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I have not seen non D steel fellows on non starter T's. I did see an original, non messed with 26 electric delete roadster. It had 30x3 & 30x3.5" wood fellow wheels. Is there evidence (pictorial or otherwise) of steel fellow, non demountable wheels coming on a T from the factory? Scroll to my photo...

33,000+. Non-Starter Runabouts sold in 1925. Likely some sold as pickups or converted by dealers on owners request for the bed instead of deck. Also, would think late non-demountable clincher wheels would be the all steel felloe 30 x 3 and 30 x 3 1/2 versions instead of the wood square felloe. IMG_0...

The Optima red top, 6v or 12v pictured is absorbent glass mat battery, or AGM. The lead plates sandwiched in the glass mat, and sealed in cylinders to contain the electrolyte. Mount in any position, and no evaporation or adding of water as with a std. lead acid car battery. Gel cells differ as the e...

Here is info from the CDs. JAN 9, 1912 Acc. 575, Letter 263 T-520 starting crank handle. “Replaced knurling on handle with ridges and grooves. Changed material from hard rubber to aluminum and specified the handle to be black enamel.” FEB 1, 1912 5 Acc. 575, Factory Letter 276 T-520 starting crank h...

#131 was formerly in Harrahs collection, likely restored to very high standards, would believe “correct” as money could make, absent the white rubber mat, carpet protector now. ;) #131 at Concoures DE Elegance car show in Palos Verdes, CA, 2008. Had white front floor mat then, along with a red paint...

Photos show those 5 lug rims to be for straight sided tires, as they are 'split rims'.

Likely for a larger car with wood demountable wheels.

Got the stainless one from Lang’s or Speedway Motors, shaft is 1 1/2” from right angle. Was bit long for 26-27 open car windshield frame, so added rubber washers. Might fit your closed car as is.

George Short answer, not computerize to this time of any records of such volume of changes of the Model T during its production life. Very much doubt that info will ever be, as the records are microfiche files at Benson. The best source to date is to obtain the set of 2 CD's made by Bruce McCalley. ...

Have always added thin metal steel sheeting under the #1 and #2 floorboards on the passenger side over the curving up exhaust pipe to the manifold. Have seen quite a few charred boards in old Ts :shock: A reminder of what did happen! By Bill Saitta on Sunday, March 31, 2013 - 07:02 pm: We were on t...

Pieces of used '24 top covering, the body and the rear curtain used to mount on the '23.

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Finished top job.

Eric Those pair of rear straps from the back bow to the tub wood trim strip are wider than 2", and are made of several pieces of fabric with sewn edges. Reason is a lot of stress on those, as the top is erected, and when folded. (1926 pictured) DCP_2536.JPG DCP_2535.JPG DCP_2532.JPG On my '23 cut-d...

Lang's has that flat trim. Might call to see if this flat has the 1/4" overhang, on both sides, isn't clear in the description or photo. Image 11-14-25 at 2.45 PM.jpeg Did get some oval trim from Restoration Supply to put on the faux '12 firewall. Has lips on both sides to hide the wood edges of the...

Here is link to a USA qualifier rebuilder of new wood wheels. http://www.calimerswheelshop.com/ Lots of info on the links in the homepage, videos too. But first read the Frequently Asked Questions link, reasons given why adding a few new spokes to old used wood felloe wheels isn’t the way to go. Hav...

Here is link:

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I like the idea of being able to have a little plastic engine that functions a little bit for demonstration purposes. So did I, a forum thread began in 2011 about a model T engine model, was really neat.....but the mfg didn't ever bring them to market, checking recently the original company is now ...

Thickness is important too, to prevent lens rattle, the modern nylon cord on left is smaller, the larger cotton cord (like clothes line) with more twists is better.

Originals used a type of black tar like adhesive on the cord seal......

Some adv from FordOwner mag, 1918, compliments of Google Books search.

The side body bolt appeared more or less in around the spring of 1915. Depending on the body supplier, as that bolt is for the metal seat frame. It is a typical feature of later 1915- 1921 or thereabouts touring bodies, the earlier touring bodies had wood seat frames. Data from Club Encyclopedia Fis...

Seems to be Goodyear clincher cord tires from the 1920s.

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Dan Can you take a close up photo of both the throttle and timer pull levers on column on the garbage can. I am trying to determine the approximate length/ relationship of the two levers and the hole center to center of both pull levers. Ron P Clarity please. Do you mean the 3525 spark rod and 3524...

