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Knot two worrry Tim ... ewe reed gooder than I dew!

Model T’s were often misidentified ‘sort of’ because of what someone thought they were this or that. I have a 24 Coupe that was misdated at inspection stations as a 25 because they look so much alike. I still have the inspectors receipts.
Other T’s from 17-22 open cars look alike except for some details.
And then there’s the Dr’s Coupe theory!...

In Canada there is only one kind of hockey. It is taken for granted that when you say hockey its played on ice. If anyone says ice hockey we know they're from away. We used to make a rink in winter and play regularly in winter. there was a shack with an old barrel stove and me and three of my buddies took care of the rink. one guy would be outside...

Hank is selling what looks like a short version of this...a hand-operated fuel tank pressurization pump. If it is, the question is for what?

I made mine Les. I cut off the bad and made a new piece from stake pocket down. Now I can open the tailgate and sit on it.

The plater should have it done next week. It is a bit special as it is for a McCord aftermarket radiator. Ultimately cheaper than I could buy one for that wouldn’t really fit anyway!

This car show took place during the Model T Homecoming event. We didn't have event judges, but instead asked the public to vote for People's Choice and Most Unique.

I believe that was a cool idea!!!!

Hank

They need a model T.

Nurex is making these.

Brad

Thanks for all the photo's.

The last one exemplified the changing times: a hitching rail in front of a garage.

A reverse pedal extension helps a lot to get a clean reverse! If your a big footed guy it’s almost a necessity to have one! And yes it does keep you from engaging the clutch and reverse at the same time. I wear size 13 and guys with bigger feet that that would have a tough time it seems to me.

As a Bigfoot I needed the reverse extender and I...

Bill,
Thanks for posting the information on the rules of the Montana 500. The event rules are very detailed and very fair to the participants. From what I can determine everything must be reasonably stock except the camshaft and the crankshaft to flywheel location.
Art Mirtes

either 9/16-18 or 3/4-18 depending on year

Looking forward to seeing the final results for all the cars. We now know the winner and I'd sure like to see where the other contestants place.

Marvel Mystery oil in the gas tank will lube vale stems as well as/or a pint of engine oil in a full tank of gas.

I think you nailed it. Thanks!

Normally the horn switch breaks the hot wire, but more info below.

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This info from earlier post:

By John F. Regan on Thursday, September 10, 2015 - 09:25 am:
Mag horns are wired 2 different ways. The early mag horns have both electrical connections isolated from the horn housing and thus isolated from ground. These are used on the...

Bill Glass rebuilds them. No contact info but he doesn't use a Grose jet. Look before you leap.

From the look of those rugged ladies, they didn't mind the hardship of having to substitute kerosene for drinking water....

I tried to replace mine years ago, the originals were hard as a rock and broken. I replaced the glass first then tried to install the seals with no luck, they may need to go in when the glass is installed. Also some of the model T glass bottom metal channels do not have the the right shape for the seals, but the model A channels do.

The inside the crankcase photo of the 1913 block shared by Rich C gives a good view of the earlier rounded 'setup' block inside the crankcase. That detail also changed around late 1913 or early 1914. Practically all model T blocks from very early had those two 'setup' corners inside the crankcase, opposite the cam, one in the front half, one in...

Trying to post photos - sorry about my bumbling here.

Back to the question of When did Ford stop production of the Model T. That really appears to be more when the parts were no longer available to assemble them at many of the locations.

I.e. in general the Branch Assembly plants continued to produce the cars and Ton Trucks as long as they had the parts to do so. There was not a single date that...

Thank you Allen from down under! I'm still here and excited to try that.

Happy belated birthday Darel.

The T pictured appears to be a put-together built around a 6 cylinder T engine. created in the 1920s. The engine block may date from the teens, but not the starter unit. The body is odd and does not look like one that Henry would have built for Edsel. Th top is a make shift .

Could it be off a Fordson tractor? Or a Ford Marine Engine? Or is this another example of an F.A. Liberty generator. the first ones used on early generator cars?

Could that be an example of one of the very early Ford Generators? The F.A. Liberty generator, (or whatever it was) before they went to the standard Ford pattern device?

Don't believe they've been operating for quite some time. Website last updated in 2009. Let us know if you find out otherwise.

Terry

The small gas tank was empty.

Been there done that!

Bump to the top

Or this firm:

I have to ask! Did you use a cheater on the wrench? I have some 1 and 2” pipe in different lengths I use when I have to. Glad you got it done without breaking anything!

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LOL keeping it simple, I just shine a light in the hole and watch the piston. When it comes up, stops, then starts to go down, I call it good and set my timing. As long as all pistons fire on the down stroke when starting on battery, it really can't kick back. There is more then enough travel on the quadrant to set the timing once it is running,...

Awesome Rob! Thank you sharing the video. I'm close to finish my 1914 Ford racer either. Maybe this week-end he will fire for the second time. Just need to fix the rear axle to the engine.

