Need help

Discuss all things Model T related.
Forum rules
If you need help logging in, or have question about how something works, use the Support forum located here Support Forum
Complete set of Forum Rules Forum Rules

Topic author
Ron Patterson

Need help

Post by Ron Patterson » Mon Dec 25, 2023 4:34 pm

Anyone have ideas how to tighten the encircled nut.
It is 5/8 across the flats and a normal
-marked.jpg
5/8 end wrench is very ackward.
Ron Patterson


Kerry
Posts: 1447
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:42 pm
First Name: Frank
Last Name: van Ekeren
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1916 touring, 1916 pick-up, 1924 coupe, 1926 touring, 1927 touring
Location: Rosedale Vic Australia

Re: Need help

Post by Kerry » Mon Dec 25, 2023 4:39 pm

If you have a spare ring spanner then cut a piece out the width of the pipe.


Erik Johnson
Posts: 1055
Joined: Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:25 pm
First Name: Erik
Last Name: Johnson
Location: Minneapolis, MN

Re: Need help

Post by Erik Johnson » Mon Dec 25, 2023 5:04 pm



James Yuill
Posts: 36
Joined: Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:52 pm
First Name: James
Last Name: Yuill
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1926 coupe
Location: Brighton Mich
Board Member Since: 2023

Re: Need help

Post by James Yuill » Mon Dec 25, 2023 5:38 pm

Very awkward..no room. I put a new shut off valve to the carb and used an open end wrench and had to attack it on an angle with the top of the wrench angled toward firewall. It's a slow process but worked for me.
JYuill

User avatar

George House
Posts: 2814
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:25 pm
First Name: George
Last Name: House
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: ‘10 Maxwell AA, ‘11Hupp Model 20, Two 1914 Ford runabouts, 19 centerdoor, 25 C Cab,26 roadster
Location: Northern Caldwell County TX
MTFCA Life Member: YES
Board Member Since: 1999

Re: Need help

Post by George House » Mon Dec 25, 2023 5:48 pm

Sacrifice a 5/8” open end wrench to the bench grinder god… thats 3/4” to the left and 5/8” on the right. It’ll quickly do the job.
Attachments
IMG_1638.jpeg
A Fine is a Tax for Doing Something Wrong….A Tax is a Fine for Doing Something RIGHT 🤔


Topic author
Ron Patterson

Re: Need help

Post by Ron Patterson » Mon Dec 25, 2023 6:13 pm

Thanks Dan
knew what it was but couldnt come up with the correct name.
Ron Patterson


jiminbartow
Posts: 2433
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:55 pm
First Name: James
Last Name: Patrick
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1926 Coupe
Location: Bartow, FL
Board Member Since: 2001

Re: Need help

Post by jiminbartow » Mon Dec 25, 2023 6:34 pm

The 4th wrench down, the “tubing or line wrench” is what you need. It is basically a 6 sided box end wrench that has a slot cut out of it to allow it to fit over the tube then slides onto the nut.

You can make one of these by using a Dremel tool with a metal cutting disc to cut a piece out of a thin walled, 12 sided box end wrench, wide enough to allow it to clear the tube, then you can slide it onto the hex fitting. With a slotted box end wrench you have 12 sides instead of 6 so you don’t have to turn it so much during repositioning. Turn it, slide it off, reposition, slide it back on, turn it, etc. Jim Patrick

IMG_8339.jpeg
IMG_8342.jpeg
IMG_8342.jpeg (60.5 KiB) Viewed 2282 times


South Park Zephyr
Posts: 272
Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2023 4:33 pm
First Name: Scott
Last Name: Francis
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 22 Runabout
Location: St Louis MO
Board Member Since: 2022

Re: Need help

Post by South Park Zephyr » Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:39 am

I have had a set of these wrenches for years.
A google search of “offset head open end wrench” will get you to several sellers
Attachments
IMG_0883.jpeg


jiminbartow
Posts: 2433
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:55 pm
First Name: James
Last Name: Patrick
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1926 Coupe
Location: Bartow, FL
Board Member Since: 2001

Re: Need help

Post by jiminbartow » Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:10 pm

I don’t believe an open end wrench will work because the sides are too fat to fit in the space on each side of the hex fitting, unless the sides of the wrench are ground down thin enough to fit into the spaces. Jim Patrick


Harvey Bergstrom
Posts: 122
Joined: Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:12 pm
First Name: Harvey
Last Name: Bergstrom
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1924 Touring
Location: Cayuga ND

Re: Need help

Post by Harvey Bergstrom » Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:18 pm

All you should need to do is take off the hood shelf on that side and you should have plenty of room to disconnect the gas line.

