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sad we lost all this good info

Post by tdump » Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:13 pm

I am reading about timers rght now because I am stumped as to why even with a new timing rod,my timer's rod connection hole is straight up when the lever is in retard position. I thought a new rod would put things back stock.I don't want to break my arm if I have to hand crank at some point..I thought it should be leaning toward the passenger side of the car a bit when in full retard.
But in reading,I stumbled over a link using google that put me on a old forum post.
And found this when I cliced the link.So apparently all that valuable info is lost?

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Re: sad we lost all this good info

Post by Norman Kling » Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:41 pm

Give us some more information on your car. Is it a stock T or a speedster. What about the steering column and the lever at the end of the column where the rod is attached? Is it stock for your car? Can the rod be bent to push the timer farther? The rod needs to be bent to either lengthen or shorten the distance between the steering column and the timer. One more thing. What type timer are you using? All these things could affect the timing of the engine.


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Re: sad we lost all this good info

Post by Scott_Conger » Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:03 pm

Mack, honestly it couldn't possibly be much beyond vertical due to interference with the pitman arm even if it could go "past vertical".

set the timing lever full "up", time the timer using whatever acceptable method you chose by lengthening or shortening the timing rod and have fun driving. Whether the timer is set correctly or is advanced has nothing to do with the "at rest" position of the connection hole.
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Re: sad we lost all this good info

Post by tdump » Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:06 pm

New day timer, new rod from Langs I think, stock 26 column. and short cast piece to hook rod to column.
OK, I will read the timing methods and get that took care of. I was skeptical about bending the new rod,thinking it was "correct" as made.
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Re: sad we lost all this good info

Post by TXGOAT2 » Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:16 pm

They are not correct as made. It is normal to adjust the length of the rod by carefully bending it. The less bending and re-bending, the better, so be careful. Avoid sharp bends.


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Re: sad we lost all this good info

Post by tdump » Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:09 pm

Ok, so I will get this done tomorrow.
Thanks,I didn't mean for this to be a "tech" thread but hey,help is where you find it.
I just thought it was sad that all the great work John Regan did for the hobby and now it is Poof.
I know sunday at the club tech session his name and regulators were mentioned.
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Re: sad we lost all this good info

Post by speedytinc » Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:20 am

New day timer brushes are notoriously "off" to the intended stock ford timer & require different bends.
This is why I made an adjustable timer rod so that I can correctly re-time depending on what timer & brush I use without mangling the rod each time.
Use the crank pin @ 15 degrees past method to set timing.

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Re: sad we lost all this good info

Post by CudaMan » Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:05 am

How to check timing - once set, bend rod as required to fit into the timer arm hole without moving the timer.

https://dauntlessgeezer.com/DG97.html
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Re: sad we lost all this good info

Post by Oldav8tor » Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:42 am

Mark's link is a good one. Steve Jelf's technique works well and I have used it to time several cars. I too have a NewDay. Once the timer is in the right position you bend the rod to fit - The rod will be a tight fit in spots but it will fit.
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Re: sad we lost all this good info

Post by Norman Kling » Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:11 pm

I have a 26 with an older New Day on it. The one with reddish brown color. When the spark lever is all the way up the tab on the timer is about 1/4 inch to the left of the large bolt at the top of the timing gear cover. I am standing in front of the radiator looking in and the tab is to the left of the bolt. That is the position where the timer is timed for about 10 degrees after top dead center. The rod is bent so it just fits between that point and the lever on the steering column. Note, you also need very little play in the rod and holes so it will move as soon as you pull the steering column lever down.
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