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Two Problems

Post by 4banger1988 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:28 am

Hi
My name is Patrick i come from germany,my english is not so good.
I have a Model T from 1926/27

The first problem is that my first gear does not work properly, on the straight it goes but as soon as a mountain comes, it no longer makes it, second gear works fine.
I have already renewed the brake bands but they didn't get any better. I forgot to bathe them in oil first.
Now I've bought new cams and I hope that's because I can't think of anything else

Do you still have ideas? Or do you see what is wrong in the pictures?

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The second problem is, I found this sheet metal plate in the oil pan, it's from the magnetic disk
the car has been running so far.
do I really need this?
because that would be a bit more work, right?

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greetz
thanks patrick

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Re: Two Problems

Post by CudaMan » Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:39 am

The piece of metal is a magnet clamp off of the flywheel. It looks like it bounced around inside the transmission and damaged some of the magneto coils. If a magnet lets go while the engine is running it will cause catastrophic damage, looks like you caught it just in time.

You need to pull the engine out and rebuild the flywheel and magnet assembly. You also need to rebuild or replace your magneto coil assembly on the back of the engine block.

Your new bands look good, If they were adjusted properly I don't know why your low gear wasn't working well.

If you don't already have it, you need to get the Ford Model T service manual:

https://www.modeltford.com/item/T1.aspx
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Re: Two Problems

Post by Dan Hatch » Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:40 am

Looks like a hand gernade with pin pulled.
You need to fix it before it blows. It could take the rest of transmission with it or worse. Dan


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Re: Two Problems

Post by jab35 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:48 am

And it looks like a wide brake band lining on a pre '26 band? Good luck with your repairs, Patrick. jb

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Re: Two Problems

Post by CudaMan » Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:04 am

Good catch James, I didn't notice the narrow metal band on the brake.

Patrick, the wider rear brake drum uses a wider metal and fabric band, You have the wide fabric, but not the wider metal band. Here is what the wider metal band looks like, note that it is the same width as the wide fabric. There is one on eBay if you can't find one locally:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1926-27-Ford-M ... SwHlhfUpFk
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Re: Two Problems

Post by aDave » Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:58 am

You take GREAT pictures Patrick.

Good luck with the repairs...it is VERY important that you fix the magneto as others have said. Will save you many dollar if you do it now.

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Re: Two Problems

Post by Norman Kling » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:38 am

While you have the engine and magneto apart, you should check all the magnets for cracks and replace any which might be cracked. The usual place for cracking is where the bend is made . While they are apart, re charge the magnets. Note every other magnet polarity is reversed. That is +--++--+. So if you need to replace any magnets, be sure to get the right ones for the location. It does not matter in what order the magnets are installed on the flywheel, except for the polarity. You want the two like poles together at each place where that iron strip is fastened. You should also get new brass bolts for the magnets.
Do you have anyone who lives near you experienced in Model T's? It would surely help if you can find a mentor to help you.
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Re: Two Problems

Post by TonyB » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:57 am

I strongly suggest you acquire the booklets put out by the MTFCA regarding both the transmission and the electrical systems. While pnot inclusive of the early cars, they are invaluable for all black radiator Model Ts.
They will help you solve both your problems.
You do need a correct band for that brake band. Suggest you advertise on the Classified and suck up the shipping or find a friend who travels to the USA.
You can fix the magneto but it will be cheaper to switch to a distributor and remove the magneto. Just an idea.
But get the booklets. 😊😊
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Re: Two Problems

Post by 4banger1988 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:11 pm

thank you for all replies.
Does it really need to be fixed with the flywheel?
There's a lot of work to do to remove the engine, of course if it's necessary I'll do it.
But I already have a distributor / battery conversion
then do i even need the magneto?
And I've been working on us cars for many years.
Have the Model T now for a good 4 years

greetz patrick

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Re: Two Problems

Post by CudaMan » Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:54 pm

You don't need to have a working magneto coil if you run a distributor, no.

However, your biggest problem is that a magnet clamp came off and your flywheel assembly may come apart during running and destroy the rest of your transmission!

You can fix it now or wait a few drives for it to explode, then fix it. Hopefully the explosion won't damage the transmission case or engine pan.
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Re: Two Problems

Post by StevenS » Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:14 pm

You need to pull the engine. I am pulling mine this winter because I found a magnet clamp and some brass screw heads when I changed the oil this year. Google MTFCA transmission exploded

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Re: Two Problems

Post by ABoer » Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:29 pm

Patrick ; Das werd viel arbeit , Das habe ich shon viele mahle gemacht .
Ich denke so nicht weiter fahren .
Alles bestens.

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Re: Two Problems

Post by Kerry » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:03 pm

For your first problem, it looks like the clutch is not tight enough and would be slipping on hill climbing, should have 13/16" between the drive plate and the fork push ring adjusted on the 3 fingers, with that right the spring should be 2" long.
Second problem. As others have said, engine out and remove all the magneto.


