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Katie and Ernie, If you have to purchase another engine and spend the money on a complete rebuild you would do good to find one that's the same year as your car. That would keep your car correct and I would think enhance the value of the car both historically and monetarily. The expense is the same ...

The body is later style 1921 or 1922.

Looks like early teens photo, not sure of the make. The shape of the radiator is not one I remember seeing before so my guess would be a lower production make. Sure would like to have it in my garage.

Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry.

So did they have a 4 inch drop?

What was the amount of drop on an original Mercury axle?

1900 Milwaukee Stanhope
1906 REO 1 cyl. 8 H.P. Model B Runabout
1908 Maxwell 2 cyl. 14 H.P. Model LC Runabout
1909 Stanley 20 H.P. Model R Roadster
1911 Mitchell 30 H.P. Model T Touring
1911 Ford Model T Touring
1912 Ford Model T Touring

Jonah,
In addition to what Donnie mentioned the explosion whistle makes more of a chirping sound than what you would think of as a whistle blowing sound.

Wayne, I'd like to add a little back story to your Reeves Octoauto identification post. The Reeves Octoauto built by M.O.Reeves of Columbus, Indiana was in fact the brain child of an infamous fellow by the name of Professor Fate. Fate of course was famous for his Hannibal Twin 8 which was a competit...

I want to apologize to everyone and especially to Milt Webb and his family for the premature announcement of his departure. I have just been contacted by a good friend of Milt's that he is indeed still very much alive! I had been erroneously informed by a fellow club member that had got word of Milt...

I want to apologize to everyone and especially to Milt Webb and his family for the premature announcement of his departure. I have just been contacted by a good friend of Milt's that he is indeed still very much alive! I had been erroneously informed by a fellow club member that had got word of Milt...

I'll go with Cadillac also, mid to late teens.

The levers are different. The early levers are keyed and pinned in place. The key is on the top of the shaft. The later levers are just pinned. 1909 and maybe 1910 levers have other differences.

I'm guessing it was late in production. I've had a couple of 1924's and those had the battery bracket bolted to the cars frame. The reason I asked was that in my bone pile I have a couple of lose brackets that still have the rivets in then that had been used to mount them on the car frame. Thanks to...

When did Ford start to rivit the battery bracket to the frame rails on the cars with electric starters?

It looks like the rear hub and brake drum are mounted in the wheel backwards. The brake drum should be on the other side of the wheel.

Hi Bob,
I think I can help you out as I have standard and torpedo hoods that I am getting rid of. Also found some coal for the 0-6-0, let me know.
Philip

Keith, thanks for the tip, I'll pass that on to my friend. Running the screw threads over a cake of bees wax is also helpful when installing screws.

Guess I'm an old timer, here's a few to mull over: Skedaddle Claptrap Hoity-toity Dillydally Willy-nilly Six of one, half dozen of the other Getting your knickers in a twist Straight from the horses mouth Neither hide nor hair Down to brass tacks Doesn't know beans Doesn't know his butt from a whole...

Thanks for all the replies, I think I've got what I need. This is for a friends restoration. It is one of the last things to do. He will I'm sure be very appreciative for the help.

Rich, I love that 2 cylinder Buick. 1906, 1907, and 1908 are my top favorite years for American designed automobiles. I have the remains of a 1908 Stanley 10 h.p. model EX that I'd like see on the road someday. That's the only non Ford antique that I currently own. Calling it a car at this point is ...

Ed, Do you know the overall height of the sedan. Just wondering if it would clear a 7 foot opening. That's a fair price for such a nice car. I'm surprised it hasn't sold yet.

Can anyone tell me what the correct spacing is for the screws on the brass trim on a 1909 firewall/dashboard is? Also what size screws were used?

What non Ford cars from 1927 and earlier do you own?

Did anyone watch the Discovery Channel show last night "The Lost Lincoln"? Mark Osterman was one of the experts consulted towards the end of the first hour. It was a very interesting show, and nice to put a face and voice to someone that posts on the forum from time to time.

