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TWO-MAN TOP. Good grief.

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The one man top uses adjustable two piece straps made from black cotton webbing, just like Erik's photo shows. Cotton began to replace leather late in 1914 but leather was still used on some cars well into 1916. By the time of the "black era" rectangular top sockets in 1917 leather top straps were a...

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I have exactly the same tool that Ed shows. I will never install a hogshead without it! Once you have the band ears tied together with the plastic ties and the springs compressed with the tool, the hogshead just drops right into place. Easy peasy.

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Hoping that, perhaps, someone will pick up the torch and keep it going, as has apparently happened with Chickasha

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Notice how, in these and other original photos of '12s, they all have the fore doors attached. Interesting.

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Back up to the top.

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When my late Dad brought his unrestored original '23 Canadian coupe over the border in '05, the only border delay was answering the US Customs' agents questions about the cool car! The trouble came when he tried to license it. Everyone in the DMV whose job it was to know the answers to Dad's questio...

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Mike, are you going to Chickasha? I have one (on a complete new wheel) I can bring that I would part with reasonably.

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The original Kingston coilbox wire was solid copper insulated with silk and, later, cotton. That light wrapping allowed a slightly heavier gauge wire to be used. Your doorbell wire is probably OK; the (primary) current it will carry is pretty low.

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I'm wondering if one of the big vendors will order a consignment of these. That would probably bring the shipping cost per tire down a little.

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At the current exchange rate, that's $250.53 U$D. I'm sure that for good quality, most T owners would spring for that.

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The photos below show the coils and their stencils, beginning with the first and ending with the last. The early "offset" coils, with one thick side, were used in 1911 and possibly late '10. The thick side was made that way so as to accommodate the mortise and tenon used early on, after the contact ...

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I have two original aluminum timers, plus an original early Ford script cast iron timer. The iron timer (pictured), and one of the aluminum timers, have the same manhole style oiler. The second aluminum timer has an original brass twist style oiler, same as used on the chassis. I don't know if it's ...

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That's a late '10-'13 Kingston box.

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OK; the run of 100 sets of new Grade 5 hub bolt nuts has sold out. Thanks MTFCA and everyone! If there is enough interest I could do another one but probably won't get to it until several weeks after Chickasha.

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Yep; you are right. I have built coils for both cars over the years and should have kept them straight. Or at least not have been too lazy to get up and check the tag on a Heinze box that I have on my coil shelves.

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Thank you once again for doing that for me, Dan. Much appreciated! If your memory is like mine, you won't remember the points as being the same as the ones in the OP's photo, but they are. Those same points were used on the one cylinder Brush coils and the '09 Hudson (or maybe it was the '09 Cadilla...

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That is a T-4256 Jacobson-Brandow coil unit that was used on the 1910 Model T. They were a good coil when new, and are good coils today after being properly rebuilt, but a major design flaw was locating that primary contact spike so close to the high tension terminal and the condenser. The rosin ori...

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You can install a later, starter type field coil in a '13 with its original narrow nose pan if you use the later flywheel and magnets as well. It can even have the starter ring gear if you want to put it in. That's what I did on my '14 one day when Original Smith wasn't looking :lol: but he has sinc...

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Sorry; I meant email.

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Jim, I sent you a PM.

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I think you may be asking about Pratt & Lambert's Cherry Bark. That has been discontinued. I used it on my own '14 dash. At least one other poster here (besides me

) bought all the remaining stock at his local store so it's still out there.

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The ball was forged steel, integral with two short studs that were riveted and brazed into the ends of the tubing.

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I have the correct ones. #9 x 7/8" round head steel as John Regan and Larry Smith have said. I don't believe the screws changed unless the earliest were round head brass, but they would have been the same size and type.

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Daniel, are you still at the same address in San Antonio?
Jonathan, I sent you an email.
Scott: Glad you are pleased!

Thanks all!

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Supply is starting to dwindle but I still have some.

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Back to the top.

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Text sent.

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These have been selling well; thanks MTFCA and everyone! Still have some sets left.

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FWIW, the Ford script was specified to be added to the arm on May 9, 1916.

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I have repaired a lot of early rear wishbones by cutting off the worn and beat-up threaded sections and welding new studs in place. That could probably be done with the fronts as well.

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Yep; Parrish & Bingham. It's the real deal.

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It's definitely 1913-14 Heinze, depending on the contact locations I cited. Kingston made very similar coils at the same time but theirs have finger joints only at the top and bottom edges. Heinze units have them all the way up the sides. The ratchet you mention was changed to a very thin T-shaped b...

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It's a Heinze. If the bottom contact is towards one end, it's a 1913. If in the center, it's a 1914. I make points for them, so they can be rebuilt like any other early coil.

