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Barn Find TT

Post by SamInStL » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:04 pm

This morning I looked at a Barn Find for sale by the granddaughter of the original owner. It is a true one-owner vehicle, she still has the original title and accompanying paperwork and it hasn't been out of the garage and barely looked at since 1939. It has a wooden body that grandpa used for transporting vegetables to market and it looks like he sold them retail from the back of the truck. The body is ultra cool and in easily refurbished condition. I would love to restore the driveline and make it into a "Barn-Fresh" driver EXCEPT it's a TT with that cussed worm drive rear end. My question: is it possible to put a car rear axle under a TT? Maybe modify the TT driveshaft to accept a pinion gear? Maybe lengthen the car driveshaft? Maybe make a new driveshaft? Should I just forget the whole idea and not buy it? Any suggestions?


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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by Allan » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:09 pm

Buy it!!!!! Then, if you must go harder, and you want to preserve it rather than restore it, fit a new KC Warford truck ratio transmission in the driveline.

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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by Dallas Landers » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:12 pm

You can install a warford or other auxillary trans to give overdrive. High speed ring gear gives more speed also. Mine has high speed gears and a Chicago 3 speed. I hit 42mph once! Stopping is the next thing to consider. Mine will run 30mph comfortably. My normal speed is about 25. These parts are available without re inventing the wheel. Sounds like a great truck that should be back on the road. Hint Hint! :D
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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by John kuehn » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:45 pm

Going by your description the truck is a genuine barn find! It’s not an older semi restoration that was left in a garage 20 years ago and recently found.

I would document it if you buy it and if it’s in pretty solid shape clean it and do a refresh of the car. They don’t show up in an unrestored good condition very often any more and you’ve made a real find.

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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by RajoRacer » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:57 pm

I have a 3 speed Warford & a high speed Ruckstell in my Gramps' TT - I can cruise at 30 - 35 mph comfortably.


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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by tom_strickling » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:00 pm

Buy it and don't restore it. It's only original once. If you need a high speed ring gear they turn up once in a while, so do auxiliary transmissions, 30 MPH is plenty fast enough.

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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by RustyFords » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:30 pm

I'd be all over it. Rebuild the mechanicals as needed and leave the body alone as much as possible. Glorious old interior fabrics, while beautiful, typically don't last very long once they start seeing regular use. As for the metal, I've used some stuff called Penetrol to preserve and bring out old paint while avoiding the wet, oily look. It seems to really like the black Gilsonite paint that Ford used for many years.

There are auxiliary transmissions that can help with the TT rear end.

And....please post photos.
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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by Burger in Spokane » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:28 am

My TT will keep up with the cars. Been clocked at 48, wound out, but will
cruise comfortably at 35. Stopping is more of concern than going.

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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by DLodge » Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:16 am

People have been asking Sam for pictures of his barn-find TT and he asked if I would post these for him.


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Mr. Wagner also decided at some point that he needed a way to let people know if he was going to make a left turn. If you look carefully, you can see a board hinged at the top with a work glove at the other end and a piece of rope that the driver can pull to extend the "hand."

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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by Dallas Landers » Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:26 am

What a unique truck. It needs to be on the road again. What a great project it would be. I look forward to more on this truck.


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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by Burger in Spokane » Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:29 am

That is beyond cool ! This is an early truck, with the 23" rear wheels.

What a fantastic time capsule !!! :shock:
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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by DLodge » Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:38 am

A couple of better pictures of the "turn signal."

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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by RajoRacer » Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:40 am

How cool is that ????? Very peculiar design !

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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by TRDxB2 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:13 pm

I would "refurbish it" that is fix mechanical items and repair/replace the body parts to retain the original design. Having said that and keeping with what the others said I would not "restore it". Just wash the painted surfaces and make the rest of the repairs to match that aged look. In other words everything needs to work around the door (left untouched). The challenge to make the rusted fenders and hood etc match the door - dents are okay but not broken brackets.
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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by Steve Jelf » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:41 pm

That is wonderful. I love the turn signal. I would replace the rotten canvas and preserve the rest of the body as is, except the glass, of course.