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Re: Two Problems

Post by Norman Kling » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:14 pm

I have had experience with the low problem. I think you are on the right track by replacing the notch and the cam. When these two parts wear out, you can get the pedal adjusted right, however, because of the wear, it won't compress the band, and if you tighten it enough to compress the band, you will be too tight at idle, or when in a gear other than low. The result is a cracked drum. possibly even a drum which breaks in pieces and stops your car.
The other part, I have already explained in a previous post. You can as Tony suggests place a distributor or even run the coils on battery, however, you will still need to pull the engine and transmission and either remove all magnets from the flywheel or fix the existing magnet. Especially to replace that metal keeper and brass screw. While it is apart, you can correct the clearance from the magnets to the coils to prevent this from happening again. Because you could still lose a magnet and destroy the transmission cover or even injure yourself it it flies off while driving.
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Re: Two Problems

Post by Philip » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:35 pm

I suspect you have more than 2 problems lol. I am sure I do we well


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Re: Two Problems

Post by dhosh » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:53 pm

Griaß di!

I agree with the others:

Check clutch spring adjustment.

Get wider brake band for the brake material. (This will not effect your hill climbing, however... Just braking ability on the way down!) The band material is correct... But the brake band is too narrow.

That metal piece came from your magneto... And you are lucky you found it so early. Loose pieces in the transmission are 'ticking time bombs', as we say... It is not IF they cause trouble, it is WHEN. As I believe you said you were running a distributor, and not using the magneto, anyway, you can safely remove it. You could rebuild it later I'm your spare time.... It would be good foe viele Weiß'n, I think! ;-)

If you do take the engine and transmission out to remove the magneto ring... Many also remove the magnets. Due to their age, they are prone for cracking or breaking... More flying pieces... And then an out of balance flywheel. In the process of removing things, you will have a chance to inspect your clutch plates. I think it is possible you may find some issues there, also. It is certainly good to inspect everything while taking things apart.

I pulled my engine and transmission out this spring, and am not putting it back together. I found many things that needed to be replaced, or cleaned up!

Where in Deuchland are you? Anywhere near Neu Ulm?

Best of luck!

phia't di

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Re: Two Problems

Post by 4banger1988 » Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:39 pm

Hi
many thanks for the numerous answers.
I already love this forum hehe.
I'll do it like this, pull out the engine and remove the magneto completely.
I will then look at everything and send pictures here again. You have been doing this with the Model T's for many years.
Because if I pull the engine then I'll do everything. The engine runs so far, I don't want to overtake this one first.

Yes, it's not far from Ulm
my zip code is 74575
greetz patrick


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Re: Two Problems

Post by dhosh » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:37 pm

Very good Peter... I think you are on the right track. :-) I asked, as probably 20 + years ago, we traveled to Bayern with our community band... Stayed in Neue Ulm, and visited Ulm, and the great Ulmer Münster. Our host family picked us up in an old timer ... A 1930s Chevrolet, I believe. The youngest son was doing an apprenticeship for old timer restoration. I wish I could remember his name. His brother was Gunther Prinz. It would certainly be a small world if you happen to know of him!

Best of luck. Much learning comes of taking these apart.... And successfully puting them back together again! 😜

Greetz,
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Re: Two Problems

Post by 4banger1988 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:26 pm

Hello

The plan is now to pull the engine, and then I remove the complete magnetic flywheel! I don't need this when converting the distributor.
What someone has told me now because I always start lever on battery and leave it on battery when driving!
he said then my 6 volt battery is quickly empty because I can no longer switch to magneto.
Would you then also say convert to 12 volts?
so I can bypass the magneto ignition
He said only buy a 12 volt alternator, 12 volt bulbs back and front ready.
The rest of the electrical system can handle 12V.greetz patrick


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Re: Two Problems

Post by Norman Kling » Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:10 pm

Note: When you remove the magnets from the flywheel, you will lose their oil slinging ability, so you need to put slingers on the flywheel to replace the magnets. You need the oil slingers to send oil through the engine because the T does not have an oil pump. Refer to other posts to find out how to do this. I think some of the parts suppliers have slingers for sale.
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Re: Two Problems

Post by Quickm007 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:36 pm

Hi Dennis,

Here the link for oil slingers you will need. Personally I will prefer having a working magneto in the goal to have a better performance than running on battery. But it is your choice. Good luck and don't gave-up.

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Re: Two Problems

Post by Quickm007 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:38 pm

I said Dennis but it is for Patrick :lol:
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Re: Two Problems

Post by 4banger1988 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:47 am

Ok I will buy the oil slingers
I no longer installed magneto ignition / box.
already have distributor ignition.
would have to build everything back again

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