Throttle Rod Position on My NH Carb

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Throttle Rod Position on My NH Carb

Post by BLB27 » Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:36 pm

The first photo shows the position of throttle rod with the throttle lever closed and the second photo shows the throttle rod with the throttle lever wide open. Is the set screw in the first photo in the correct position?
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Re: Throttle Rod Position on My NH Carb

Post by RVA23T » Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:32 am

Yes it is correct.
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Re: Throttle Rod Position on My NH Carb

Post by Allan » Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:12 am

The set screw is your idle adjust stop. Screw it in or out to set the idle, and you are done.

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Re: Throttle Rod Position on My NH Carb

Post by bobt » Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:21 am

I concur with Allan from down under again. bobt


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Re: Throttle Rod Position on My NH Carb

Post by TXGOAT2 » Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:34 am

The set screw is used to set the hot idle speed.

Adjust it to get the lowest smooth idle speed with the engine warmed up and the hand throttle lever fully up.

With the hand throttle lever in the fully down position, which is wide open, the throttle stop on the carburetor throttle lever should be against the carburetor body. The one in the second photo does not appear to be.

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Re: Throttle Rod Position on My NH Carb

Post by DanTreace » Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:34 am

Wide open, your throttle rod is too short.

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Re: Throttle Rod Position on My NH Carb

Post by Scott_Conger » Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:39 am

Dan, maybe too long? ;)
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Re: Throttle Rod Position on My NH Carb

Post by speedytinc » Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:30 am

You have an early(long) throttle arm on your carb. It should be the later short.
It has been bent up to get an idle stop. Works, but you lose full throttle opening.

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Re: Throttle Rod Position on My NH Carb

Post by Mark Nunn » Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:25 pm

The Ford NH in my Runabout is like Bruce's. With the throttle quadrant up against the stop, the idle screw is touching the carb body. With the quadrant fully down, I do not get wide open throttle. Mine opens a little more than Bruce's but not much. I have a Kingston L4 that I rebuilt. It has a shorter throttle lever and full throttle opening.


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Re: Throttle Rod Position on My NH Carb

Post by speedytinc » Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:50 pm

I notice something up with your choke lever. The lever shaft sticks out too far & there is no return spring.
The butterfly in its proper location would prevent this some.
Without the choke spring, (not as much a factor on a 26-7, but still possible) The choke can close on its own with a road bounce & kill the motor.
That occasional & intermittent stalling is hard to diagnose & will drive you nuts.


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Re: Throttle Rod Position on My NH Carb

Post by speedytinc » Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:52 pm

speedytinc wrote:
Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:50 pm
I notice something up with your choke lever. The lever shaft sticks out too far & there is no return spring.
The butterfly in its proper location would prevent this some.
Without the choke spring, (not as much a factor on a 26-7, but still possible) The choke can close on its own with a road bounce & kill the motor.
That occasional & intermittent stalling is hard to diagnose & will drive you nuts.

It is also the incorrect lever for this application.


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Re: Throttle Rod Position on My NH Carb

Post by Scott_Conger » Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:40 pm

John

look again...closely...there's a spring
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Re: Throttle Rod Position on My NH Carb

Post by speedytinc » Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:48 pm

I do see it. Thanks.
It looks much smaller than normal. I thought it might have been a worn spot.
Anyway, the lever is out so far, its near off the end of the stop.


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Re: Throttle Rod Position on My NH Carb

Post by Scott_Conger » Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:07 pm

Yes, it is, and one must wonder what kind of choke plate is in it that would even allow for such a misalignment.
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Re: Throttle Rod Position on My NH Carb

Post by RajoRacer » Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:04 pm

Where did you procure that carburetor from Bruce ? It appears that they didn't do you any favors. Corey Walker does good work if need be !


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Re: Throttle Rod Position on My NH Carb

Post by BLB27 » Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:26 pm

Here are some photos taken during my restoration of the carb.
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Re: Throttle Rod Position on My NH Carb

Post by Scott_Conger » Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:58 pm

Two issues

One: the brass post on top of the carb that screws in - that is a tapered pipe thread and the part is made wrong. The tapered thread is too large in diameter...the hex should be able to run down and either touch or nearly touch the top of the carb. Don't try to tighten it more...it won't go. You will have to buy a split die to run on successive times, each with the die a little smaller, trying to thread the part onto the carb after each time you run the die onto it. When the hex seats against the carb, you're done

Two: the two "fingers" which clamp over the above part usually are too long and crash into the hex before the needle seats. You will need to cut off about 3/32" length of those fingers.

Once the brass fitting is short enough as installed, and the "fingers" can run down further, you should find that you can turn the needle all the way down and gently seat it against the jet in the carb. Thus seated, you can now unscrew 1 1/2 turns, start the car and screw back in until the car runs correctly after it is warmed up.
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Re: Throttle Rod Position on My NH Carb

Post by BLB27 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:59 pm

Based on comments received, I have ordered the short throttle and chock levers from Lang's. The catalog lists the NH long levers for 1919-25 and the short levers for 1926. I am curious. Why the difference?


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Re: Throttle Rod Position on My NH Carb

Post by speedytinc » Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:15 pm

BLB27 wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:59 pm
Based on comments received, I have ordered the short throttle and chock levers from Lang's. The catalog lists the NH long levers for 1919-25 and the short levers for 1926. I am curious. Why the difference?
Actually the long levers are 20-23 NH. Short levers 23-27 applications. 24 or 25-27 the short choke lever has a dog leg on the lower arm.
This is for clearance for the single control choke wire in late 25-27 applications.

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