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Richard, the prototype tractor HF is operating used a 1905 Ford Model B motor, Model K radiator and front axle. I believe the photo was taken at Ford’s farm, and two Model K can be seen partially tucked into the open front shed in the background.

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Thanks Kim. It’s amazing that Henry Ford kept one of his prototype tractors. Hard to believe he was experimenting with tractor/farm implements at the same time he was ramping up to become the largest auto maker in the world with introduction of the K/N/R/S and designing the Model T. He certainly did...

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From Ford News clips. This is one of many FMC production films at the National Archives. Ford began filming news shorts that were distributed to theaters around the country, beginning in 1915. Henry Ford cutting down a tree, playing with grandchild(?), plowing with tractor, and arriving at a steam e...

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Nice to hear from all of you. I first met Tim at the Early Ford Tour at Paynesville MN, preceding the New London to New Brighton tour years ago. He had his Model K and offered me a ride. Within seconds we were effortlessly cruising down the highway at 55 mph, and I said “I thought these cars weren’t...

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Wayne, Thank you. Tim was passionate about the cars, their history, and the many friends he had in the hobby. He was especially kind with youngsters, and a great ambassador for our cars with young people. I posted this video in the summer of 2018. I’m slowly rolling through old video and posting the...

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To my good friend the late Tim Kelly. Three Model K, an 09 T, 08 Silver Ghost, lot’s of great cars and incredible tour: Click on the link to see the dropbox video: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rdm9z8gegemc81v/Video%20May%2028%2C%209%2013%2023%20PM.mov?dl=0 8CAE0D60-D27C-4D5D-88FD-238115B3D5A4.jpeg B0E7...

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Another.......... 1908 Ford Model S Roadster stripped of fenders and hood: 34AC7927-30B9-4DBB-BCEA-9F8801984C0C.jpeg 63575830-B7AC-4297-8994-E8ECE78F7F93.jpeg Full article: 30BB7663-9544-4225-B4EF-08F2D02C48C8.jpeg On the same page, the Ford dealer was quick to advertise: C24F0C4B-CFC6-42FD-AF83-DE6...

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I’ve played this before, but we’re home “sheltering in place” with two octogenarians and one teenager, so time for distractions.... The 300 cubic inch racer to Chebby music last summer. Click on the link to see the video on Dropbox. If you watch it, just imagine a motor almost the size of a Chebby s...

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Thank you for posting, great pic. The photo says 1906, and the N looks to me like an earlier (06) model, with higher “shoulders” radiator and bale (bail?) handled sidelamps. If it is an 06, it’s one of only 1200 made, as Ford wasn’t able to get their N’s to market until July, with the model and fisc...

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Tim, yes, I believe that’s the 228 motor mentioned. I hope someday someone finds more drawings, to better differentiate the racers. Scott, I had not thought of the the “pipe” idea from the drawing. I believed all along that it’s either the faceplate, as tim point to above (red arrow), or the facepla...

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Jerry, “ In other words, it's a trim piece and nothing "structural".” Obviously it’s not structural. Also, it’s not sealing or containing liquid. I think it’s a faceplate/flange for either the exhaust pipe, which must exit the “dashtank””,” or part of the top of the dashtank. What I know is this is ...

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Leo, Abraham Lincoln would have been 98 years old at the time these Ford’s ran in the 24-hour race. I’m often surprised to find civil war veterans of both sides driving our early Fords and other pre-war cars. It puts things in perspective and demonstrates the ties our cars and we have with events th...

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Thanks again for all the educated guesses and ideas. The few things I know, and think I know........... It appears only the M-III had the “dashtank.” I’m still suspicious as to why this opening used wood screws, and only 4 at that, to attach it to whatever material the structure was made of. There a...

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I don’t know. I wish there was more information, but there isn’t. As a result, we are speculating. I’m only able to go with what little I know. This doesn’t appear to be a viable “nozzle” point. It is listed as M-III, a specific application. That’s why I posted it. Thanks for all your ideas, Rob

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Thanks guys. On these drawing, no signature, date or title blocks. The only identifier is the “M” and Roman numeral identifier. Having the advantage of seeing all that exist in a box at Benson Library, I know the “M-III” is the 300 cubic engine racer. You all have have great information and ideas. I...

