2 vs 4 hole quadrant
Forum rules
If you need help logging in, or have question about how something works, use the Support forum located here Support Forum
Complete set of Forum Rules Forum Rules
If you need help logging in, or have question about how something works, use the Support forum located here Support Forum
Complete set of Forum Rules Forum Rules
-
JBog
Topic author - Posts: 287
- Joined: Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:42 pm
- First Name: Jason
- Last Name: Bogstie
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1919 Touring
- Location: Cheyenne, WY
- Board Member Since: 2019
- Contact:
2 vs 4 hole quadrant
Why did Ford switch from 4 holes to 2 on the handbrake quadrant? Is there any design benefits from the change or dimension changes to the quadrant?
-
George House
- Posts: 2814
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:25 pm
- First Name: George
- Last Name: House
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: ‘10 Maxwell AA, ‘11Hupp Model 20, Two 1914 Ford runabouts, 19 centerdoor, 25 C Cab,26 roadster
- Location: Northern Caldwell County TX
- MTFCA Life Member: YES
- Board Member Since: 1999
Re: 2 vs 4 hole quadrant
Ol’ Henry was always looking at ways to save $$. So he might’ve saved 1.5 cents per car going to the 2 rivet quadrant.
A Fine is a Tax for Doing Something Wrong….A Tax is a Fine for Doing Something RIGHT 
-
John kuehn
- Posts: 4433
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:00 pm
- First Name: John
- Last Name: Kuehn
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 19 Roadster, 21 Touring, 24 Coupe
- Location: Texas
Re: 2 vs 4 hole quadrant
In Henry’s production line less time meant more money.
Two less holes to drill in a quadrant and in the frame. A few seconds here and a few seconds there. And 2 more rivets that could be used on the next quadrant and frame that were left over from the one before!
Two less holes to drill in a quadrant and in the frame. A few seconds here and a few seconds there. And 2 more rivets that could be used on the next quadrant and frame that were left over from the one before!
-
JBog
Topic author - Posts: 287
- Joined: Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:42 pm
- First Name: Jason
- Last Name: Bogstie
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1919 Touring
- Location: Cheyenne, WY
- Board Member Since: 2019
- Contact:
Re: 2 vs 4 hole quadrant
I guess that makes sense. Interesting!John kuehn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:16 pmIn Henry’s production line less time meant more money.
Two less holes to drill in a quadrant and in the frame. A few seconds here and a few seconds there. And 2 more rivets that could be used on the next quadrant and frame that were left over from the one before!
-
Wayne Sheldon
- Posts: 4249
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:13 pm
- First Name: Wayne
- Last Name: Sheldon
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1915 Runabout 1913 Speedster
- Location: Grass Valley California, USA
- Board Member Since: 2005
Re: 2 vs 4 hole quadrant
The thing that always amazed me is why he didn't make that change several years earlier? I totally 'get' the whole 'consider history in the context of its time' thing! I OFTEN tell other people that. It is the keystone of actually understanding history! Just memorizing details and dates is not understanding history.
In the beginning of the Model T years, the four rivets would have simply been a continuation of how similar mechanisms were done. However, by 1915, it should have been obvious that four rivets was overkill.
I suspect it was simply a matter of priorities. For the first five years of model T production? It was all about getting the manufacturing process ironed out. Henry was building the largest assembly line the world had ever seen! This wasn't some short year-long project. This was funneling hundreds of parts, many of them made from dozens of smaller pieces, to the right place at the right time. This was several floors of operations upon several acres of land with a hundred doors in and one door that completed cars were driven out (a bit of poetic license there?)!
That Henry was able to imagine this, that alone shows the genius of the man. (Regardless of the limited education he had!) That he was able to build it and make it work shows the strength and the drive of the man! By the time the black radiator cars began being built, it was mostly refining the process, improving the cars while lowering the costs, and so forth. At any time from then on? I am a bit surprised that this one detail wasn't addressed sooner. However, there were plenty of other things that needed constant attention.
In the beginning of the Model T years, the four rivets would have simply been a continuation of how similar mechanisms were done. However, by 1915, it should have been obvious that four rivets was overkill.
I suspect it was simply a matter of priorities. For the first five years of model T production? It was all about getting the manufacturing process ironed out. Henry was building the largest assembly line the world had ever seen! This wasn't some short year-long project. This was funneling hundreds of parts, many of them made from dozens of smaller pieces, to the right place at the right time. This was several floors of operations upon several acres of land with a hundred doors in and one door that completed cars were driven out (a bit of poetic license there?)!
That Henry was able to imagine this, that alone shows the genius of the man. (Regardless of the limited education he had!) That he was able to build it and make it work shows the strength and the drive of the man! By the time the black radiator cars began being built, it was mostly refining the process, improving the cars while lowering the costs, and so forth. At any time from then on? I am a bit surprised that this one detail wasn't addressed sooner. However, there were plenty of other things that needed constant attention.