35 patches on my tube!
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35 patches on my tube!
I'm sure yall are used to this but i was flabbergasted. There are 35 patches on the tube inside the spare tire of my 24 Coupe. I would patch it but there was a fold that the last repair job failed to unwrinkle and it caused a long leak that i just dont want to trust with a patch. That tube has some history though. Could it be 99 years old? . I wish i could hear all those stories. It speaks of how self reliant people were back then... and now It's disappointing some people cant find an address without a phone. Anyway i will mount that tube on the wall (Its gorgeous) and i bought a new one. the split rim has lost its little connecting piece so im welding on a substitute. My other tire gets its first patch. I bought a rim stretcher/shrinker tool on the evil bay and am having fun playing model T.
BIll B
No matter how you shake and dance the last few drops go down your pants.
No matter how you shake and dance the last few drops go down your pants.
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Re: 35 patches on my tube!
Bill, sounds like you have a tireless tube.
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Re: 35 patches on my tube!
No rim flap ?
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Re: 35 patches on my tube!
35 patches a rim flap make 

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Re: 35 patches on my tube!
If the patches are on the side toward the tread, that car might have driven over cactus. However, I don't think the tube would work unless the tire itself were replaced, because the needles go into the tire and will continue to work their way into the tube.
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Re: 35 patches on my tube!
That's clearly a car owner who would have been better off spending and extra $2 and getting the tires that go flat on the TOP instead of the BOTTOM!
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Re: 35 patches on my tube!
Sadly, the tube will likely begin to disintegrate rather quickly. That usually happens when very old innertubes are removed from their long hiding place.
Innertubes in the old days were made from mostly natural rubber. That natural rubber is extremely susceptible to two things. Any amount of UV rays, even indirect sunlight! And most types of ozone. Ozone is formed naturally about everywhere on Earth, as well as a component result of combustion or any significant electrical activity. And one thing we humans do is create ozone!
Inside the tire, is almost no air exchange in the tight spaces between the innertube and tire. If the tire maintains some amount of pressure inside, there won't be much space between the innertube and rim either. Lack of air exchange does a pretty good job of keeping ozone out! The tire and rim also do a fine job of keeping the innertube in near total darkness (no UV)! So an innertube kept inside a tire and rim can and they often do last for many decades!
What color is the innertube? Black? Red? Or white? Black innertubes may last for awhile, maybe even several years. Red rubber innertubes will break down much faster. Likely a few months at most, or even only weeks. If by the rare chance you happen to find a very old white innertube? I had one once, actually still do? I didn't know such a thing was inside a tire and rim I had bought at a swap meet. The tire was trash, and I needed the rim. In a few spare minutes before leaving on a family trip, I took it apart and discovered the white innertube! It was very fragile, and had literally welded itself to the inside of the tire. I trying very carefully to remove the tube, it tore, in spite of me trying to be careful. And we had to leave. I carefully hid the tube in a very cool dark place in the back of a clean storage shed. When I returned from the trip, less than a week later? The white rubber innertube was a puddle of white goo on my shelf. Yes, I still have it. A puddle of white goo inside a gallon freezer zip-lock bag.
Once removed from their secure hiding place, old rubber tubes usually break down quickly.
A few very old red rubber tubes I have? I remounted inside very old tires I have mounted on rims (not solid enough to run on a car!). These are mostly pre WWII tires I want to keep as display items. Who knows? Maybe those red rubber innertubes can last another half century or more?
Innertubes in the old days were made from mostly natural rubber. That natural rubber is extremely susceptible to two things. Any amount of UV rays, even indirect sunlight! And most types of ozone. Ozone is formed naturally about everywhere on Earth, as well as a component result of combustion or any significant electrical activity. And one thing we humans do is create ozone!
Inside the tire, is almost no air exchange in the tight spaces between the innertube and tire. If the tire maintains some amount of pressure inside, there won't be much space between the innertube and rim either. Lack of air exchange does a pretty good job of keeping ozone out! The tire and rim also do a fine job of keeping the innertube in near total darkness (no UV)! So an innertube kept inside a tire and rim can and they often do last for many decades!