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I’ve looked at this and looked at it for a few years. I believe this is either the top or side opening into the false tank used on one of the Ford Special racers. This “tank” is used to hide the back cylinder of a racer motor that extends through the firewall. I don’t have a photo of the other side,...

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Thanks Jason. My “theory” why Malcomson didn’t buy into Ford Manufacturing Company. Below are excerpts from Malcomson’s appeal due to a suit by Reeves Pulley Co. against he and his failed company, Aerocar. The suit was brought in 1909, and reveals much about their business arrangement. Malcomson con...

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Jason, I have a few others, but these two probably received the most attention nationally as racers, in part because their six cylinder brother set a world record in this race. Ford reported they are Model R, and the one on our left looks like it may have a flat top McCord oiler: 4A29230D-C4D5-470C-...

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Thanks guys. Books written about this period of Ford history tell us that A. Y. Malcomson “forced” Henry Ford to build the Model K, and some the Model B. Most writers also tell us that Henry Ford created Ford Manufacturing Co. for the purpose of circumventing Malcomson and depriving him of profits. ...

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Alexander Malcomson responded to the Board or Directors demand that he resign from the board: AE76DE0F-5B18-4832-9F94-2FF052FAC8F2.jpeg D72652D8-10D0-4683-B176-E2E8EF20F830.jpeg I typed alongside due to the poor copy, and highlighted what i think are interesting portions of his reply. On a related n...

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Expanding on Leo’s comments on this thread: https://www.mtfca.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11556 FMC was humming right along in the late fall of 1905. Models A, B, C and F had been financial successes. Investors had made back several times over their initial 1903 investment in dividends, and Ford ...

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Leo, I’d have to check, but I believe John Dodge was on the board from the 1903 start. Gray died and his son came on the board in the summer of 1906, near the same time Malcomson sold his shares, mostly to Henry Ford and I believe a few went to Couzens. I believe Bennet and one or two other investor...

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Thanks Dan, I’ve often wondered where the three T sold prior to Oct 1, 1908 (two T and one “Landaulet”) went, and what they looked like? We may have a photo of the “Laundaulet,” as there’s a photo of a town car with an NRS style radiator out there. Ford was showing a few reporters and dealers their ...

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Working on an article, and cleaning up a few odds and ends from THF, i thought these copies were interesting. Many historical accounts I read seem to suggest discord between the Dodges, Henry Ford and longtime équivalant of a modern Chief Financial Officer, James Couzens. I suspect at the height of ...

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Below is an article about the finish of the relay in the Elmira Gazette: 1D83FBBA-ACAB-4516-8A02-4AF5C3B2DA43.jpeg The caption below reads in part “Ford Six-cylinder...........” “Pope -Toledo and Thomas Six-cylinder Flyer, which accompanied it to the Governors Island Landing.” We now see what the ba...

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Dan, Thanks. Yes, I thought it was an Aerocar because I knew one made the Kingston to Newburgh leg of the relay. The curved front axle and kingpins worked, and radiator shape somewhat looked like the later 40 hp Aerocar. Add to that, Aerocar came out with a 1907 model year roadster that showed up in...

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Scott and all, I’ll be darned! Sometimes a person (me) is so confident they try to make a square peg fit in a round hole, even when they can see it won’t fit. I smugly was confident I knew what the other car was, and who was driving. I think Scott nailed it. I’ll explain my thinking, and then my “co...

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Russ, I suspect the “big” racers were started by pushing. I have a photo of the 1100 cu in Ford six racer, with Henry Ford driving, being started by push start. I know from starting it that a 400 plus cu in motor is a load to ignite. The Blitzen Benz and big motors of the period had compression rele...

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Thanks guys. According to an article on “The Old Motor,” the Thomas Flyer Six had a 750 cubic inch motor. I just don’t think it’s profile would have been so low and small in comparison to a 405 cubic inch Ford Six. From the “The Old Motor:” 1F26B696-8DEB-4893-9117-2D7B33855EFD.jpeg “The E.R. Thomas ...

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Thanks Scott. The radiators do look the same. However, I don’t believe the car is nearly as long, although it’s hard to tell. I believe I know who one of the men is, and that makes me think it may be a prototype of an automaker Henry Ford knew well in 1906. I’m off to run some errands, and will get ...