Looks like a setup for an Internatioal Harvester tractor

Rich, I did indeed get a ride in #8. I snapped a couple of photos looking down the hood of the Stutz as we were going down the road, if I can find them I'll post them. That was a real thrill for me riding in that racer. That is me with the Indian. The photo on the left was more than likely taken on ...

Rich's beginning post brought back a memory for me. I attended the tour in Sun Valley, Idaho back in 1975 with my 1913 2 cylinder Indian Motocycle. Early one morning I was out on the grass where the cars were parked and Jim Zordich was warming up the Earl Cooper #8 Stutz Racer. I went over to see th...

Just wondering what authentic, original parts may be included with the car. Does it have the original engine block, crankcase, transmission cover etc.? Detailed photos would help to identify exactly what you're selling. Some history of the car would also help.

These are very nice frames and would make an excellent foundation for your restoration project. They are surplus to my current and future needs. I 'd like to see someone make use of them. I've always stored them indoors out of the weather.

Richard, all the frames are pre 1926 so I can't help you there. You're always welcome to come by. I can help you out with an axle.

Have several nice mid 20's frames for sale. These have the channel steel running board brackets $125.00 each.

Steve, try an art supply store such as Dick Blick, or Jerry's Artarama, there are more also Amazon. Look for canvas stretching tools. Hope this helps.

R.V., If it's not to late to jump on the band wagon I would like to have one also.

The first three cars I ever drove were model T's, a 1917, 1915 and a 1914 in that order. This was before I had a driver's license! The first car I ever owned was a restored 1914 T touring mentioned above. In 1971 at the age of 16 years I took the 1914 to the DMV to take the driving test for my drive...

This is just a reminder to everyone that the Auburn Swap Meet scheduled for June 7 2020 has been cancelled.

Mark, thanks for the advice. Don, left message on your voice mail. Thanks for the response. Philip

A correct set of door latches and strikers for a 1916 touring car, also an oil tail lamp with the vent holes around the base of the chimney.

Lowering the price to $300.

This is to inform everyone that regrettably the Mother Lode Model T Club Swap Meet June 7th 2020 in Auburn, CA is officially canceled until next year.

We hope everyone stays safe and healthy during this time of uncertainty.

I would like everyone to know how sorry I am for the comments I made. To David Dewey, Richard Instness, members of the Mother Lode Model T Club, members of the Model T Ford Club of America, and anyone else I may have offended by my comments please except my sincere apology.

Philip Lawrence

I just contacted the people at the Gold Country fairgrounds here in Auburn, Ca in regard to the Mother Lode Model T swap meet on June 7th. They are only projecting out 60 days. So at least as of today March 24th the annual Auburn Swap Meet is still on. However this very well may change in the next f...

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David, if your only interest in going to a swap meet is a slice of pie then something is very seriously wrong with your thinking. You would be better off staying at home and spending the money you would have spent on gas and the entry fee and buy a couple of pies at your local grocery store. That wa...

I could possibly supply additional parts for the 1913 frame at additional cost.

I have a nice 1913 frame for sale, $350.00 the frame would be suitable for a car built in May of 1913 and after. It has the early style long rear crossmember that is flat on top were the body mounts. The frame has been repaired in the past as signs of welding can be seen on the left inside channel, ...

Stan, why not have the steel bowls brass plated?

Well, if the frame is staight and the body is painted and upholstered, instead of shimming under the body at the center body mounts on the frame and distorting the body to make the doors fit I would first try this. Remove both hinges from the body and doors. Get a small router with a sharp bit and t...

Thanks Dan for the great information. I didn't think standard tires had been made in a very long time but thought I would ask anyway. I guess that's just another case of our government knowing what's best for us, whether we like it or not! And their still at it today! Thanks to Erik also thats good ...

Is there currently produced a STANDARD 30 x 3 1/2 inch clincher tire. All the tires that are currently available as far as I am aware of are the 30 x 3 1/2 inch OVERSIZE tires. These are in actuality 31 x 4 inch. Of course both size tires fit the 23 inch clincher rim.

Well I think I have what I need. I went to look at a 1909 Touring this week with the original factory upholstery still in place. Measured what I needed and will adjust to fit the roadster seat. With the photographs supplied above, and the actual seats I think I can get them picture perfect! Thanks a...