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Due to a materials supplier issue I'm going to have to make these now rather than wait until after Chickasha. I'm hoping to have them there. I will set aside sets for those who have indicated by post here or by email that they'd like some. Thanks everyone! rvmodeltATnetsyncDOTnet T-29 002.JPG T-29 0...

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A Model T buddy of mine a few miles away had the virus bad. He had to be revived twice in the hospital. He's home now and doing OK by all accounts, so we will hope and pray for the best for Richard.

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Nah. I use Light Emitting Acetylene, not Light Emitting Diodes.

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This need is one good reason to join a chapter. Most of them have "tool cribs" available to members; the small fees sometimes charged go to help replace and/or acquire the very types of tools you mention.

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My '14 came with the Universal rib treads that were mounted on it in 1976. Until this summer all four were still on the car, passing NY inspection every year and giving no trouble, until the one on the left rear wheel blew out and tore the bead loose. I think that due to its age it could no longer h...

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Still available.

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1 of 2 remaining, but I think I'll hang onto the last one as a spare so this will be the last available. Made in Sweden, fully functional. Instructions included. Just bolt it on and light 'er up. The one on my own '14 works fabulously. Retail price is $1,550. This last one is $995 and includes the c...

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Those were unique to to 1912. The late Ken Jones had the factory drawing for them and was over the moon when he found an original pair at Bakersfield.

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It seems I had old information; there will in fact be services and calling hours:

From the Buffalo News: "Family will be present to receive friends Friday, December 11, from 4-7 PM, at the ADDISON FUNERAL HOME, INC., 262 N. Main St., Angola, NY, where services will follow at 7 PM."

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My friend Hugo Vermuelen phoned yesterday from Canada to let me know that Bob Barrett of Angola, NY passed away on Sunday. Hugo said that he had been working in his shop last Sunday but succumbed to a long illness a week later. Bob was the owner of several Ts: 1909 #1004, an original, unrestored 191...

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Congratulations on owning what looks to be a highly useful piece of equipment. Nice job of restoration and rebuilding. It looks as though it could be used on nondemountable wheels also, as long as the arms are padded to protect the wheel finish.

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That is a Heinze coil used on the Model K.

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New, made in Sweden. Exact reproduction; top quality. $65 postpaid.

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It's hard to tell for sure from the photo, but it looks like the central part of the switch that the key fits into is protruding out above the switch plate. This piece should end just below the plate, which is what holds the key in place once it is turned to BAT or MAG. If you can cut this back to t...

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There is very, very little information at the Archives about the early coils and boxes, but there are a few tidbits here and there. For example, I was able to confirm that the 09-10 cars had the magneto wire going to the coilbox terminal on the passenger side, not the driver's. I have seen a few bla...

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Tim, I agree with Larry Smith; I use original petcocks in radiator and crankcase both; no leaks ever. I don't think I've ever been to a swap meet where there hasn't been at least a half dozen available. Once I splurged and gave $2 for an extra nice one.

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Sold. Thanks to Dave and all who participated in this project; it was an interesting one to say the least!

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Terry, wasn't the 7/8-18 plug thread referred to as the "ALAM thread"? Seems to me I heard that somewhere but I'm no spark plug historian.

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Spoken for; thanks MTFCA!

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This is the very last one. The mold is used up and has been disposed of by the manufacturer. White, show quality, same price as the rest of the run. $425 plus UPS.

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Actually, Larry, the cost would be very nearly the same as the 1911 torpedo mats were, which was $425, and we'd need to sell at least 35 to get that price, so I doubt it's gonna happen, at least not by me.

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The aluminum-style iron manifold appeared in Dec. 1912. It was used for only a short time early in the '13 model year.

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FWIW, to add a tidbit to Rich Eagle's post, if you should ever have occasion to visit the Amtrak station in Depew, NY, a few miles southeast of Buffalo, you can see a photo and a commemorative plaque about 999 and the speed record. Apparently it took place on the tracks very close to today's Amtrak ...

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Please see my first post in this thread.

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They aren't welded; the ends of the rivet shanks are "spun" over.

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The 1911 Heinze boxes had brackets attached by three flat head wood screws, #7 x 5/8". By early 1912 this was changed to what was essentially the same bracket but held by two steel rivets per side. If you can properly buck the rivets inside the box, you can easily re-peen the rivets, but the looseni...

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Great; please let us all know how things go.

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I have no personal experience with these guys but you might try them.

https://maineradiator.com/restorations/

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What Dan M. said.

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As I posted above, and as is borne out in your photo, the Watts style stack is thicker than the Ford stack. That's why the push ring pins have to be shortened to compensate.

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I'm a little late chiming in here, but the Watts stack is normally a little thicker than the standard Ford clutch. That's why the T-3336 push ring needs to have the three pins machined shorter. That's also why I sell the Watts style clutches as kits with the stiffer springs and with the machining op...