Steve

No jewels! But didn’t look at the adv piece before posting, there wasn’t a fabric strap, but a chain in the pulley. The end of the chain had a clamp to latch over the top iron and pull the stack of irons tight to prevent rattles. Replaced the leather belt like strap.

Accessory adjustable top bow fastener, missing a chain that fits in the pulley behind the knob.

Cranking knob pulls extended chain around top bow stack to retain preventing rattling.

Edited…, to note chain used in the pulley crank.

Here ya go…,

Took these as replacing shaft and re bushing frame bracket on the 27 column. Used for ref to show position of the tiny lever and spark rod on retard.

Believe so, however the fender iron rod is unique to the pickup bed.

Here is one method, with real Ford parts, used with rear fenders that have the normal clip and bolt underside to latch onto the fender iron. Salvage the brackets from a touring rear metal supports, add the threaded rods and then bolt to the wood bed side or hack panel. IMG_4293 (1024x543).jpg IMG_42...

T-48815 is part number of the '26-'27 Housing (rear cross member) as noted in the Price List of Body Parts book.

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Lang's used to sell that part as Lang's # PBEDAD, but no longer avail, these were made by Howells a few years ago.

Here's a really old time tire, with red tube, cut away to show flaps used in the T period. IMG_1748.jpeg Use flaps too, they help prolong tire life and resist tube fails, IMO Have always using rubber stems, the rubber stems hold up. For dress, add the faux dust cover that affix to the rubber stem va...

Wishbone ball when new is 1 1/4" spherical ball. They wear, so shims are sold to help, but don't work on an oblong ball. Best is a nice round ball, and a new cap. Then the springs on the cap (grease the ball and cap) can assist holding the wishbone snugly, but with the slight rotation needed for the...

Story heard, if true, this horse carriage child hearse, sold, and # 22 motor was found mounted in the early T chassis the hearse was fitted. Here is that # 22 at Chickasha , 2012, on a run-in stand, was fired up a few times. Pretty neat! IMG_6709 (800x600) (740x555) (720x540).jpg IMG_6712 (720x540) ...

I’m trying to adjust my horn, it has stopped blowing. In the past, a simple turning of the screw in the rear , would bring it back. Double check power and ground. Could be battery voltage too low. The insides are most the same for motor horns, you may have to oil some spots; or clean the armature w...

The sketch of the rim removal tool by the OP is the same one in the Ford Service Bulletin. Have found the version avail from Lang's works well. This tool engages two of the rivets, and the groove ends, to provide a stop for being able to push in very firmly to compress the strong wire spring behind...

Typical types of "Fat Man" wheels, many ones made for the T, some with key locking too.

A whole bunch collected by someone!

Just before I take it all apart, do you mind if I just check that the thread of the tie-rod bolts is 7/16"UNC? That tie rod or connecting rod bolt and nut are 7/16" / 20 thread. Fine thread. The tie rod bolt with oiler top, is 7/16" / 20 x 2 1/4" length. Most all cotter pinned bolts are Fine thread...

You'd need an accurate drill guide, no matter how you do it. Used the cyl head as guide as the drill size fits the bolt hole. Just measure very closely to be sure the long drill won’t cut into the water jackets. Drill straight carefully with depth indicator on the drill bit. In this fix, measured d...

Old 24/27 gas caps may not be a bargain. Obtained this one with one ear gone, thought ok still can work. But after purchase found that the old zinc metal had swelled at the threads and someone must have used a flat file to reduce diameter. Problem is that flattened the threads so won’t fit at all. M...

My clutch was kinda slipping a bit, so I decided to adjust the clutch fingers, the gap between the collar and the plate is supposed to be 13/16 the gap was much larger, I put the gap to said measurement That measure is for new rebuild with new or tested clutch spring ....... For clutch slipping, yo...

The picture of the red Optima 6 volt battery shows the positive cable connection to the positive terminal of the battery... What is the problem with having a insulated 1/0 or 2/0 size negative cable?.... It's the size of the cable that counts! I agree!! In fact that Optima is in the running board b...

what is the value if a "woven" battery ground cable? From a mfg. source: Ground straps are braided by interlacing multiple strands of flexible wire. Braiding creates a structure that is thicker and stronger than non-interlaced wires and that will resist twisting under load. Compared to a battery ca...

A nylon washer will wear fast, use steel or bronze, and replace that nylon lock nut with correct castle nut and cotter pin. Steering has to be safe. Factory style repro spindle connecting rod bolt, with flip top oiler, inside the arm is a repro spindle arm steel bushing, and correct castle nut with ...

by J1MGOLDEN » Sun Oct 12, 2025 10:57 am Dan, I did not make any friends when I got a copy of the original blueprint from the Ford Archives in Michigan and posted the information. 0 Gauge, AKA 1/0 Gauge, was what was on that blueprint. Jim Oops, my mistake! :shock: I messed up and posted 2/0 or 3/4...