Richard, may we assume that the frame of your chassis is dead straight? Is the body painted and upholstered?

Thanks to all for the photos, but would still like dimensions on the button locations.

R.V. could you post a photo of the plate?

The 90 degree elbow is reproduced. I believe the bulb bracket is not correct for 1915. The 1915 bracket was totally different.

Kim, that photo you posted looks vaguely familiar. If I'm not mistaken Lorin Sorensen published an article back in the early 1970's in his Ford Life magazine about the Seattle Ford plant. The article showed a much larger image of the photo you posted if I'm remembering correctly. Thanks for posting ...

Thanks for the photo Keith. The roadster in the photo shows Grass Valley, CA mining engineer Arthur Foote in 1911 crossing the Sierras in a competition run in his model T. The car I believe was a 1910. There are photo's showing his early 1909 with light gray paint that I have also seen, so he owned ...

A worthless accessory if your crankshaft and fan pulleys have the correct crown. Much better to fix or replace the pulleys. Would you put a bandaid on your arm if it was broken?

I would still like to get dimensions of the vertical button spacing on the three rows of horizontal buttons from the top surface of the seat base up at the seat back. Also the same at the arm rest. Finally what it the spacing of the buttons from each other horizontally? Any help on this is greatly a...

I don't believe there is any difference whatsoever between the 1911 to early 1915 headlamp forks. There were however several variations on the front fender brackets during 1911 and 1912. The 1913 through at least 1917 front fender brackets were all the same. I mention this only because the headlamp ...

My previous post got me thinking about Ruckstell values. I remember when $150. was an outrageous asking price for a Ruckstell. And walking past them at swap meets shaking my wondering what the heck the guy was thinking! Back then you could find good ones for around $100. of course gas was .19 to .25...

As Stan mentioned Ruckstell had their own service tools. 50 years ago a neighbor who was a model A guy was given a set of Rucksell service tools. They were mostly wrenches of all different configurations. They all had the Ruckstell script in raised letters on them. In addition to tools he was also g...

1915 horn.

Rich and Kim, thanks for posting the photos these will help a lot.

Thanks Kim, That would be great!

Thanks for the photo Tony. The 1909-1910 roadster had a divided seat with a left and right seat cushion. I was looking for photos of the seat backs and how they are joined in the middle on the vertical joint. Tony, could you give the measurements of the highths of the horizontal buttons on each of t...

Would any one happen to have a 1909 or 1910 Roadster with original upholstery they could post photos of?

I'd like one also for my 1917 touring restoration project. I'll have a check on the way to you today. Thanks.

Planning on being there when the gates open Saturday morning. Not much T stuff there anymore but I always find a treasure or two. Lots of fun to just look.

Danny, Jay in Northern California is a "Straight Shooter" and a nice guy!

I talked to my brother on Christmas day, he lives in Florida said regular gas is $2.07 a gallon there. I paid $3.49 a few days ago here in northern California.

Most definitely an International. The wheels,hood and spark and gas levers under the steering wheel are the dead giveaways. My former father-in-law owned a 1910 IHC highwheeler very similar to the one in the photo, it is still in the family. He bought it from the original owner who was an old Norweg...

If the touring car has good sheet metal and a solid body I would go for it. Most anybody can do basic mechanical repairs and farm out engine work but to get a dented, warped and loose body correctly restored is beyond the ability of most model T owners and could cost much more than an engine overhau...

Left would be drivers side (No oil filler hole). 1915 would also have no reinforcements ribs on outside flanges ( opposite of wheel, facing center of rear end ).

Wayne, that badly upholstered 1915 touring is still on ebay. At least the upholstery is consistent with the top. It's not to far from you, you could see it in person.

Back in 1975 as I remember The late Joe Morris, a HCCA club member ran one of those heads in the SCVMTFC annual speedster run. Somewere I have a picture of the car but not of the engine or head. The car was a red, brass era (1914) styled speedster with black fenders and red wood wheels if I'm rememb...