Here picture before and after.

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I didn't heard from Rich Baughman's for a long time. Hope he's fine. He's linkage work really well.

I was given the front seat section of a 1919 or 1920 touring. It looked like the upholstery had never been off. The back cushion was hung off the tack rail, there was a piece of upholstery card stock between it and the body, no other support. The bottom cushion is; 17-1/2 X 36-3/4 (44.45 X 93.345 CM). If you need the front seat back rest, I can...

Thank you everyone. I managed to solve my issue.

There was an additional rivet through the each half felloe and one spoke on each end. Perhaps evidence of an early repair. I know now what to look for on my other wheels and should be able to do the same disassembly relatively smoothly.

Low and behold, here is the cartoon that appeared with the whistle ads in his tire ads.
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It was done by a Dan Eagle.
A wolf whistle rather than the 4 tube version he was also selling.

Along with finding the Tudor details long after I could have used them were some top irons and door latches that I could have used on my 1914 Touring 4 years ago. I collected parts for a '14 for many years but as I didn't have enough to start the project I let many things go to others who needed them. I had original door latches twice and let them...

Thank you for all the input....it is sincerely appreciated.

I am resstorin1926 Tudor front seat and need some photos of what a good one looks like. Also the rivets and a
attachment points on the seat area mystery to me. Are they for the springs or the upholstery? Any help appreciated. Thanks, TQ

Just make sure they understand its not pressurised. I told a local shop that and they called and said it needed recored. I said it was a small leak. He told me it really started leaking at 7lbs and at 10lbs it leaked everywhere. I now have a recore.

There is a Service Bulletin that explains how to gain that extra leg room and move the seat back.

What little boy DOESN'T love a tractor?

great pix...thanks for sharing.

Follow Up:

The NH Carb ended up to be Debris in the Idle Bypass to the T-Body.. I Drilled out the Brass Plug on the Manifold Mount Side, and Used a LONG .020 Drill I had, as a reamer/file to carv out the chunks.. And the Down Stream Port of the Idle Circuit was also caked with Crud.. I used the same drill to open up the down stream port.. I used...

At low speeds in high gear use light throttle and late timing. As the car picks up speed, add more throttle and move the spark lever down. Adjust procedure for hills, mud, grades, etc. A Model T engine with a stock or near-stock cam and equal compression on all 4 cylinders and an ignition system and carburetor in good order will deliver nice,...

Here are the bumpers mounted. I hope this helps. Russ Furstnow

Thank guys for your assessments, that may help her to know where this was taken. Pete, you have a good eye about that car being a 1909, it even has 1908 painted on the side!

I worked at a radiator shop for ten years and we were the only ones in town that repaired gas tanks. Our method was---fill with water and dump while shaking the tank X three times. put the lit torch in the filler hole ( you might get a whoosh) then repair the tank with a patch and solder. bobt

It's a mechanic's tool. (Lisle?) The spoke like device has a selection of scraper bits for use with various types of pistons. You loosen the knob and turn the spoked wheel so that the correct bit is in position to use. A stock Model T would use a bit designed for a 1/4 ring groove. The tool is to be used carefully, taking out only carbon, and no...

Don't use those lock washers!

The stud type bearing sleeve retainer studs have holes for safety wire. no lock washers untill later with hex head bolts.

Casting date likely. 7/13/14. Dont assume it helps date the assembly of your T. My early '15 WIDE TRACK roadster has a 13 rear end with a 2 piece D/S. Due to its rarity & low production, I...

Similar to Frank's link:

There are/were two types of fibre gears. Tony's, being as old as it is, is likely to be a laminated fibre gear. These are far superior to the stuff available today, these being made from macerated fibre, ie. chopped fibre glued together in some kind of mix. They are like chalk and cheese as far as strength/durability goes.

Allan from down under....

My friend Lizzie will be delighted with William Braybrook as VP of the Michigan Chauffers Association!

Another great bunch of photos! Several coupes worth noting. One of them a removeable pillar coupe circa 1918, another interesting early one which has a step plate on the running board. In a recent thread I commented how seldom I see step plates on model T Fords in era photos. And yet, in this thread, not only did that 1918ish one have a step...

Another clue, the '24 bodies had a separate belt line molding, aluminum I think. 25's had the molding formed in as part of the upper body, but from a distance, they look pretty much the same. There are a few other small differences that I don't recall right now. Dave Sosnoski was the go to guy for these cars, helped me figure out that my '24...

I had a similar situation, pulled into the driveway. Opened the garage door and no drive……
I jacked up the rear end and I could turn both wheels and the other would rotate in the opposite direction. I looked inside the transmission and the clutch plate was turning with the crank. So I deduced it was either the UJ or broken pinion gear.
Out came...

I have to admit when I learn something new it is still a good thing. Especially things that aren’t really important. Moving ahead, though......... ok, so I ask someone to get my Alemite gun for me so I can grease my zerk fittings. What happens when I ask for my zerk gun, that will NOT work on model A type zerk ( new name here) fittings. See where...