What color is the innertube? Black? Red? Or white? Black innertubes may last for awhile, maybe even several years. Red rubber innertubes will break down much faster. Likely a few months at most, or even only weeks. If by the rare chance you happen to find a very old white innertube? I had one once, actually still do? I didn't know such a thing was inside a tire and rim I had bought at a swap meet. The tire was trash, and I needed the rim. In a few spare minutes before leaving on a family trip, I took it apart and discovered the white innertube! It was very fragile, and had literally welded itself to the inside of the tire. I trying very carefully to remove the tube, it tore, in spite of me trying to be careful. And we had to leave. I carefully hid the tube in a very cool dark place in the back of a clean storage shed. When I returned from the trip, less than a week later? The white rubber innertube was a puddle of white goo on my shelf. Yes, I still have it. A puddle of white goo inside a gallon freezer zip-lock bag.
Once removed from their secure hiding place, old rubber tubes usually break down quickly.
A few very old red rubber tubes I have? I remounted inside very old tires I have mounted on rims (not solid enough to run on a car!). These are mostly pre WWII tires I want to keep as display items. Who knows? Maybe those red rubber innertubes can last another half century or more?
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Re: 35 patches on my tube!
When you're ready, why not hang it up on the wall, and spin wild tales to those that inquire? Many more smiles to go that way for sure!
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Re: 35 patches on my tube!
Bill, somewhere around 1 dozen, I think that they cease being called "patches" and become "badges"!
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Re: 35 patches on my tube!
Wayne Sheldon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:09 amSadly, the tube will likely begin to disintegrate rather quickly. That usually happens when very old innertubes are removed from their long hiding place.
Innertubes in the old days were made from mostly natural rubber. That natural rubber is extremely susceptible to two things. Any amount of UV rays, even indirect sunlight! And most types of ozone. Ozone is formed naturally about everywhere on Earth, as well as a component result of combustion or any significant electrical activity. And one thing we humans do is create ozone!
Inside the tire, is almost no air exchange in the tight spaces between the innertube and tire. If the tire maintains some amount of pressure inside, there won't be much space between the innertube and rim either. Lack of air exchange does a pretty good job of keeping ozone out! The tire and rim also do a fine job of keeping the innertube in near total darkness (no UV)! So an innertube kept inside a tire and rim can and they often do last for many decades!
What color is the innertube? Black? Red? Or white? Black innertubes may last for awhile, maybe even several years. Red rubber innertubes will break down much faster. Likely a few months at most, or even only weeks. If by the rare chance you happen to find a very old white innertube? I had one once, actually still do? I didn't know such a thing was inside a tire and rim I had bought at a swap meet. The tire was trash, and I needed the rim. In a few spare minutes before leaving on a family trip, I took it apart and discovered the white innertube! It was very fragile, and had literally welded itself to the inside of the tire. I trying very carefully to remove the tube, it tore, in spite of me trying to be careful. And we had to leave. I carefully hid the tube in a very cool dark place in the back of a clean storage shed. When I returned from the trip, less than a week later? The white rubber innertube was a puddle of white goo on my shelf. Yes, I still have it. A puddle of white goo inside a gallon freezer zip-lock bag.
Once removed from their secure hiding place, old rubber tubes usually break down quickly.
A few very old red rubber tubes I have? I remounted inside very old tires I have mounted on rims (not solid enough to run on a car!). These are mostly pre WWII tires I want to keep as display items. Who knows? Maybe those red rubber innertubes can last another half century or more
I love the feedback.. thanks! and yes its kinda red. You can tell those patches are all different places and from different patch kits, with different shapes and colors and they look like they have grown into the tube and become one if you get my meaning.
BIll B
No matter how you shake and dance the last few drops go down your pants.
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Re: 35 patches on my tube!
35 beats my record. I have tubes with patches that are cracking. Some let small bubbles out.
Patching tires is quite a vocation and has its own rewards for those who enjoy it.
Patching tires is quite a vocation and has its own rewards for those who enjoy it.
When did I do that?
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Re: 35 patches on my tube!
I’m with Professor Fate. That’s a wall hanger for sure.
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Re: 35 patches on my tube!
it did have a rim flap and it was made out of paper?
BIll B
No matter how you shake and dance the last few drops go down your pants.
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Re: 35 patches on my tube!
All the patches were probably fixing paper cuts ! (Just Kidding)
I’ve probably changed close to 200 T tires and never seen paper for a rim flap. Next to the regular, modern high-quality tapered rubber flaps most of us have seen, canvas and a felt type material seem to be the most widely used back in the day.
I’ve probably changed close to 200 T tires and never seen paper for a rim flap. Next to the regular, modern high-quality tapered rubber flaps most of us have seen, canvas and a felt type material seem to be the most widely used back in the day.