User avatar

TWrenn
Posts: 3743
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:53 am
First Name: Tim
Last Name: Wrenn
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: '13 Touring, '26 "Overlap" Fordor
Location: Ohio
Board Member Since: 2019

Re: Need help

Post by TWrenn » Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:36 pm

Harvey Bergstrom wrote:
Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:18 pm
All you should need to do is take off the hood shelf on that side and you should have plenty of room to disconnect the gas line.
That just adds way too much work to it.
This ain't rocket science. Like Jim said...get that offset open end wrenches and cut the sides down thinner so they fit in. I've been using a small crescent wrench for years with no issue. The hardest part is just getting the stupid nut to line up square enough to the threads to get started. No matter what you use, you're just gonna have to be patient enough as you'll only get very short turns each time. It'll get there!

User avatar

RajoRacer
Posts: 5171
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:18 pm
First Name: Steve
Last Name: Tomaso
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1914 Touring, 1919 Centerdoor, 1924 TT C-Cab Express, 1925 Racer
Location: Longbranch, WA
Board Member Since: 2001

Re: Need help

Post by RajoRacer » Tue Dec 26, 2023 1:18 pm

Do yourself a favor Ron & purchase a set of flare nut wrenches - inexpensive and you'll find other uses for them !

User avatar

George House
Posts: 2814
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:25 pm
First Name: George
Last Name: House
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: ‘10 Maxwell AA, ‘11Hupp Model 20, Two 1914 Ford runabouts, 19 centerdoor, 25 C Cab,26 roadster
Location: Northern Caldwell County TX
MTFCA Life Member: YES
Board Member Since: 1999

Re: Need help

Post by George House » Tue Dec 26, 2023 2:07 pm

Jim, the second half of your sentence is exactly what I was suggesting and pictured. Heck, you don’t need “12 sides” to tighten or loosen that fuel line nut. 😂
A Fine is a Tax for Doing Something Wrong….A Tax is a Fine for Doing Something RIGHT 🤔

User avatar

Susanne
Posts: 1119
Joined: Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:06 pm
First Name: Susanne
Last Name: Rohner
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: Late '15 touring, "Angel".
Location: Valfabbrica, (central) Italy
MTFCA Life Member: YES
Board Member Since: 1999
Contact:

Re: Need help

Post by Susanne » Tue Dec 26, 2023 2:43 pm

Crowsfoot socket will work as well... Connected to a T handle slid all the way to one end, it makes a decent job of it.

User avatar

DanTreace
Posts: 3812
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:56 am
First Name: Dan
Last Name: Treace
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: ‘12 open express,'23 cutoff, '27 touring
Location: North Central FL
Board Member Since: 2000
Contact:

Re: Need help

Post by DanTreace » Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:38 pm

Why buy a modern wrench?

Your Ford tool kit came with the proper tool, works fine.

The 1917 Band Nut and Pack Nut Wrench. The ends of the jaws of this wrench are factory formed splayed or slightly apart, so applying the wrench also at an angle will allow the wrench jaws to easily pull up that pack nut! ;). That is also why the trans band end works too, as you approach the band nut also at an angle.




1917 Wrench pack nut end.jpg

1917 wrench for pack nut.jpg

Pack nut end band wrench.jpg

IMG_0004 (1590x1188).jpg
The best way is always the simplest. The attics of the world are cluttered up with complicated failures. Henry Ford
Don’t find fault, find a remedy; anybody can complain. Henry Ford


Allan
Posts: 6609
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:21 pm
First Name: Allan
Last Name: Bennett
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1912 van, 1917 shooting brake, 1929 roadster buckboard, 1924 tourer, 1925 barn find buckboard, 1925 D &F wide body roadster, 1927LHD Tudor sedan.
Location: Gawler, Australia

Re: Need help

Post by Allan » Tue Dec 26, 2023 6:17 pm

See Kerry's first response. Subsequent posts suggest the same thing, but I suspect they didn't recognise what a ring spanner is. How you guys get a box wrench out of a circle is beyond comprehension. Does it hark back to the horse and cart days when axle nous were square, like a box? ;)

Dan, I must check out using T1917. Makes perfect sense.

Allan from down under


Dennis_Brown
Posts: 245
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:14 pm
First Name: Dennis
Last Name: Brown
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1926 Roadster pickup
Location: Spring Hill Fl

Re: Need help

Post by Dennis_Brown » Wed Dec 27, 2023 12:11 pm

I saw a ratchet and socket set years ago that I wish I had. It was one that the sockets slipped into the ratchet and were of a tubing wrench design. You lined up the opening and slipped it over a tube and could tighten down the flare nut. Slid it backwards and lined up the slot and took the wrench off. It was not big and bulky and more the sise of a 3/8 ratchet handle.


vping
Posts: 251
Joined: Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:01 pm
First Name: Vincent
Last Name: Pina
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1925 Tudor Sedan
Location: Farmingdale

Re: Need help

Post by vping » Mon Jan 01, 2024 8:52 pm

Was dealing with this today. Don't seem to have that wrench in my collection, so a small metric adjustable and little turns did the trick.
Attachments
Screenshot_20240101-205210_Gallery.jpg

Post Reply Previous topicNext topic