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This discussion has been extremely informative so far, and I have every expectation of learning much more from the upcoming write-up you are working on Hank. Thank you Hank (and all others on this thread as well) for sharing such helpful and beneficial information. I can't help thinking that the discussion that has taken place thus far is...

By no means hijacking this post, but I've just listed in the classifieds 9 articles on how to build one, some vintage and others newer. Great source of information in one place. Start building one now for that special surprise at Christmas

Michael

excellent of you to follow up with that review!

I was fortunate enough to be part of a team that did the 'quick T Build', at a motor show of historic vehicles, in the mid 1970's. We assembled, then disassembled ready for the next time, and did it every hour on the hour while the three day show was open,

Prior to, and as publicity for the show, we performed the assembly for television on a...

You can cheat a little length in the stud by winding the lower nut on just far enough to get the split pin in. Then back the plate off until it binds on the nut. This often means two or the thread coils are left above the plate.

Allan from down under.

What instructions are you looking for, install setup? There has been a lot posted on the web, try mtfca; AC brakes ( when I googled mtfca; AC breaks I actually got more hits, go figure! ;) )

Wow perfect! That's what I want to do!

Michael D, I imagine the first photo is of the 1912 transmission, the second is likely the unknown 1926 transmission he mentions. But good to point it out for the benefit of less knowledgeable readers.

Always happy to see your posts! Did I see your name on the Lang's calendar list again?

Tim,
I wonder if the complete engine unit that you have is the Heavy Duty HIMICO like the one in the later literature that I posted?
The Heavy Duty type as shown should have 2 inch journals for the connecting rods and main bearings and a gear driven oil pump. It also does not have magnets on the flywheel or a field coil, so it requires a...

Dan & John,

Thank you for the memories and the image of Larry.

In time- this thread will be forgotten and be referenced in a future keyword search now and again.

For anyone reading this - grab a smart phone with a decent video camera - sit down with a mentor or friend and let it just run ....

Save the Present for the Future.

Memories on video...

Can't get the photo to load, will try again later, maybe my internet service will be better.

Very interesting and educational topic, I followed along and had no idea until the mystery was solved.

Thnx everyone for the comments and Jeff for finally posting Mystery Solved...

Jan-
I'm sorry to hear about the passing of your Dad. I can remember when he used to fly in and out your place just outside of Eatonville. We'd be working and would hear him buzzing around and enjoying the sky. I hope you can post on the classifieds. Prices and pictures are a tremendous help. Also in February is the Early Bird swap meet in...

Make sure the valve ores are tight.

Use the metal caps that have a small rubber seal inside them, not the cheap plastic ones.

At her request, I visited Leon Parker's wife Barbara yesterday in Benton Kentucky.
We looked over Leon's stash of Model T and A parts and I bought all the ignition coils he had and one 1915 coilbox.
She also has many copies of Leon's plans for re-wooding a Model T body and they are for sale.
There are still many other Model T and A parts for sale...

Planning permission was finally passed June 5 this year

OIL, -- you will get many opinions :-)

Yes, most modern oils are better than those back in the day. Also we do not as high viscosity (thickness) as was needed back in the day due to technology improvements.

I run a 'non EP additive' 140 weight oil in my TT with a Ruckstell.
It is most important to use 'non EP' as the EP additive sits there...

Here are the cars from the St. Louis club before the parade started. We knew immediately that it was a military parade because we had to hurry up and wait.

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Thanks for all of your replies. Interesting stuff.

A rebuilt Stromberg OF runs $600 and up. A new 8N carburetor is $30 and runs strong on an 8N. So my last question is,

would an 8N carburetor run as well or better than a Stromberg OF on a Model T?

Magnifique!

Hard to see the piston issue as a blessing, but those nuts hitting the cam might have caused noise which could have been difficult to find, so going back through this again is time well spent.

Just want to have a little fun on nice weekends.
The seats were done 30 years ago, but some mice chewed holes, one several inches in diameter.
I plan on taking my time getting it ready, but no desire to have a show car..just a decent driver.

Wally

Melanie sent me this when I asked about the price.
$30 book and postage (media mail) or $32 with priority mail. Your choice

Rick

I have a Giant Power Head. Before fitting it I measured it and calculated 5.1:1 compression ratio.
It does have the 'squish' areas above the pistons.
It makes a significant improvement to performance.
On most of those hills where in High with the stock '26 head you gradually slow down from 30 to about 22, it holds 30 or close.

Before the Giant,...

Bob, you're on to something, I've experienced the same multiple wrong fender issue!

I've always blamed it on Gremlins in my shop at night. It's worrisome now to think it might be me!

You guys are great! I will see what I can do this weekend. I will try to post a video (not a real techie tho).
Thanks,
Wally

And there are bungee jumpers, base jumpers ( and other thrill seekers.

