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Temporary Switch Plate

Post by paddy1998 » Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:09 pm

For openers, thank you to Andre Valkenaers and James Doell for providing the idea and information for wiring up these switches. Automotive electric is something that always seems to screw me up, and they made the wiring clear.

My ignition switch has been giving me problems (key stuck, won't turn, locks up in the off position when switching to magneto, sketchy headlights, etc.). I took it apart and cleaned the contacts, then when I put it back together the lights worked great, but battery was intermittent and magneto didn't work at all.

So I'm done fooling around with it; I'm going to send it out for repair.

In the meantime I want to drive while the switch is out for repair and found what Andre and James did here: https://mtfca.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=22664

This method allows you to make this modification without disturbing the integrity of the switch wire harness.

I used a two Gardner Bender On-Off-On single pole double throw switches (get the kind with screw terminals, not spade terminals) and a new ammeter (Snyder's #A-10850-C) and adapter ring (#T-5017-D).

The wiring is simple for everybody but me, because I stink at this. Fortunately, James Doell explained it in simple terms and I managed to get it right, even though I thought I had it wrong; turns out I was wrong about that too. :lol:

Step 1
The ignition switch is wired as follows: The blue Coil wire is screwed to the center input terminal. The red Magneto wire is screwed to one of the side terminals; the two Battery wires (yellow with black tracers, one from the ammeter+ and one from the #1 firewall terminal block) to the other side terminal. Also on this battery side of the ignition switch attach a short jumper to the center input terminal of the headlight switch.

Step 2
The headlight switch is wired as follows: The jumper from the battery side of Step 1 is screwed into the center input terminal. The Dim wire is screwed into one of the side terminals, and the Bright wire is screwed into the other side terminal.

For the taillight the wire has to be split so it can be attached to both the Bright and the Dim side. I accomplished this by making two short 14 gauge "jumpers" each with ring terminals on each end. Using a 3/8 #6-32 machine screw and nut attach one end of each "jumper" to the Taillight wire and tighten the nut. Then use a large heat shrink around the connection. Or electrical tape. Whatever, just use something.

Then take the other end of each of the jumpers and screw one to the Bright side of the switch and one to the Dim side of the switch. Done.

Cutting metal is not my favorite thing to do; it's a big mess and you have to wear all kinds of special clothes, like pants and shoes. So I decided to make my switch plate out of some 1/4 inch plywood (Birch, I think) that I had on hand.

Using 1/4 thick material allows you to use the original screws and nuts (#10-32, I think) to attach the plate to the dash. I made a pattern, cut the wood, used a piece of 3/4 inch PVC for the radii on the corners, sanded, drilled two 1/2 inch holes for the switches and one 1 and 3/4 inch hole for the ammeter. The adapter ring made the ammeter easy because the meter itself is an odd size and I would've spent a long time sanding to achieve a friction fit. I attached the ammeter ring to the plate with three #6-32 slotted brass machine screws and nuts.

My plan had been to finish the wood with a few coats of Rustoleum glossy black enamel, but after the dry fit of the ammeter and switches I decided that the wood looked too good to cover with black paint, so I used three coats of Minwax Polyshades Olde Maple single step stain and polyurethane finish, which I had on hand.

I think it turned out so good I might refinish my steering wheel and Ruckstell shift knob to match! :lol:

All told I think I've got $20 or so in this.

And holy cow, everything works so well!

I just might keep this and put the repaired switch on the shelf.

And the beauty of it is that I can go back to the original switch plate by just unscrewing connections and reattaching them to the original switch. No wires were cut or otherwise befouled in this endeavor. ;)
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Re: Temporary Switch Plate

Post by JamesD » Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:44 pm

Very nicely done! Glad I could help. The purists won't like it, but if it works and lets you enjoy your T I'm all for it. Like you said, there's nothing stopping you from returning it to original, nothing has been modified or butchered that can't be put back. Improvise, adapt, overcome.

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Re: Temporary Switch Plate

Post by paddy1998 » Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:01 pm

JamesD wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:44 pm
Very nicely done! Glad I could help. The purists won't like it, but if it works and lets you enjoy your T I'm all for it. Like you said, there's nothing stopping you from returning it to original, nothing has been modified or butchered that can't be put back. Improvise, adapt, overcome.
Hey, I used brass slotted screws on the ammeter. What more do the purists want? :lol:

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Re: Temporary Switch Plate

Post by Mark Gregush » Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:24 pm

I am going to do the same thing, but will be adding a switch just for the tail light. I think it looks just fine and adds a bit of custom to the otherwise black panel. Nice job! I am also going to add fuses for lights and horn(s) and get away from the terminal block with all those wires on each screw. :D
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Re: Temporary Switch Plate

Post by Professor Fate » Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:10 pm

Fate likes the plate!👍
I'm going this route too. Thanks for
the post and info.
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Re: Temporary Switch Plate

Post by AndreFordT » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:53 am

If I should, temporaly, replace my switch, the way Scott did, I should use one "on-off" and two "on-off-on" switchs.

One "on-off-on" switch is connected the way Scott connected the ignition switch.
For the lights I should start with the "on-off"switch. One side connected to the yellow (battery)wire. Don't forget the fuse in that line. The other side connected to the black rear light wire.
With a jump wire starting at the connection with the black rear light wire and going to the middle connection of the second "on-off-on" switch.
The side connections of this switch are for the bright and dim light in the front.

To make the electric complet just use a bridge wire between the Amp. meter ( battery side) and the yellow wire side of the "on-off" light switch and from the Amp.meter (battery side) and the battery side on the ignition switch.

Just trying to help.

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Re: Temporary Switch Plate

Post by paddy1998 » Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:42 am

Today I drove to work in my Touring (6 miles) and it worked great.

Something strange though: ordinarily about 3 miles into this drive my water temp would reach the middle of the circle, and by the time I arrived it would be near the top of the circle (but not boiling).

Today it reached the bottom of the circle about 3 miles in, and never got higher than about 1/3 of the way up the circle.

The only change I made was these switches with very good contacts.

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Re: Temporary Switch Plate

Post by Scott_Conger » Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:27 am

Believe it or not, simply driving INTO a gentle breeze will make the car run cooler than having a tailwind.

I could concoct a story regarding spark strength and perhaps more optimum timing setting on today's drive, but that would be a bunch of speculative hooey. I think you just had a nice day for a drive and it is a WHOLE lot better when the car runs as it should...I might even guess that this is a first for you and your car, right?

It's always great when an owner has a breakthrough moment and finds that they can get out and enjoy their car without constant minor issues or outright breakdowns.

good for you.
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