pickup, and it works great. This was installed a couple of years ago but I don't remember raising the body off the frame to install it.
Keith

Hi Steve, It's good to see you kind of up and looking sharp. We're praying for your speedy recovery to just as good as before.
Cheers and best wishes,
Keith

I recently had the short radiator hose problem on one of my T's and eventually solved it. In the process I looked in the Snyder catalog. Snyder also carries Model A parts and it looked like Model A red radiator hose sets are the same ID as for T's, but the top hose is longer. Maybe give them a call....

It would help if you posted lots of pictures, like entire exterior, interior and both sides of the engine compartment. Just trying to help....

Keith

That's wonderful news, thanks very much for the update.
Steve, If you're reading this, know that we're praying for your full recovery, I know you can do it. It's encouraging reports such as this one that make me feel that way.
Cheers, Keith

Kevin, In one of your posts above, you posted: "I wish they had a drain bung!" Our friend Stan Howe (RIP) who used to rebuild Ruckstells, used to tap a drain hole in the right side axle housing to drain the old grease / oil. I think it was a 3/8" hole & fine thread using a plug with a square head on...

It's always the first weekend after labor day. Like Dave says, you want to be there by Friday so you can be at the meet and great that evening.

Keith

Thanks for the update, even though the news is not very favorable. Steve will remain in my thoughts and prayers.

Keith

Hi Rick, Congratulations on winning the Grand Champion Award with your '12 Delivery!!!

Steve, it's really good to see you're on the computer again. We're praying for your complete recovery and then helping with your T or whatever route you take with it.

Cheers,

Keith

Thanks for sharing this with us, Rob! And thanks to Bruce Balough for videoing it for us to see. Really looking forward to the story about the "Special K"!!!.

Keith

Thanks for sharing this with us, Rob! And thanks to Bruce Balough for videoing it for us to see. Really looking forward to the story about the "Special K"!!!.

Keith

Hi Tim, I have one each of the round and rectangular TW Timers, and have enough of both kinds of the brushes now. It's interesting that Jerry Kramer will clean up the interior contacts of the outer timer shell since when there is wear and rough spots on those surfaces, they can eat up the carbon bru...

Rob, That was a wonderful thing you did for Carl. I'm sure many of us would have liked to have been there for it. Thank you for posting the video, and Thanks to Carl for all that he did over the years.

Keith

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Back to the top! Please post your name and position if you see yourself or know someone in the picture not yet identified.
BTW, Who is the lady in white with the pink top way on the left side? I think I might know who it is but don't want to embarrass someone!

Thanks,

Keith

Remembering names doesn't come easily for me. That said, Jerry Kramer (Farmer J) is 2nd from the left in the front row. Back row: Bruce Balough is 3nd from the left, George Akin is 5th from the left, Dean Yoder is 6th from the left, 10th from the left is Kevin Prus, I think, and Dave Simmering is th...

Note for Bob Cairo aka Jugster, I have 2 TW Timers and love them. One of them has the round brush and the other has the rectangular brush. They both work great.
Just my opinion and FYI.

Keith

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