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Looking for a wheel

Post by Les Schubert » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:39 pm

I need one wheel (prefer rear but easily converted) like this picture
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Re: Looking for a wheel

Post by wayne sheldon » Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:36 pm

So a thirty by three and a half? I know what the records say. But I and a dozen other people have seen many fronts in 30X3 size! Regardless,I do like to see someone putting a set of these onto a car and using them!

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Re: Looking for a wheel

Post by HalSched » Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:07 am

Do you plan on reusing those spokes???


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Re: Looking for a wheel

Post by d stroud » Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:38 am

Wayne, I may well be all wet here, but I THINK all of the steel felloe non demountable wheels were 30x3 1/2. I had some years ago that were in great shape. I was going to use the spokes to rebuild some 30x3 1/2 demountables but was told they wouldn't fit. Never did check them out though as I sold them. Dave
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Re: Looking for a wheel

Post by RajoRacer » Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:45 am

According to the Ford Price List of Parts & The Encyclopedia, there were both 30 x 3 & 30 x 3.5 non-demountable steel felloe wheels - I have several 30 x 3 fronts.

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Re: Looking for a wheel

Post by dobro1956 » Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:31 am

I used to think the steel felloe wheels were only made in 30 x 3-1/2 size. I thought the 30 x 3 inch size was just a legend. But I also now have a pair of 3 inch steel fellow wheels.
When I bought a very early 26 touring that appears to have been a non starter car, it came with two 30 x 3-1/2 inch steel fellow wheels. The research I have done on the 26-27 improved models seem to show that the steel fellow wheels were 30 x 3-1/2 inch for front and rear in 26-27. The 3 inch size is probably 25 and before. The steel fellow wheels also seem to be closely tied to non starter cars. I have not seen a "date of change" for steel fellow wheels. Old parts manuals I have show them in 25, 26, and 27. I have heard they may go back as far as 1921 . ???. But I have not looked in pre 25 parts manuals for them.
There is not much hard evidence as to the time frame the steel fellow wheels were used.

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Re: Looking for a wheel

Post by RajoRacer » Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:57 am

Information available in the Encyclopedia states the wood felloe was replaced with steel in 1920. It also makes reference to 30 x 3 non-demountable wheels used on the fronts.

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Re: Looking for a wheel

Post by DanTreace » Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:03 am

Donnie

The parts listings from Bruce's C-D confirm what you posted, those steel felloe wheels, made by Hayes, were likely first around 1920, of course Ford used other mfg wheels too, so wood felloe 30 x 3 might have been around then too.

Have seen only a few of these 3" clinchers, most times find 30 x 3 1/2" steel felloe, this one with the 11" brake drum, likely on a Plain Jane '26-27 ;)
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Re: Looking for a wheel

Post by Les Schubert » Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:20 am

Very interesting. As a Canadian I “assumed “(dangerously) that they were 30x3-1/2.
I need to do some measurements.
I am thinking about putting them on a speedster built with a 13 engine. The 3 wheels I have are nice and tight.
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Re: Looking for a wheel

Post by Susanne » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:49 pm

Foreign market (Canada, UK, etc.) cars ran 30x3.5" (23" rims) all around. US cars in the pre-demountable era ran 30x3 in front (24" rims), 30x3.5 in the rear. Demountables (available from 1919) ran 30x3.5 all around.

A US pre (or non) starter car that was sent to Canada would have 30x3 fronts.

I won't get into baloon tires here... because it would confuse the issue.


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Re: Looking for a wheel

Post by John kuehn » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:55 pm

So since there was 30x3 steel felloe wheels has anybody ever put a 30x3 1/2 tire on one? I’ll bet this has been done before and folks didn’t realize it.

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Re: Looking for a wheel

Post by dobro1956 » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:42 pm

A 30 x 3 inch tire will not fit a 30 x 3-1/2 inch rim, or visa versa.

A 30 x 3 inch tire has a 24 inch hole. (24inch rim)
A 30 x 3-1/2 inch tire has a 23 inch hole. (23 inch rim)

The 30 is the outside diameter of the tire
The 3 or 3-1\2 is the sidewall height (not the width)

If you double the sidewall measurement and then subtract it from 30 that gives you the rim size.

Example. 3+3=6. 30-6=24 inch rim

This is how tire and rim size was figured in the T era.

The formula even works for the 4.50 x 21 inch balloon tires
4.50 + 4.50 = 9. Since original 4.50 x 21 inch tires are 30 inch outside diameter. 30 - 9 = 21 inch rim

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