So sorry to hear of Humble Howard's passing. He was certainly a legend in the model T community. His passing will most definitely leave a huge void not soon to be filled. It was nice to have seen him riding with Ed one last time at the SCVMTFC 50th anniversary endurance run this last June. Howard wi...

Mother Lode Model T club's 46th annual Swap Meet, Sunday June 7th, 2020. Held at the county fairgrounds in Auburn, Ca just off highway 80, between Sacramento, Ca and Reno, Nv. Best swap meet in northern Ca. Loads and loads of model T parts.

Donnie, I would like to get a copy. A copy would be good reference source and is a must have for any model T restorer or avid T enthusiast imho.

Boy! I thought our gas here was a good deal when it dropped from $4.29.9 to $3.79.9 this last month at the Chevron station for regular.

Dan, I would be interested in one also.

Thanks to RV, Rich and Dan for their reply. As I mentioned I my first post I suspected that they were unpainted originally. I'm currently rebuilding three sediment bowls and always like to do things correct if at all possible, they will be buck naked!

I'm suprised that nobody out there can answer my inquiry about the original factory finish on the steel sediment bowls. This is kinda fun stumping the experts out there.

Can anyone tell me what the correct finish on the steel sediment bowls under the gas tank was? Most of the time these are painted black but is that correct? I'm just wondering if they were just left unpainted from the factory, I have never seen any evidence of paint on unrestored ones.

I've dug through the pile quite a few times since June and always come home with a truck load. Lots of good parts there, wish I had more space. Doug is a nice guy to do business with. He has always been more than fair with his prices. What is left is worth much more than the current price being asked.

That is a standard 30 x 3 1/2 tire. As far as I know the modern made 30 x 3 1/2 tires are all oversize they are actually 31 x 4 in size. A word to the wise..... Never use an original tire as a spare regardless of how good it looks! Unless of course you enjoy being stranded on the side of a back road...

Rich you're one up on me. You got a ride in the model H, I never did!

All great stuff. We have a lot of very artistic people among us. I always enjoy seeing Rich's art work in addition to his shop skills. On Oct. 28, I particularly enjoyed seeing his rendering of Conrad Fletcher's model H Stanley. Many years ago I was quite involved with Stanley's, it was during that ...

I have been cleaning and organizing my shop and in the process so far have found enough pieces and parts to build up two more model T's.

It is either a copy of a original design water pump or a copy of an original firewall mounted Marvel Mystery Oil reservoir with all fittings and tubing to hook up directly to the engine.

Ed has Perlman brand demountables on #4.

Oh come on Charley, I myself am starved for good entertainment, let's cast caution to the wind. Go ahead and give us both barrels!

Matt,
I'll take them. Sending you an email.
Philip

Jeff, Thanks for showing the photo with the stepped torque tube. My memory isn't all that good I guess I remembered the photo different but that torque tube is in it for sure. I'm glad I haven't completely lost it. Thanks again.

Brent, I grew up on the east side of the San Francisco bay. As far as gas taxes go in California I gave up long ago trying to keep up. An interesting side note here is that last week I was in southern Oregon and paid .90 per gallon less for regular at the same name brand station that I get gas in Ca...

Steve, sometime back a friend of mine had an original set of Ford service bulletins from 1924. They were from mid to late 1924 I don't remember the exact month. On the front page of one issue was a photo showing a Ford dealers front display window in which there were model T parts arranged in a arti...

Should have mentioned I just paid $4.29 per gallon of regular a few days ago, total for my fill up........$100.00 And everybody always wants to know why I love the old days so much.

Back in 1971 when I started driving there was a self service gas station (one of the first I think) across the street from the high school that I attended. It was called "Easy Pickn's Gas" price was .19 per gallon for regular, .21 for supreme. Oh those were the days!

The stepped driveshaft torque tube came out in 1924 and was used till 1927. I'm not sure if it was used in all production, the earlier smooth tapered torque tube may have also been used during that time period.

According to a CHP officer, California has no minimum speed limit provided there is a passing lane. This includes our freeways. If you are on a single lane roadway with five or more vehicles behind you, you must pull over to the right shoulder WHEN IT IS SAFE to do so to allow the cars behind you to...

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