Put these 21" 4.50x4.75 Universal, 4 ply, Nylon tires on the '27 touring in March 2019. 5 years later a bit of tire wear, lots of tour season miles. The worst one on the left is from the right rear , likely from fast acceleration, or perhaps braking hard ;) The middle is a front tire, and on the rig...

The 15th picture. Did anyone notice the Stoplight on the near rear of the car? Must have been an accessory stoplight. Even at that time an actual light was thought to be necessary. I wonder why it wasn’t put on closer to the rear. Ideas?? That was the common place for mounting the many aftermarket ...

Don’t know what happened, but the guy in the vest has a line on it.

According to a recent book, U S Rubber supplied the Wards Riverside to Montgomery Ward in 1928 ( for balloon tires) so perhaps they made the successful clincher tires too.

And in 1926 Montgomery Ward was a huge tire seller.

The second issue is that the first hole in the rod is 4 3/8 inch from the tip which puts the gizmo that the choke connection attaches to which puts it in the center of the manifold. I need to either replace the whole thing with a new rod or drill new holes, cut to the right length and put a new kno...

Some photos of other's installs.

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For the repro needle valve, that replacement has longer arms or fingers than the originals (provides the tension on the round barrel to keep the needle valve in correct spot) can interfere with the hex portion and prevent full seating of the needle. My fix is to cutaway a portion of those arms (nea...

Original Smith wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 06, 2025 1:59 pm
AC brakes used a cable.

Larry

A-C did make a Heavy Duty set, with larger external band, special drum …. and used rods.

John Interesting for a script on be on a Made in England unusual wrench. Might be a practical tool like a Swiss Knife, doubt it had much application in a Ford shop. If that script is stamped in, the size is very small, since flourish of the ‘F’ is missing, hard to know if authentic. For years copies...

You might contact Dave Currier, he makes many T wood bodies and could perhaps built you seats.

www.everettcurrierfarm.com

For 6v starting, the battery to switch and switch to starter cables must be 0 gauge or known too as 1/O gauge , they are appx 1/2 inch thick. Don’t use premade 12 volt cables you will have problems starting. The ground cable preferably should be a woven strap. Have tested or new battery, have all ca...

Have the Klaxon #3 on the '23, is the top push version, bracket mounts to the arm rest wood. The return was limp, so added a coil spring under for boost...very loud Ahooga :D . klaxon 3 view.jpg klaxon 3.JPG And here are the patents (filed in1906 and granted 1909) of Miller Reese Hutchison, for the...

Here is one brand, these came in pair, normally one red and one green.

As others commented, take your windshield and go to a good glass shop for installing that lamp. Had local Lee&Cates make laminated safety glass windwings and drilled holes for the mounts. This year I hit one and accidentally cracked the glass across a hole (weak link) :shock: But they made a new one...

Dan Hatch wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 01, 2025 11:29 am
Another big day is the 3rd. What is it about?

First ever print adv for the new Model T. Oct 3, 1908!

The very few places old time felt is used, have rubbed the felt with axle grease. Compresses the felt, and helps retard oils from seeping. For me the only felts are the rear wheel hub/drum recess and the hogshead felt circle seal. Old school for me is to use varnish, dip the hogshead felt strip, let...

Found this info for the Lock and Tilting version on Google Books:

No room. Maybe I need new body blocks but the few I have seen in person sit the same as mine. Things don't add up, but I'm sure we'll get to the bottom of it. Well looked again and see now the bed wood isn't like stock install. Yours has 6 metal bed strips or cleats. The factory is 4. The curved me...

I place it folded, lying on towels, on the rear seat of the touring.

That 'hump plate' should be mounted with the flanges under the bed wood. Suppose the bocks are misplaced, can't seem to see in the photos. unfortunately, I can't mount it with the flanges under the bed wood. The crossmember is already up against the hump plate. bocks? Do you mean blocks? What block...

Obviously isn't original as Ford only used low tension AC flywheel magneto, timer, and 4 high tension trembler coils for ignition. A distributor has to have DC power source. If you can trust AI, then with the numbers on that Bosch nameplate, the unit is old cast iron one. AI Overview For a replacem...

Meant to post "body blocks" they are frame mounts to lift the runabout body and its deck off the frame. You might have missing or worn ones, and the body is mounted too low on the frame.