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I heard a noise like that as I was going down the road in my late Dad's unrestored '23 coupe. The engine didn't miss a beat and it was still driving fine. When I got back to my shop I found that the fan had shucked a blade. Common with the early riveted fan but unusual for the late style. There was ...

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Given the fact that RV was a newborn when you got your touring, it's not too surprising that he wasn't making points.

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Bumping up

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Keith has it backwards: all coilboxes are built to fit the one pattern in the Ford firewall

Ford gave them the measurements and it was then up to the different companies to build their boxes accordingly.

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The coil fires, but does the plug fire? Do you have a coilbox with original style wood in it? If so, and the coil fires, and the plug fires in the open air but not in the engine, and since the trouble is with #1, what you probably have is a carbon track in the coil box wood. It's allowing some of th...

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Floorboards made from specially built packing cases may be a myth, but the reverse is documented. When Ford recycled trade-ins from their dealers at the Rouge, the salvaged floor boards from these derelicts were made into packing crates.

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Spoken for.

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I believe that's what they are. 2 raw castings and one drip plate. $25 plus $9 Priority postage.

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The best fix is a combination of both. Drill and tap the stem for a #10 machine screw; drill and countersink the mounting foot. Install the screw, then use silver solder to secure everything. This makes a strong and permanent repair. This type of bracket is correct only for mounting on the outside o...

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If the high tension winding is open it will need to be replaced. The T-4238 coil generally shows resistance in the 2500-2800 ohms range. The pine rosin originally used to pot these units can be carefully removed with an old screwdriver or chisel (don't use a hammer) enough to get the new thin style ...

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OK; we have four on the list; eight more and we can proceed.

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Measure and mark carefully, then use a square file to cut the notch. Takes about 30 seconds if you are a slow filer.

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Postage is $6. Email me at rvmodeltATnetsyncDOTnet for payment info. Thanks!

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That's a body number, not an engine number; the engine number is stamped directly on the engine block. It looks like the date is April 1914; the remainder is the serial number.

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These are flat; see photo at the top of the thread. 17 piece set as illustrated; $75 plus postage.

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3/8 x 16 on the socket end; 3/8 x 24 on the nut end.

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On my '14's rear axle, I soaked the housings for several days in mineral spirits. To do it, I made a temporary tank by nailing four 2 x 12s together and lining the resulting rim with a sheet of 6 mil plastic. I put a piece of scrap OSB in the bottom so that any sharp edges on the housings wouldn't c...

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I think that the car was restored for Ford's 50th in 1953.

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There is interest in a second run of these threading dies for original 13/32" inner tube valve stems. If we can get 12 orders it will cut the price in half ($75 each) over ordering one at a time. So far we have two; need 10 more to proceed. These are quality tools that work well for straightening da...

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In addition to all my other stuff, I will have a few of my rewound lifetime field coils, so bring your core and save a pile of shipping $$$. Also early and late Watts style clutches, and all my new items including the special early manifold studs with shoulder, the new early 2 pc dash clips and hard...

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FWIW, the headlights on my late Dad's unrestored original '23 Canadian coupe, which spent its entire life in Canada before Mom & Dad bought it in 2005, are identical to US lamps of the era.

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Good to know. Thanks for posting.

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I once got up early and drove 40 miles of back roads over to the middle of the next county for an 9:00 auction because of advertised "Model T Ford parts". When I got there, I couldn't find any, so I asked the auctioneer about it. "Oh, there aren't any. We always put that in to get more people to sho...

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There is a 1359 and a 1359A but no 1359B in Ford's info. The differences, apparently, are in the lengths: 18-13/16", 18-23/32", or 19-1/2".

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Contacted Dan; thanks Dom!

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Dan, could you please email me? I have a question about Luray. Thanks!

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You probably could, or if you're nervous about doing it, a local upholsterer could tackle it.

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The coilbox has the small Kingston switch. The first ones were fiber but they were soon replaced with brass. Hard to tell for sure which it is, brass or fiber, but either way, the small switch was replaced with the large, round, hard rubber switch just before the end of the 1910 model year, so I'm g...

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Sorry. Pronoun/antecedent issue. Send the BUYERS elsewhere, not the bolts.

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Steve: Yes it would; that's why I made them the correct length for the rears. The difference is only 1/8" so I figured some guys would trim the fronts and others wouldn't mind the extra length. Chad: That's the plan. I have always hated to sell sets of the bolts and then have to send them elsewhere ...

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According to Bruce McCalley, this is the typical 1915 style Holley Model G.

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Those are 1912 Kingston T-4238 coil units. All of their parts are available, as I rebuild them and also make complete correct reproductions.

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Originally they were cold punched, and about a Grade 1.5

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