I agree, do not try to cobble a car rear axle into it. If you must go fast, an aux transmission and external brakes would be the way to go.
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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by John kuehn » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:45 pm

This ladies and gentleman is a GENUINE BARN FIND old vehicle that happens to be a Model T TT truck!
It actually hasn’t been touched! Even has the untouched dirt and grime on it.

And as others have said get it so it will be OK to drive but no more than a refresh and not a restoration.
Clean the gas tank, change the oil and replace the radiator hoses and replace the wiring. It’s not that hard to do and it’s easy to follow the wiring diagrams. It’s not rocket science.
Replace the coils or send them out to be rebuilt and try to get it started. And of course you’ll need some new tires. Take your time and don’t get in a hurry.
Nice to see one that’s a Real barn find and good luck!


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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by Mark Osterman » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:38 pm

Wasn’t there a Buster Keaton film with a turn signal like that? Anxious to see pictures of it out in the daylight. Preferably a cloudy bright day with no hard shadows.

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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by RustyFords » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:39 pm

Oh wow....that is just stunning. The signage, the bodywork, the turn signals....everything.

I love it and would consider it a dream to slowly go through the old girl and return her to service. I'd handle that like an archaeologist and just revel in every second of it.

Wow.
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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by RustyFords » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:44 pm

Sam...if you're not going to buy this, please let me know.

I have a trailer ready to head to MO....I'm totally serious.
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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by SamInStL » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:15 pm

When I heard about this Barn Find only ten miles from my house I jumped at the opportunity but wasn't expecting a TT. My disappointment faded quickly as I explored and when I saw the turn signal I was hooked! It is totally complete and unmolested (Except for the junk piled all around it of course). It is indeed a time capsule and Don's comment about handling it like an archeologist is exactly what my plans are. I guess you have to be a little crazy to be in this hobby. Now if I can only convince my wife!!


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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by Dallas Landers » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:18 pm

Sam, when you get it out, please take lots of photos of the truck. I am really interested in the body construction. Well said Don. Back in time if you will. I found hand made dowls filling holes in the bed floor and other repairs that told some history of my truck. I cant wait for more photos!


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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by YellowTRacer » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:44 pm

Thank you so much for showing it to us. Finally a true,real barn find.

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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by Allan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:55 pm

Sam, when I bought Henrietta, my barn fresh original cut down T buckboard, a large part of the considerations was arriving at a valuation which was both realistic and acceptable to the family selling their Dad's old car. I was fortunate that a similar car had been both bought and re-offered at auction just a few months earlier, so there was a recent precedent around which to base an offer. From the family's point of view, they were really pleased to know that I wanted to preserve Henrietta as she was, as a statement of her preservation and history. This made parting with the car less of a wrench for them. My one real regret is that their dad passed away a couple of months before I got her back on the road.

I have no idea of the considerations you have to deal with, but outlining your intentions for the old dear may make the transaction that much less stressful for all. Your greatest problem may be deciding the value you put on your own feelings/reactions to the vehicle and the responsibilities you may be taking on. I'd go for it in a heartbeat.

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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by Burger in Spokane » Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:10 pm

I've told this story here before, but my interest in T-era cars goes back to my earliest years.
In 1969, my parents bought a farm, east of Seattle and at the age of 8, the world of woods
and creeks and barns and fields became my playground. Over the hill from our place was
another farm, owned my Mrs. Miller. It was really derelict, .... just the kind of place I like.
And in her barn was a TT just like the one I own today. It sat next to other farm equipment,
including a Fordson tractor of similar vintage. Everything was dusty, but looked like it was
ready to go to work at the pull of a crank. We kids played on those things, and I swore that
someday I'd have one just like that. A major part of my interest ISthat whole time capsule
thing, and I use and drive my truck like it is just a truck, ... not some cute novelty, to be dragged
out to car shows and parades. Something to make people do a hard double take, because for
a brief moment, 1934 just appeared and then trundled on down the road with a load of lumber
hay. I will let the paint get ratty and the patina of use and age to wear on it to a point it looks
like that old truck in Mrs. Miller's barn.