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While at the Detroit Public Library last week, I came across this unlabeled photo. The car on the left is a 1906 Ford Model K. The first 06 K’s had an upright crank holder, and this one is stripped of fenders. I couldn’t tell what the car on the right was, nor what the banner on the Ford reads. Last...

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The “Automobile Cab Company” raised capital for the purchase and operation of 200 Model B Fords. Had this happened, I suspect our opinion of the model, both here and in England, would have changed dramatically: C4D20AAD-6826-42CD-8BC9-5CBBD45E4B8D.jpeg However, the calandre was working against Centr...

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Dan, i don’t know regarding B similarities with the copper jacketed Cadillac motor. Maybe Kim will weigh in if he’d reading along, since he’s been “in the guts” of the B motor. An interesting side note regarding Model B are the chassis sent to London and fitted for taxi work. Below, 12 Model B taxim...

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A few period pics of Model B. Production at Piquette: B9078248-4495-4A3B-9E29-77DE5F7471A7.jpeg Henry Ford riding. I believe Clara and James Cousins are in the back: 2EDFC901-3D32-4D25-90C4-26CAB0268CB4.jpeg 60712CCA-8C91-4975-8D3B-436B17D6BED9.jpeg 215007AE-D36F-43C4-A289-48AE839BA97C.jpeg

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Thanks Tim. That’s a great story of recovering #1. I saw it at the AACA museum once. Great car.

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Almost labeled this, “Model B - things I know, things I think I know, and things I don’t know. As Kim brings one of the earliest and most complete Model B left back to life, we’ve had a chance to see his work, and enjoy bringing this significant Ford out in the light. Since there’s no Chickasha comi...

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Jason, I believe this is one of the first Ford “Special” racers. Below is one of the stories about the race that appeared in newspapers and magazines around the country. It was one of Ford’s first speed contests since 1908 (not 1907, as most historians write, because Frank Kulick did track race a Mo...

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Leo, good picks showing the progression of Ford’s racers. Thank you for posting them. Below the progression between the first, and second (of three) six cylinder racers is shown. The first shows Henry Ford at the wheel of the first Ford Six racer on the sand at Ormond Beach, FL , early 1905. Longtim...

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Back home from Detroit. Motor Age had an article about the Cape May races that included the following photos, allowing identification of the photos above (they’ll be posted to the Detroit Public Library digital collection for online viewing): 83A0BC6D-BCF9-451D-A53C-D5CAD438ACEC.jpeg 3B73B828-0F37-4...

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I’m sorry to hear that. I was there yesterday and no one said anything. Hope the pandemic is brought under control sooner rather than later.

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Before getting on the road this morning: A. L. Campbell with his 80 hp Darracq and Louis Chevrolet driving his 120 hp Fiat were faster than Ford at this meet. The fastest official speed was Campbell with 94.74 mph. Ford’s best came in at 90.45 mph. If one looks at the stock cars speeds, these speeds...

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Finished three days at The Henry Ford and Detroit Public Library’s today. It was kind of a grab bag as it always is when looking for archival “treasures.” I came across photos from Ford’s Cape May competition in August, 1905. This was Ford’s second of three iterations of the six cylinder racer. The ...

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Thanks guys. Walter, great find. These and three other will be scanned into the digital Detroit Library collection and available online. I’ll post a link when they are online.

I wonder why right hand drive?

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That’s great!

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I came across these in un cataloged photos at the Detroit Library. They will be digitalized along with a few other pics of the same cars. Initially I thought the negative was reversed, but both front and rear view show right hand drive and the store advertising print isn't’ reversed? Notice the cust...

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Great thread! Thank you Kim and FJ for the updates.

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Winton will return to Grosse Point track and set more records in November of 1901. Henry Ford is present as an official timer, but for an unknown reason doesn’t run “Sweepstakes.” In mid November, Ford issues the world speed record holder Henri Fournier this challenge: 16760BF6-A057-43CA-8718-975179...

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Thanks Kieth, continuing on. About a third of the way down this page is the headline “Cooper’s Last Appearance,” referring to Tom Cooper. As we know now, it wouldn’t be Cooper’s last appearance on a track. He would consign Henry Ford to build two great racers that would beat the world, one with Barn...

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Most of us have read or heard of Henry Ford’s first racer, “Sweepstakes,” and how beating Alexander Winton’s racer put the “Ford” name on the map. As with much of early Ford history, I was skeptical, and while preparing for a few future articles (to appear in a magazine near you 8-) ) decided to loo...