I suppose it's one thing to put the T through it's paces like that if you have access to $100.00 running vehicles....me - I value my T a little more than treating it that way. I'll trust the real news of 80-90 yeas ago that the car was capable of doing that, and treat my...

Bump to the top.

I plan on being there. Will have some items to sell, mainly running board tool boxes.

Thank you for the write-up Rich. One of the windshield panels in my '26 Runabout appears to be laminated but I cannot tell what the other one is. I plan to replace that one just to be safe.

Jay posted this a while back:

I can help on the first question.
Ford literature shows no Runabout for 1909/10 but had the mother inlaw seat on the fully equipped Roadster in 1909/10.
1911 Runabout had a fuel tank on the back and in 1912 called the Torpedo Runabout with the tank. Roadsters still with or with out the mother inlaw seat.

Thats why new cars cost too much ?

JF Carlin and Arthur Howell started making sheet metal parts for Model T’s in the 70’s as I remember. Carlin may have sold T wood parts also but don’t remember if they did. I had a parts catalog from Carlin and had bought some T sheet metal parts from Carlin and I started getting their parts pamphlets. I later threw them away a few years ago....

HCCA.org came up for me.
The Cars for sale appears to be down for maintenance😊

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It's one small sneeze away from crumbling:

I took my frames to a local glass shop in DeSoto, Missouri and asked them to remove the plate glass and install laminated safety glass. They did a great job and the price was very reasonable, IMO. :)

I believe I read somewhere that the round hole shells were on the Improved Ford.

C prefix is Canada. Numbers only went up to C780k in my book. The numbers 7 and 1 are sometimes misidentified on a dirty rusty block with poor lighting.
C10k would be 1913
C100k would be 1917
C700k would be 1926

Allan when I was gathering up parts for my TT (the one Dallas has now), I found two NOS Kelsey 23 rear wheels at different times that had never had hubs installed in them. One had those raised areas at the spoke holes, the other one didn't. Otherwise, they were identical. Don't have any idea why, just one more Model T (TT) mystery. :D Dave

Preston, do you have any idea where that cab came from? If it came from John Danuser(RIP) and the paint is faded yellow Zinc Chromate primer, I can give you the history of it back to 1964. It sure looks familiar. Dave

There still out there. Here's the Portland Assembly Plant in the day:

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Here is is today at SE 11th and Division. It now houses shops and the Genealogical Forum of Oregon , which is a remarkable historical library:

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My '15 in front of the building where it was assembled (we...

The if it isn't broke don't fix it, good idea. My only comment re the plugs, is they don't look to have been in that long going by the threads on the outside. but bottom line would be it's your call and if they are not in the way leave them.

Scott, our Canadian sourced cars all came with Kelsey loose lug wheels until at least mid 1925, and even the early ones in that range were still loose lug type. So we only saw welded lug 23 rims in the latter part of 1925, prior to the improved cars with 21 wheels. My barn find original 1925 ute has loose lug rims. 4 of them are dated 3-25 and one...

Burger, I can understand your love for glass insulators. Nothing like a bunch of insulators all in a row for a kid with the 22 he just got for Christmas.

Dick (Just kidding ...... don't shoot !)

Here is another side to Ron. As the article says, charity doesn't only mean giving money.
Ron gave freely of his time as well; in this case wildlife conservation.

Harry

Go for it! 3.25:1 works great in my roadster.

Allan from down under.

Great suggestion Kevin. I see Langs sells them but they are pricey at $62.75 apiece. Someone must have a patent on them. I don't see any others doing an internet search. I'll drive the car some and see if the short neutral range is a problem. The issue is my novice girlfriend wants to drive the car. A LOT.

Thanks for posting the pictures of RDR (Ralph Ricks). That 77 was my favorite of the many changes RDR did to his car / Picup as he called them. He had a very unique vocabulary. The car still resides on Old Pirate Lane and in his Son, Ross Ricks's, possession. It's now a pea green color and sporting a homemade wooden box on the rear which RDR used...

Glycerol (glycerine or glycerin) was the first antifreeze but was expensive to produce in the 30's. It is a colorless, odorless, viscous liquid that is sweet-tasting and non-toxic. Its use is being promoted again because it is a byproduct of producing Biodiesel. There are several types of antifreeze today green (ethylene glycol) and orange colored...

The tailgate is definitely a T tailgate. This style was also used on the first 1928 A pickups too. They found the hinge was weak, and they are, so they modified that hinge for the A's, but they will still fit a T. You mentioned in a phone call that there is a slight convex problem with that tailgate which could probably be corrected on a press if...

The door on the right has a curtain fastener that appeared in 1927.

I'll lip off and say it's a good thing you don't have a stock exhaust in your stash. Once I took off the cobbled together headers and put on original it took all the wind out of the sails and tossed out the torque...
I like your exhaust system!

