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And We're Off! Possible Law Changes

Post by Charlie B in N.J. » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:42 pm

I suppose some of you have heard about Kevin Hart's accident. The Califunny Highway Patrol apparently takes some accident cars apart something like they do to aircraft to determine a cause. The story I just read talks about changes in laws governing collector cars. Talks about safety and what might be mandated for these cars. 3 point seat belts are mentioned + a few other items. Don't see how the T would ever be made to meet some of these "suggestions" but whatever the outcome of this investigation we might be seeing problems ahead.
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Post by Atomic Amish » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:58 pm

I read that too.

Reminds me of an argument I had with my mom over my 64 Impala SS when I was in my late teens. She was of the opinion that I was breaking the mandatory seat belt law in Michigan because my car didn't have any. I added a lap belt, but she thought (and now that I'm a parent I understand why) I needed a shoulder belt to comply.

So I called the local police and asked. After a couple minutes, the nice young lady came back and said that if they weren't OE, then they weren't technically necessary, but highly recommended.

I'm sure in the case of a car like a T, her advice is probably correct.
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Post by Scott_Conger » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:47 pm

Car in question was modified from 4 seats to 2, and was carrying 3 passengers. It was modified with an 800HP Hellcat engine driven by someone not trained for such power, and was doing burnouts prior to speeding down a mountain road and rolling down an embankment. If any of these things fit with a T, then be worried.

Regarding seatbelts in a T, you really have to see the result of a T rollover to appreciate what the passenger(s) will experience, and then you may be convinced that you're safer without belts (or not).

I don't have them and it's not because I have a death wish...in fact quite the opposite.
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Post by AndyClary » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:47 pm

It was a challenger or cuda I think. Coming off Mullholland I would guess the problem was too much throttle travel. Not a problem in a T.

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Post by George House » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:24 pm

Love your assessment Scott..Right on ! I don’t see a problem with Califunny’s legislative reaction to the Kevin Hart incident. Might even increase the Model T owners/drivers from that state to Texas and other reasonable jurisdictions 😜
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Post by Henry K. Lee » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:46 pm

Scott and George

I see you are highly professional cabinet makers striking nails straight on.

Watch.., Cali-fruity will wind up suing the crap out of the guy who installed the engine!

My theory, simple, never build a car for someone who can not handle it. Money buys a lot and that includes misery in disguise.

Had a guy years back wanting me to build a RS/SS Camero for his son, High perforformance to the hilt. Kid 16 years old.., I said “No way, not here, you will kill your son”! He left mad as hell! 6 months later, he was making funeral arrangements.

Some people need to wake up! Lawyers love this crap!

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Post by aDave » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:37 pm

1970 Barracuda rolls at a quarter to 1:00 Sunday morning????

How can that possibly influence Model T Fords?

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Post by Mark Osterman » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:59 pm

Had I seat belts on when I flipped this back in 2000 I wouldn't have walked away from the accident.
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Post by Charlie B in N.J. » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:07 pm

seems I didn't explain it clearly enough. doesn't matter what was done to the car or who was driving they are insinuating that the riders would have done better injury wise with seat belts and the possibility of requiring classic cars that don't have them to get them. I don't believe that the possible fact that getting thrown out of a T instead of wearing belts will play very well.
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Post by kelly mt » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:09 pm

I lost the brakes in my Roadster on a very steep mountain road over in Idaho and the last thing I wanted was seat belts. I wanted ejection seats!


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Post by Scott_Conger » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:14 pm

Pat

as an aside, what kind of brakes were they?
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Post by thom » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:19 pm

I've been told that our '21 Touring is the only one with a drivers side airbag. Reckon what they mean? :?

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Post by Will_Vanderburg » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:09 pm

the fact that they were doing crap in a car that they should not have been doing, and contributed to their own accident, I highly doubt Model Ts will EVER be affected.
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Post by kelly mt » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:50 pm

Scott, they were stock cotton linings that were old and came apart. It was my first T so lack of experience and an unknown road added up. That road was like driving off a ball, it just kept getting steeper.


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Post by 46woodduck » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:25 am

California DMV is just like the FAA to general aviation. They aren't happy until you aren't happy. Their goal is to ban everything that isn't electric so they can discover that the power grid can't support charging all the batteries and force everyone to use their high speed trains that won't go wherever you need to go.
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Post by Burger in Spokane » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:45 am

Bottom line, ... you can't fix stupid. Leftist lawmakers will never buy this, and
fight forever to prove we can all be safe. It's what they do.
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Post by dykker5502 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:27 am

You have to be careful here!
First I can only recommend you US guys to support FIFA, the international organisation for clubs for historic vehicles. In Europe they have managed to be accepted by the EU legislation bodies and we have so far managed reasonable conditions in Europe.
In the individual countries we have similar "umbrella" organisations chasing the national legislaters. I'm member of the board of the Danish one.
In Denmark we have a requirement of "originality" to get reduced annual fee and to get historic vehicles taxated at import at certain attractive rates.
They should "appear as at first registration". Originally that was an visual appearance as you all know you can't have a drivable historic vehicle 100% original. Now the danish tax authorities are taken this to the extreme requiring original spareparts and correct color and paint schema (no pinstriping for example). The background for this rule was to avoid that hot-rods and custom cars got the same benefits. Now that backfires. A Model T with a Ruckstell will not be seen currently as an original historic vehicle and will be taxated as a regular used vehicle. It's a wasps nest to go down that path. What changes would be allowed and still be considered a "original historical vehicle".
The custom cars can be regulated through technical requirements as already exists to all vehicles. The danish document is 7-800 pages :-)
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Post by Charlie B in N.J. » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:15 am

Have never heard this before Dykker. A real eye opener. especially the originality bits. Seems to be the exact opposite of what Cali. is thinking about. Are there any driving restrictions ?
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