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Dave, I thought he had a problem (Winton) but still finished. I do remember reading period articles, and I don’t believe the Ford beating Winton in one event was the feature race. I’ll look for the article.

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Chris, not sure what race or event you’re referring to. The only time I’m aware of a Ford Motor Company Model K competing with the 60 hp Thomas Flyer was in the June 21-22 1907 twenty-four hour race at Detroit. The Ford set a new 24 hour world record for miles on a 1 mile circular dirt track, averag...

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I’ve used Hagerty several years. I had my first and only (knock on wood) claim last year. They sent an adjuster out within the week, and followed with a check for the estimate, telling me if repairs were more, give them a call to reopen the claim. Turns out they slightly overpaid the costs. My premi...

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The only time I’m aware of a Ford Six (Model K) facing a Thomas Flyer on the track occurred when Ford set the world 24 hour record in June, 1907, beating a 60 hp Thomas Flyer and Pope-Toledo among others at the Michigan State Fairground track. However, in this instance on Labor Day, 1907, the Ford i...

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Leo, my pleasure as always, thank you. Walter, interesting information. The second home still looks very nice, and one site had a value of about 500K on it (2010 value). It’s often interesting to see where the people who owned our cars lived, and imagine the owners, cars and homes as they appeared “...

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That’s gorgeous. Congratulations.

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Edward DuMee purchases one of the first Model T, according to this article, making his 8th Ford model purchase. He may have been the first “alphabet Ford” owner, long before collectors would do the same: A5DFC6A5-0A14-410C-8B9C-D741EC1E744F.jpeg The next record I found of E. J. DuMee and automobiles...

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Walter, that’s why I don’t leave on extended trips abroad....... :D Dave, I couldn’t find their home either. It appears the street numbering system may have changed in that part of town, or the area may now be Overbrook Park? However, in 1910, the duMee’s Bought a new house: ACC01220-22D8-4490-AF2D-...

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In June of 1908, Edward DuMee’s Model K joins 81 other vehicles giving rides on Orphans Day in Philadelphia. The other Ford is a six cylinder donated by L. C. Block, the Ford Philadelphia branch manager. Packards far and away lead in numbers: 601AF7AB-6994-4A15-B06F-80F7DF7A1520.jpeg Then, in mid an...

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As it turns out, while the Du Mee’s were away from Philadelphia, they had “guests” in August and September of 1907. You just can’t make this stuff up............. part 1: BD4F8068-C61E-4563-858D-AA504FF340C8.jpeg Part 2, Edward DuMee returns home, and catches the thieves “in the act:” CC3C341D-0436-...

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On to 1907. This is where I came across du Mee, while searching “Ford six cylinder.” As of September, 1907, E. J. DuMee and wife are touring through New York State and Pennsylvania: EA176CF4-B2EB-4139-944A-43292AEB61E7.jpeg And we learn they are touring with their “Ford six cylinder;” F658BC7D-5DB4-...

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Edward J. Du Mee was a wealthy cotton merchant in Philadelphia at the turn of the last century. 3E5778FD-DCFF-4572-95A0-B126537AF1B9.jpeg The du Mee’s, as other wealthy Philadelphians, had a full compliment of in home domestic staff, and apparently had difficulty retaining help: D9A03688-1F98-4919-A...

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There was a “Tanner Bros.” Ford dealer in Granite, OK, about 90 miles west of Chickasha. It looks like they were a garage for a few years, then picked up a Ford dealership in 1921 or 22:

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Jason, safe travels. Another Ford to look for while you’re there:

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Thanks guys. Bill, not sure how property values and early car values equate today vs. “the day.” We know the Model K, as with most cars throughout time, get to a point where they are worth virtually nothing, while home values continue a steady increase over time. I was surprised at the valuation of ...

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As time marches on, we see the Bultman Model K evolve. Henry licenses the Ford again in early and late 1912. By now the Ford six is getting “up there” in years: 60D96693-1B78-4197-AA28-962551EA6076.jpeg While we don’t have a timeline for the photos, changes are made to the car over the years. An add...

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Back to the Bultman Model K. We know Henry registered his Ford Six because Brooklyn Life listed registered cars by license plate number, May 23rd, 1908: D7D5EB0E-A5A5-4B01-B1FD-F7960DCA848A.jpeg What we know now is Henry evidently had just purchased his Model K, and like many Ford Six owners, couldn...