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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by RustyFords » Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:29 pm

Sam, I’m putting together a 24 Touring that I’m making look like it was a complete car put away during WW2. My starting point was an incredibly well-preserved original paint body, with a thoroughly exhausted drive train. But nearly everything else was gone. So my car is a re-creation. I believe it’s a good one, and I’m pretty sure it was put away at the end of the war, but it’s a re-creation.

Your TT is the real deal....and just spectacular in so many ways. I could spend months or years just geeking out on its details.

Please keeps us updated with photos and info. I’m into all kinds of antique preservation and sympathetic restoration and might be able to offer advice as you go along.
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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by Thorlick » Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:30 pm

Dick, I really like rough looking old trucks like that. Then I saw the painted door on that.... hey I lived in Webster Groves in 1976-1977! Terrie and I had just married and I was still in Dental school down the road. I didn’t see any old cars there then. I didn’t even see anywhere one could be hiding! I am amazed that this truck was hiding there, in fact I can’t remember even seeing any barns there!

Thanks for sharing this find!

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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by Dropacent » Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:38 pm

The stooges would have had an old boxing glove in place of the cotton glove. Great truck, and they are only original once.


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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by Dropacent » Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:41 pm

Brother Tom Strickling has a very nice original TT Not many around, fer sure

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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by DLodge » Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:14 pm

Thorlick wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:30 pm
Dick, I really like rough looking old trucks like that. Then I saw the painted door on that.... hey I lived in Webster Groves in 1976-1977! Terrie and I had just married and I was still in Dental school down the road. I didn’t see any old cars there then. I didn’t even see anywhere one could be hiding! I am amazed that this truck was hiding there, in fact I can’t remember even seeing any barns there!
Terry, Sam is really the one who shared the truck here on the forum, I just posted the pictures for him. My parents and I moved into the Webster Groves School District in 1949 (though we were in Warson Woods). The truck was in Rock Hill, but it's very possible that Rock Hill was not yet a separate city in 1921 (hence the "Webster Groves" on the door).

Where did you live in Webster? I lived in Holland in 1976 but Anja and I moved back to the St. Louis area in 1977. There were a number of active old car clubs in the area then, including the Model T Ford Club of Greater St. Louis (an MTFCA chapter that is older than the MTFCA itself!).


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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by SamInStL » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:27 am

For a host of personal reasons not related to the vehicle I have decided not to buy it and would like to see it go to a loving, respectful home. I am not backing away because of anything related to the truck. I'd love to have it but.........I want to emphasize that this is a TRUE barn find pretty much untouched since the original owner parked it in dry storage during 1939. The body is solid and the mechanicals are all present. When I told the owner I was no longer going to buy it she immediately put it on an auction site with the clock ticking. If any one of you win the bid members of the St. Louis chapter will help you open the tomb and get it on your trailer.

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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by Allan » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:52 pm

There you go Don! Just replace your F truck. I hope you win it. I like the way you have been working on your tourer. With such a rare opportunity, your experience will be invaluable.

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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by PeterN » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:22 pm

Very cool. There’s a video linked from the auction. I’ve pasted it below.

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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by Junk poor » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:26 pm

Sold for $4125

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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by RustyFords » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:31 pm

I was bidding on it.

A bit too rich for my current situation. The CINC vetoed anything over $3500.

I hope it went to someone who will treat it with respect.
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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by Susanne » Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:59 pm

I really liked the woodwork on it, but there was no way I could get a trailer, transport it here, etc... especially in these Covidian Times... Someone has a beauty of a body for $4K, plus a truck chassis. Hope they do it right.

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Re: Barn Find TT

Post by DLodge » Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:46 pm

Do we know who bought it? Is it anyone here on the forum?

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