Haha, Aye Duey I have no intention of putting the car back to stock as my plan is to gradually get...

The one I remember was Tighten till failure then 1/4 turn seems about right. :) . Jim

Thank you, Art

Langs has 160 & 180 degree Thermostat's and gaskets $8.25 & Gasket $1.95 P/N A-TH160 & A-TH180. My 26 touring with a water pump and no hot air pipe runs too cool and is slow to warm up could use a thermostat. The 26 truck without a WP and with a hot air pipe seems to warm up OK here in Texas but up North all bets are off. I would be concerned...

I spend a little time going thru some of the current catalogs. I found 2 references to gap, Snyder's was .010 and on the back page of Lang's there is a chart of sizes etc. While the .022 to .032 is listed there for cars made after 1913 if you read the notes at the top, it basically stated not to use for valves and cranks.

It is very photogenic and fun to look at.
Thanks to all.
Rich

Tip Top Timers

509-220-0892

Kinda off topic question for Adam. Were the axle tubes cold riveted too?

Calendars have been ordered. Again we only ordered a limited supply. You can place your orders online at. Congratulations again to all the winners and thank you to all those that participated this year!

Thanks Pete

Yes it is a Ford spindle. I have a pair. Right & Left with this forging mark. I just was wondering if they were Ford parts. It looks like they are, just made before everything had Ford marked on it. Thanks for the info guys!

I bought mine in August out of NY, it transferred to a PA title with no issues.

Thanks Kenny. My expectations were as you mentioned but wanted to get some second opinions. Thanks y’all.

Mark, about a dozen years ago I wrestled with a backrest installation, and finally figured out the maker left out a pleat. Not sure who made it as it came with the car.
One trick Is to always start at the middle and work your way out. Whether you are doing a top, or a seat. Also, your backrest pleats should line up with the seat pleats. Might...

And they still claim the time machine hasn't been invented...

This is the part I need. Of the many of Speedo cables I've seen and disassembled from cars and motorcycles from the 60's thru the 70's, I've never seen one with a plastic end like mine has. Someone somewhere at some point in time thought this up and clearly it was not a good solution. This type of plastic is quite pliable and easily distorted, and...

Yes, that’s where they go. Mine are held in place with two wood screws on the forward edge of the vertical channel. They are not structural and are there to tack the upholstery panel in place

Good! Have fun driving the car.
Norm

They are listed in several of the catalogs, Lang's, Snyder's and maybe Chaffin's etc. Personally I am not impressed on any of the designs sold. None of them are made with the understanding on HOW the Model A wheel is mounted that I can see. The Model A wheel was designed for 3 points of contact, none of which are the lug bolt holes. In fact, the...

back in the old days when i was wooding bodies.guys would buy kits here and there,then when they gave up putting them in, they would bring then to me after a while i would show them the wood stove.ha,ha. who ever made them didn't know there left hand from there right. maybe they are better know. charley

Ps. It appears that one of the broken brass pieces is held in please by the cap on the short side so it would be best to remove the end cap on the long side.

Michael

that is a very nice looking car

The cross member that Steve J may show a picture of has the sharpest, clearest, stamping I have ever seen. I have had and seen many cross members with faint stampings that even scraped and cleaned a bit were barely visible.

I believe that the Canadian made Fords after WW1 to mid 1920's used oval back light windows.

Matt, are you going to buy it or is it fair game?

The Newlydeads at Davis Graveyard this year:

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The Newlydeads ready for the night out:

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Rear HASSLER Pancake perches are slightly curved but similar. s-l1600 5.jpg
The lever arm shocks even with different number of forks have similar 2 piece (bolt & bracket) SteelBuilt 3.jpg
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Pretty neat hideaways, Allan!

The skeleton crews at work again.
Great photos.
Rich

That's another way to enjoy a model T.
Nice work.
Rich

Does Model T Haven still have the Aerocar? A friend nearby owned that car for a short time. It was a very interesting, original car. Alexander Malcomson formed Aerocar (competition to Ford) even while he was associated with Ford. He was ultimately forced out, selling his Ford stock for $175,000. Attached are a few more pictures.

Dan

Saves wear and tear on those rubber tires too!

Hank

It looks T to me, just a spring kit of some sort fitted.

The earliest keys (1914-1919 were not much more than a flat piece of metal, and a small, flat screwdriver would turn it. They got a little more sophisticated after that with a few tumblers and eventually grooved keys, but nothing like the locks of today.

Thanks Erik, I figured as much, he knows he provides an important resource for folks and will help us... Oof! You guys have the Minnesota shows so bloody far south! I felt lucky to have driven BACK, all the way from Delavan some weeks ago on a very OT project! It is a four cylinder tho. :)
Erik, You and your dad are valuable resources for...