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That 'hump plate' should be mounted with the flanges under the bed wood. Suppose the wood blocks are misplaced, can't seem to see in the photos.

Hump plate on originals:

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1912 TYPE Open Express is SOLD Fun Model T built for parades. Express body in poplar wood, with period hardware on bed flare boards and tail gate. Original type buggy seat vinyl button tufted. Restored ’13 frame, later front and rear axles. 1919 starter block, rebuilt with alum pistons, new valves ...

J1MGOLDEN wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 21, 2025 1:07 pm
This is another Unknown Hub Wrench

The nut sizes are 7/8th and 1 inch and 1 3/4th inches.

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Rather sure that wrench is Chevrolet 490 hub cap wrench.

Interesting conversion using new WOSP Performance mfg. parts , and WOSP 12v starter.

This ‘17 had ring gear, so these new parts were used.

Found pics on Facebook. Just another choice now. www.wosperformance.com

Seems with those drums only external shoes are fitted.

Prefer to stay with Ford drums with internal emergency brake shoes, and with added Rocky Mtn external , plus keeping trans brake band in place and connected, provides more complete stopping and parking means.

This post from 2023 shows pics of how I get the stop nut off the Bendix shaft, then you can replace the gear.

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here is the photo of the dash, the dash choke is an earlier style dual choke and mixture set up. The choke knob is round, and under the dash will be a rod with triangle bend end to adj. the carb setting. Yes, seems to be a '24-'25 body, the patent plate below the dash is the rectangular style, thes...

The engine and wide pedal transmission are the Improved version. Obviously was swapped into your ‘25 -24 model year Fordor since your T isn’t Improved model with crowned fenders and sitting on the Improved Car frame. You may be able to date the body by features, the dash shows the butterfly for chok...

Haven't seen a switch face coil box with the slot for the reinforcement strip. The non-elec 1919 and later would have used the dash mount switch. Eating crow, not too tasty at all :roll: Here is a 1918 box with steel face switch and sure enough has the reinforcement strip from front to back wood. W...

This older post has some real good tips. Two person job as the cowl sediment bulb fitting to the tank has to wrangle in and back out when replacing. One can do it, but helpers are nice to have. ;) Done it solo many times in open cars, the dash sometimes needs a pull just below the switch opening as...

Previous forum discussions on the Reeder head. Believe they were made in High and Low styles. And that round casting sprue on top is an identifier. cylinder head reeder w sprue.jpeg Another one was identified as “Ron Genson”made, has "R' on the top of the water outlet neck. Correction: Reply on name...

“OR, obtain a separate ignition battery and run the engine on that. A new riding mower type 12 volt battery could run the ignition for a good while if it had no other loads.” Good idea on carrying such a spare “emergency ignition” battery. Can’t answer on the # of starts or how long that T in questi...

Haven't seen a switch face coil box with the slot for the reinforcement strip. The non-elec 1919 and later would have used the dash mount switch. The replacement wood kits have the slot, but the metal boxes I seen, with holes for the box mount switch don't have a matching slot in line with the wood ...

Nope. T and TT use the same hub cap wrench, cap hex fits both, the TT cap is larger, but same hex. There is TT-5893 Wrench, used for cyl. head bolt, spark plug, and the TT rear wheel rim nut. Replaces the std. T-2335 spark plug, cyl. bolt wrench. The record of change on earlier designs note for rear...

Research is the best way, always learning in that process. This Chart on the Hub Cap wrench history is helpful when searching swaps for the more correct factory tool set for specific years, yet sure that there was overlap and many different mfg. sourced by Ford to obtain 15 million # 1349 wrenches ...

Isn’t made, probably too difficult to repop in small quantity.

Design is unique with internal drain tube from the filler pan.

If a cast letter ‘Z’ is on front water outlet, that’s a Z head. Modern part. Model T’s have iron cylinder heads.

Agree

Didn’t expect that sight glass in the upper. Overfill of oil, so lots sprayed out. Brian knows the fix now too.

Dan Those are title registration metal discs, state law had a fee to purchase, required to mount on firewall or dash, supposed to prevent theft. The early GA ones are undated, began around 1913 I think, and rare, but GA records list numbers on the early undated disc for dating. The early ones are wo...

Brian Interesting on the site gauge in the lower petcock, didn’t know as you posted first both were closed. Those gauges have vent hole so oil registers in the glass. Yep… air flow up and out the missing floorboards pulled oil out that vent! Normally road speed of a T won’t as air flow stays low und...

