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A what is it question

Post by CTLeonard » Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:55 am

The local VFW regained possession of a T that was original to the little town. One thing that sticks out is the hole in the cowl . Sure looks to be a factory looking hole. Anyone know what it is? Thank you
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Re: A what is it question

Post by DanTreace » Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:03 am

With a matching hole on the passenger side, would think someone added electric cowl lamp that had single post, like early Chevy.

Or could have used a later Model A style cowl lamp, those have a post with flange the might have made that impression in the sheet metal.

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This fancy runabout had lots of extra lamps, one on the fender, one on the cowl and even the dressy 'lantern' on the running board!


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Re: A what is it question

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:09 am

For a spare tire carrier?


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Re: A what is it question

Post by Norman Kling » Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:22 am

That whole cowl is not original. It should be flat from the hood to the door.
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Re: A what is it question

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:27 am

Norman Kling wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:22 am
That whole cowl is not original. It should be flat from the hood to the door.
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I think the question is about more than strictly the hole. I think the OP is wondering also about the formed area around the hole. Other than that, this appears to be a stock cowl.


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Re: A what is it question

Post by Norman Kling » Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:32 pm

Look at the first picture. The cowl between the hood and the door. Not just around the hole. That raised area to the left of the door looks similar to a 1928 or 1929 A. The whole panel from the hood to the door should be flat. See picture attached.
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Re: A what is it question

Post by RajoRacer » Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:10 pm

You are correct Norm but it is a closed car cowl.


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Re: A what is it question

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:12 pm

Norman Kling wrote:
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Look at the first picture. The cowl between the hood and the door. Not just around the hole. That raised area to the left of the door looks similar to a 1928 or 1929 A. The whole panel from the hood to the door should be flat. See picture attached.Rumble3.jpg
The car in question is a Sedan or Coupe. The car you pictured is a Roadster. Two totally different cowl shapes.

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Re: A what is it question

Post by BRENT in 10-uh-C » Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:17 pm

If it just has the one hole, my guess would be that it was for a radio antennae.


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Re: A what is it question

Post by Norman Kling » Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:05 pm

I didn't realize the second picture posted was of a different car. I guess I was wrong.
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Re: A what is it question

Post by signsup » Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:05 pm

In my other hobby, military vehicles, we wonder till the cows come home what Bubba drilled that hole for. We may never know. If it's drivers side, my initial thought would be some sort of spot light. I would think most radio antennas get mounted on the passenger side, but it's Bubba's car, he can do with it what he wants.
I guess the consensus is that it is not factory. So, what for? The world wonders.
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Re: A what is it question

Post by Bryant » Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:58 pm

Maybe since it is original to the town there is someone left that knows what was there or has pictures of it from the past.
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Re: A what is it question

Post by Allan » Thu Mar 28, 2024 6:49 pm

There were some bun type side lights with fixed mounting studs on the side rather than the usual rear studs. If there is a corresponding hole on the other side, they could be sidelight mounting holes. The indentation is such that it would aim the lights to the front. It would save the cost of the brackets, something of which Henry would approve.

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Re: A what is it question

Post by Norman Kling » Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:37 pm

If the T has the original coils, the radio would not work. I have driven a modern car with an AM radio while the T was idling. The radio had static for about 200' from the house. Maybe if they had a distributor they could modify it with resisters or resistor plugs or something like the modern cars use.
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Re: A what is it question

Post by Mark Gregush » Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:23 pm

Would think the VFW would have photos from the past showing the car in action or the local newspaper.
I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas! :shock:

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