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Thanks Leo. I ended up going down a rabbit hole on this one. Sometimes it’s hard to find anything, and other times theres so much it’s difficult to know what to leave on the cutting room floor. Hope this doesn’t get too boring. I couldn’t find evidence of Henry Bultman having a car before his 1908 F...

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Jem, yes, although I don’t subscribe to the “J” designation. I do believe the motor was built in late 1906 or early 1907, as Henry Ford mentioned a light six coming into production by early 1907. For anyone interested, this important “Neanderthal” or early Ford history has re-located to Canada. I ex...

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Thank you Michael. Below is a link to the article, along with the cover photo and centerfold. West Peterson did a phenomenal job with his photography. Click on the link below to read the article in Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/92f1cuz799z63un/AACA%20%E2%80%9CK%E2%80%9D%20Article.pages?dl=0 788...

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Looking into this Model K roadster, I had two good clues to work from, the New York license plate and this: 4A068908-CF8A-44D5-AF2B-1182CB085582.jpeg An initial monogram. This is what I found. Henry D. Bultman licensed this Ford in 1908, and again in 1910, matching the monogram, “HDB.” 3341F429-7598...

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Dave, i agree, great period outfits. Julie learned pretty quickly it’s difficult to keep a big hat like the one who woman in wearing on at speed. Chris, I wonder if New Jersey required two plates, and New York didn’t? I read one period article while researching this story that mentioned a tour that ...

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Perry, all you have to do is close your eyes, and listen............... It’s hard to imagine the excitement that must have been these early road events like the Vanderbilt Cup. Five more photos of the same car, but I don’t believe from the same trip: 6197A9A9-24C0-4D13-AA03-93BC1B9E5368.jpeg CDFCDD5...

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Keith, my pleasure. Stopped in a small town along the way. The owners monogrammed brass initials are on the radiator front: 1786EFDA-2EE6-4491-9B51-7322DBF3BF25.jpeg At the ferry. 1BCEAE79-04AD-49A9-AB59-6A5778B95255.jpeg C8D5EB26-E367-4A34-9AC7-FB3D41A6741B.jpeg The back of the Ford as it waits to ...

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At least three Model K Ford owners attended the 1908 Vanderbilt Cup race held on Long Island. This is a photo story of one of them. Copies of the photos below were mailed to me after a gentleman read the story of our Model K in the AACA magazine a few months ago. A little “detective” work helped me ...

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Henry Ford and Ford Motor Company were in a similar situation as they had been in in 1906 when he re-entered racing after a brief absence. Henry Ford had been a leading speed merchant, creating some of the fastest cars in the world (including the fastest in the world for a moment with 999). Meanwhil...

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Ken, That seems to be a jumbled mass of humanity and machinery. There’s a car pointed toward the camera, and I think several cars in the mass. There’s no room for another number on the fuel tank, so my guess is ti’s the #9 Staver, sandwiched between the Cases, driven by Monckmeier. But just a guess....

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Wayne, i appreciate your thoughts and information. I find this takes me back to my old “investigator” days, except now no ones going to jail once we learn the truth. Anyway, this “sleuthing” obviously suits me well. The cars with teeth were Case. It is interesting how rudimentary some of the cars ar...

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Howard, thank you. I greatly enjoy sorting out these Ford mysteries from the past. Wayne, I went looking for pics of the “cowled” Abbott, and found this on the “Chicago Digital Collections” link (all rights apply). Link: https://explore.chicagocollections.org/records/?f1-institutions=Chicago%20Histo...

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Thanks Wayne, my pleasure. Possibly the seat and steering wheel are just out of view? The Abbott across from it has no seat back and the steering column is short and swept pretty low.

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The other thread became long and deep in the weeds, so I’m putting this high resolution photo, courtesy of THF all rights apply, up. I sent off for it last week and they emailed it today. With car numbers we know several specifics of the other racers. In the left front to the rear of the big Ford ra...

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I’ll try to cover a few points Ken made. Ken wrote: “In the case of a Ford Motor Company Model T, it doesn't even have to be 176.7 cubic inch displacement engine! A displacement of 170 cubic inches would be OK.” It looks as if smaller piston displacements were allowed, certainly no allowance for lar...