To answer a couple of questions. The coupelet body was found in eastern Washington, probably around Spokane, as that is where the people who found it lived. I bought it from the son of the man who found it and restored it. In the as found picture the son is the young boy sitting in the body. It had been in the family since 1974.
As I am 78 years...

www.texastparts.com has good diagrams under free downloads. Good advice from Scott re: wiring. Definitely want a fuse. Mine are in front of the firewall for easy access.

John ...As I was typing my possible 'worn' post... I thought of the same. Maybe my sparkplug wire nuts, timer nuts, and coil standoffs. langs has a replacement nag post conductor... With the 'springy' end... But doesn't say if it comes with the nut (you can't take ANYTHING for granted, anymore!)

Great post Dan. I actually thought about 3 clips on each backplate with 120 degrees between them. I've always favored a quote attributed to Henry Ford I invented nothing new. I simply assembled the discoveries of other men behind whom were centuries of work

I am not sure Ford ever had a simple smooth transition of moderately significant changes during the model T years. The 1912 year and the transition from 1914 to 1915 style cars were probably the two worst timeframes.
1915 'closed' body Fords began actual production during the Fall of 1914. So, many of the pieces for the 1915 model year were being...

If your laptop has an external monitor port (probably VGA, maybe HDMI) then you can connect a monitor or perhaps your TV if it has a VGA or HDMI port. But you will need the appropriate data cable.

I would like to see them as well.

I tried the instructions but finally removed steering column and dash. Kept jiggling the tank and it mysteriously fell out.

Most of the tool rolls offered by the vendors are not correct. There are original examples out there, you just have to find them.

All I know is Dan makes some nice parts. 😁👍

David, if that is a problem, it would probably be OK to leave the Blockley nut in place, fit a bridge washer and then run the second not up to hold it in place. Even the junk bridge wsahers without the ridge would work. The fitting would then be like normal.
Allan from down under.

I have fitted Ford model A and also V8 gears to some unusual rear axles. Could be worth checking out.

I just buy a new 009 head and pinch the advance mechanism from operating. Plug and play

Let's go looking for them Darel. I see in the Redwood Gazette that Sandsger & Hegdal sold Goodyear tires in Belview in 1915. That must be the place.
How much could it have changed?
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The rods can be checked for bend and twist once you have them out. Still no need to pull the head, but probably easier if you don't have access to a hoist.

Allan from down under.

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To Jerry & Kim Kramer
Mark & Rena Atkins
The Richmond Boyz & Their Wive

Give Thanks To These Folks & All The Volunteers
Who contributed thousands of hours to build out
The MTFCA Museum & Annex

This Year …

The MTFCA Board Of Directors
Should consider issuing a
Certificate Of Merit
Honoring All Current & Former Volunteers...

Hey, Scott. Kilroy is on the trunk lid. Or should I say cooter hull.
Now I see it, to the right above the jail lock. I love it!

Post a picture. If the heel is ground back into the minor shaft diameter it is likely a poor quality regrind.

Frank, it's not your fault. Blame the goose who decided that liquid petrol should be called gas. :D :D :D

Allan from down under, where gas is a gas.

I once had a wheel I could not get off with either of the tools shown.

I ended up backing off the nut a couple of turns (so it was loose but not falling off) and then driving the car a little making tight turns both left and right.

That worked when nothing else would.

A very interesting Model T. A fun meet.

Darel

In the old days there were no driving schools or driving instructors. You went in to buy a car at the dealer and you were given a five minute instruction on how to drive and you were out the door and on your own from then on. Most often the problem was the nut behind the wheel and too proud to admit he or she was a fool so it was easier to blame...

Looking at your axle key. It appears in the photos, that end of the key, adjacent to the threads, is tapered. If that's true, then the key is installed upside down and backwards. The squared off end should be adjacent to the threads, and the tapered side should be facing down , to allow clearance for the shallowing of the keyway, as it approaches...

I get around scams like this by never sending money to anyone, no matter how noble the cause seems to be, then deleting the unopenened, unread, e-Mail. Jim Patrick

I have sent anything that is suspicious or unwanted to spam, unopened. The computer learns & self edits. I very rarely get garbage. I check the spam folder before deleting, just in...

Michael,
Go to the Horseless Carriage Club of America (HCCA) classifieds (parts for sale) and you will find that Eric Edwards has a number of early Ford Times magazines for sale. I hope this helps. Russ Furstnow

Should also smear a film of black oil resistant RTV around the outer rim of it prior to inserting. Holds it in place, and also
keeps any potential oil from seeping out.

I restored the model t camel delivery. It was on a roadster not a touring. You are correct it is a very nice car. I restored it for Joe Southward in Olivet Michigan probably about 1997. It was sold after his death and I have lost track of it. It’s a 17 with a later set of wheels on it. Nice car and Joe was a very nice guy. I miss him and his wife...