Oil or other liquid leaking from a vehicle being towed on an open trailer at highway speed can blow in any direction. Turbulence behind a moving tow vehicle and around a trailered vehicle is very high. Higher road speeds, headwinds, or crosswinds can make turbulence much worse. Oil doesn't weigh mu...

Until we know from the OP, prefer to go with the hunch on the type of spray indicated , that is source is the Model T. Look at the windshield pic, I expanded it some. If the oil spray was from the tow vehicle, the spray would be outside. This oil is on only the inside of the T. Note how the oil is f...

One of Jay's Accessory of the Day feature from 2010: https://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/118802/131530.html?1269198232 COMPASS INDICATOR F OR AUTOMOBiLES Filed May 8, 1926 i Patented Apr. 10, 1928; UNITED STATES OLE P. NOISOM, OF SOUTH BEND, INDIANA. COMPASS INDICATOR FOB AUTOMOBILES, ETC. Applica...

Is the Watts Clutch Pack different than the Jack Rabbit Clutch Pack than Snyders sells now? Yes, main difference is the Watts replaces the Large discs , with fiber cutouts running on the brake drum lugs. The Turbo 400 or "Jack Rabbit" replaces the Small discs are modified by trimming off some of th...

The windshield splatter is flowing down, and on the trailer deck the oil looks very fresh, certainly isn't old used oil or fresh pavement oil from the roadways. Lots on your battery and on the front seat riser points to the motor as source. Would first check the oil level in the crankcase, and did y...

Suspect that nail head blob is from the soldering done on the tank seams. The tanks were formed with galvanized sheet metal, rolled and seams rolled on the end caps. That blob might be result of this operator, looks crosseyed to me. ;) IMG_9868.jpeg And, yes, splash baffles are soldered in the tanks...

Allan Same here, think the 4 -dip used July '24 had the changes in place for the eventual wide brake drum. Bruce's CD Ency doesn't specific say about that width change in the belly sides, but this version was used to the end of production. 1924-1927 3100 (T1526E) (No part number change from earlier ...

Fan bolt is locked with cotter against the block, keeps fan bolt in adjustment so it won't work loose and have a fan rattle. locking cotter.jpg And on your timer install, removed the nut below the terminals of the timer case, reverse the bolt on the front plate there, so only the head of the bolt is...

Auto supply catalogs of the period list Common Sense type fastener in all brass, and brass with black enamel paint.

Ford likely used brass for the early cars, and when brass was on the way out, probably switched to the black paint finish.

Just had remembered seeing the listing in Canadian Service Bulletin from 1923, of making these available to service centers, so at least Ford Canada authorized Walden-Worcester tools.

Does anyone have a photo of the later pans with the expanded area? Easy way is to see what inspection plate is under the crankcase. If it has "4-dips" or raised sections, you have the correct crankcase, the later one from late 1924-to-1927, they all can accept a wide brake band, that came along in ...

These are some old originals, brass formed , one has metal thread insert that is magnetic.

The others are non-ferrous brass, painted black, the later Lit the Dot backings are raven dull black , the one Common Sense fabric plate is shiny black paint still.

Appears correct, those common sense fasteners likely raven finished, available still today but named government black. Used on lots of military vehicles. Here is another very original 1914 that was displayed on an upper NY tour years ago, took these closeups for the photo file. 1914 org.jpeg 1914 or...

Couple of pics from an install by Eliz,when she owned Classtique. Wrap the front bow with vinyl first, the other bows get wrapped with cotton bow drill. Then fit the windbreak to the front bow, note the slot for the wiper arm. 27 windbreak.JPG windbreak and pads.jpeg The place top cover over the top...

Quite possible a Ford service agent, Ford dealer, or other agency would have parts sales room that displayed Walden Worcester tools. Note this detail from a Ford dealer parts counter, see the display and the listing of the tools, perhaps these are Walden Worcester tools. parts counter.jpeg Display ...

Lifting frame does help in placing new oil cups. A trick I use when older springs have the space real tight......I trim the end of the oil cup so it sits a bit lower in the leaf hole. cut down oilerI .jpg Shorten oiler.jpg Place the oil cups so that the doors face toward the center of the chassis. ...

Might be of some help, took these pics of a rather nice little messed with '27 coupe.

But both are different, don't know if originals or not.

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This eBay listing today, from another fake seller "andev_2441" , has the Lang's watermark shielded by cropping the snatched photo from Lang's website.

Wicked scammers, note the location Brazil , but shipped from "USA Warehouse" i.e. Lang's! Good grief :

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