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Below are a cutoff of the #12 racer, one of two sent by Ford to the Mardi Gras races. Both racers ran in, and won, their Class C (non-stock) divisions. One other local Model T was entered in the races, as a stock T chassis (Class B) racer. The #12 lower crankcase/pan/transmission cover are different...

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Ken, I’ll get back to this later, but the cars ran in C Class. Had they been stock, they would have competed in A or B classes. Furthermore, no stock T would have put the times up, nor won against the competition did. In several , but unfortunately not all, the displacement or bore and stroke were l...

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As I’ve tried to sort out the Ford special racers, 1910 - 1912, these are things I’ve learned, and things I think I’ve learned. Several forum members have been extremely helpful and I appreciate their input. Thank you to Ken P. for the photo below. I’m trying to find a higher resolution photo, and w...

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Sharpening my pencil a bit........... Ford did compete in a few road races with stock chassis. One example was the 1911 Elgin road race. Several classes raced, and the stock Ford completed in the 161-230 class. The course was about 8 1/2 miles long. Only three cars competed in the class, two Abbott ...

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These were not “stock” chassis. The cars sent to the Mardi Gras “Carnival of Speed” were not stock chassis. They were capable of 80 mph on the straightaways, and no stock chassis, regardless of gearing, would be capable of those speeds, and certainly not at speed. Ford, just as Buick, National and o...

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Thanks Ken. I’ll have to agree to disagree on the 49 car being stock. I think a writer assumed it was, and used standard specs to populate the article. In the pre-meet numbering the car was listed as a 226 cu in racer. Lastly, the time the 49 car makes is simply too fast for a stock Model T. It’s cl...

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Boy, you guys make me work hard............. Actually, this thread has motivated me to try to pin down some things. Here are things I know, and things I think I know. The pic that started this, and definitely the photo showing Kulick sitting with another fellow in his racer in town, is the large 389...

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For anyone interested, many of the photos above, along with articles that appeared an “Motor Age” and “Autombile Topics” about the 1911 Algonquin Hill Climb are included in this link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/uctdolxptys6b1x/Motor%20Age%2C%20Auto%20Topic%20Algonquin%201911%20and%20more.pages?dl=0 A...

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Ken, I think there was only one 389 racer. A few days later all three racers, the 226, 300 and 389 were taken to Hawthorne (Chicago) to race (the 300 was not at Algonquin). As I mentioned above, the cars were renumbered when racing in different classifications. I’ll post the entire article link in a...

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Thank you Leo. This forum helps motivate me to get to the bottom of some of these “mysteries.” A little more regarding the question of stock T motor specs listed in the non-stock class. Had this been a stock chassis, it would have been forced to run in the “Class B - stock chassis, 161-230 cu in cla...

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Ken, I’ve “puzzled” over this hill climb for some time. I think the writer of one of the the magazines “got it wrong.” Some reports say it’s a stock T driven by Gruener. Other’s say it’s the 228 cu in. driven by Kulick. I think part of the trouble is that there were 5 “Model T’s” participating in th...

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Found this. This may be the same location, before the other cars have arrived (or after they left). The caption reads “Algonquin 1911.” The over the axle brake rod is evident, as well as right side speedometer gears and cable. If this is the large motor Ford, the frame hasn’t been lowered as it will...

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Dan, If this is the “big” Ford Special at Algonquin, I don’t think Ford had fully taken it to the final V nose version that’s at THF today (off display, unfortunately). The racer specs list it as a 389 cu. in. motor, and I’m not sure the frame was lowered yet, as it is on the last version. I agree, ...

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Thanks Dan. The big gas tank was throwing me. I have another photo showing Frank Kulick driving a Ford up Algonquin (1911) with a much smaller tank. It also looks closer to a stock size motor from the side view. However, maybe he was driving the other smaller Ford (driven by Gruener in the Hill Clim...

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Could this be an upper rear view of a Model T? If so, I think it’s the larger Ford special that ran in the 1911 Algonquin Hill Climb. The back pumpkin, although larger, looks similar to a Ford, and it appears to have a single rear spring with the frame spring “hump.” It looks like a left hand drive,...

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That’s pretty! Almost hate to put these carbs on a motor and get them “dirty.” Waiting for pistons to get our racer back on the road. I can’t wait to try the carb you built.

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Very nice Rich! Thank you.

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