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Re: Fit for a queen.
Thanks Tom for another selection of vintage photos. FYI photos #9 and #10 show New York State Troopers first wiith the winter uniform hat and next with the traditional Stetson worn most of the year. The NYSP was formed in March of 1917 as a rural mounted patrol on horseback. The Model T was introducted in 1919. Police radios were not introduced until during WWII. Prior to that tme when your cow was stolen or child missing, citizens would report the situation to the Postmaster. When Troopers rode their horses into town the would go to the Post Office to get their complaints. When teleophones became more common the Sgt., at the staton, would take the complaint over the phone and contact business's who would place towels on their roadeside mailboxes. When a Trooper saw the towels, they would stop, use the business phone to call the station then go and conduct the investigation. The original "Community Policing"
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Re: Fit for a queen.
Several very interesting cars and pictures.
The first one is fit for a queen. One of great Britain's incredible prewar model Ts. With an appearance very different from American and Canadian Fords, it is difficult to be sure of the year model. Pretty much everything about the body and fenders are unique to their Fords of the era, including the windshield. It could very well be a 1912, possibly even earlier. It could be as late as a 1915, although even by early 1915 England was cutting back on frivolous production for the upcoming war effort.
Number three is a nice late 1915/'16 with electric horn and black lamp trim. But look at those whitewall tires!
Number two (above it) also has a top of the steering column horn button, making it a late 1915 through 1917. Note the small button handle spark and throttle levers, also making in not an early 1915. Notice also that it is a studio photo with the backdrop.
Number six appears to be an early 1912 (probably late calendar 1911 build) with the foredoors.
Number eight. Not certain that is a top of column horn button or not? But a really good look at a whitewall tire. The two tires on the ground I am not sure if they are whitewalls or all whites? And the wheel on the running board is a puzzler. It does not appear to be an after-market accessory "demountable wheel" wheel. Rather it looks like a standard front hub without a bearing in it. But I could again be wrong?
Number ten. What is it with the whitewalls this bunch? I knew a long time ago that there were some white walled tires in that era. But the scarcity of era photos actually showing them had me convinced they were exceptions, not the common rule. In the recent several years, I have been looking even more closely at literally thousands of era photos. I have found that often, the shade differential between the tread and sidewalls has been obscured by dirt, lighting, and photo technologies. That in fact a high percentage of tires in the mid 1910s into the early 1920s were whitewalls. It is interesting to understand that in those years, whitewalls were NOT a fashion statement! It was in the mid to late 1920s that whitewalls became fashion statements.
Still seems odd to have several clear shots of era whitewalls all at once.
Number twelve. More whitewalls!
Thirteen and fourteen both appear to be all white tires! Can't tell what is under all those people in thirteen. Fourteen is another bulb horn earlier 1915.
Number fifteen is a 1913 touring car, with an apparently later curved rear fender. I wonder what is on the other side?
Number sixteen is a wonder. A nice young lady behind the wheel of an unusual model T? Throttle handle, windshield, and sidelamp appear to be about 1912. The windows into the back right behind her, and the fancy curves and scalloping of part of the body suggest maybe a circus wagon? Or popcorn vendor?
The first one is fit for a queen. One of great Britain's incredible prewar model Ts. With an appearance very different from American and Canadian Fords, it is difficult to be sure of the year model. Pretty much everything about the body and fenders are unique to their Fords of the era, including the windshield. It could very well be a 1912, possibly even earlier. It could be as late as a 1915, although even by early 1915 England was cutting back on frivolous production for the upcoming war effort.
Number three is a nice late 1915/'16 with electric horn and black lamp trim. But look at those whitewall tires!
Number two (above it) also has a top of the steering column horn button, making it a late 1915 through 1917. Note the small button handle spark and throttle levers, also making in not an early 1915. Notice also that it is a studio photo with the backdrop.
Number six appears to be an early 1912 (probably late calendar 1911 build) with the foredoors.
Number eight. Not certain that is a top of column horn button or not? But a really good look at a whitewall tire. The two tires on the ground I am not sure if they are whitewalls or all whites? And the wheel on the running board is a puzzler. It does not appear to be an after-market accessory "demountable wheel" wheel. Rather it looks like a standard front hub without a bearing in it. But I could again be wrong?
Number ten. What is it with the whitewalls this bunch? I knew a long time ago that there were some white walled tires in that era. But the scarcity of era photos actually showing them had me convinced they were exceptions, not the common rule. In the recent several years, I have been looking even more closely at literally thousands of era photos. I have found that often, the shade differential between the tread and sidewalls has been obscured by dirt, lighting, and photo technologies. That in fact a high percentage of tires in the mid 1910s into the early 1920s were whitewalls. It is interesting to understand that in those years, whitewalls were NOT a fashion statement! It was in the mid to late 1920s that whitewalls became fashion statements.
Still seems odd to have several clear shots of era whitewalls all at once.
Number twelve. More whitewalls!
Thirteen and fourteen both appear to be all white tires! Can't tell what is under all those people in thirteen. Fourteen is another bulb horn earlier 1915.
Number fifteen is a 1913 touring car, with an apparently later curved rear fender. I wonder what is on the other side?
Number sixteen is a wonder. A nice young lady behind the wheel of an unusual model T? Throttle handle, windshield, and sidelamp appear to be about 1912. The windows into the back right behind her, and the fancy curves and scalloping of part of the body suggest maybe a circus wagon? Or popcorn vendor?
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Re: Fit for a queen.
Looking more closely at the GB roadster in the first photo, it does appear to be somewhat earlier! Being British, details and timelines could be a bit different. However, The radiator has a short neck, and the sweeping "wings" on the "Ford" script, likely 1910 or even maybe 1909? The front spindles also appear to be the early one piece style, another vote for 1910ish. Crank handle appears to be brass plated. The car is likely a 1909 or 1910 UK bodied car. I love that windscreen!
I really like the whole car!
There appears to be another brass model T behind it. Wish we could see both of them.
I really like the whole car!
There appears to be another brass model T behind it. Wish we could see both of them.
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Re: Fit for a queen.
I'm actually surprised by how many of the buildings in the old picture are still standing in Mt. Morris, MI. We know it as the location of Crossroads Village, a kind of Greenfield Village type attraction on a smaller scale. Crossroads does an excellent holiday train, their locomotives are former D&RG narrow gauge steamers. When I was a kid, they used to to stage a 'train robbery', where 'bandits' would ride up on horseback, jump on the train then 'rob' it. It was a lot of fun for a cowboy lovin' little kid. They've since done away with that, unfortunately.
v/r,
jason
v/r,
jason
My other car is an Amish Drag Buggy.
Barnstormers VSC
Si vestri 'non prius novissimo
Celeritate Est Vita
Antique Vehicle Mechanic- Greenfield Village
Barnstormers VSC
Si vestri 'non prius novissimo
Celeritate Est Vita
Antique Vehicle Mechanic- Greenfield Village