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Unusual Livingston Radiator Cap maybe off a T?

Post by HezaHenry » Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:23 am

Hi All
I've had this slightly mangled radiator cap for years. It says Livingston Radiator & Mfg Co New York and it is has a patent date of May 22, 1904. It is brass with what looks like brown bakelite moulded over the top of it. Has anyone seen on of these? Does anyone have a good one? Did the pointed Livingston radiators on Model Ts have caps like? I can't imagine many surviving. Like this one, the Bakelite has cracked badly.
Graeme Cocks
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Re: Unusual Livingston Radiator Cap maybe off a T?

Post by Kenny Edmondson » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:13 am

Here’s one from a post in 2017...
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Re: Unusual Livingston Radiator Cap maybe off a T?

Post by Rich Eagle » Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:11 am

Here is that post. FWIW:
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/70 ... 1498694301
It is a treat to see.
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Re: Unusual Livingston Radiator Cap maybe off a T?

Post by Rich Eagle » Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:03 am

These photos show the brass insert on a similar cap. The bakelite does get brittle and crack. I had new inserts cast and threaded them. Then I made a wood pattern and cast them in bondo. That is a tight spot to machine threads. Many caps were made using that method and bakelite served well for many years.
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Re: Unusual Livingston Radiator Cap maybe off a T?

Post by Wayne Sheldon » Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:46 pm

I have done repairs on similar items using wax (canner's paraffin) as a form, and J B Weld as the material. Once painted it looks great!


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Re: Unusual Livingston Radiator Cap maybe off a T?

Post by HezaHenry » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:43 am

Hi Wayne
Good to know there are other Livingston caps out there. I may fix this one up. How did you cast the engraved top to get all the words so fine?
All the best
Graeme


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Re: Unusual Livingston Radiator Cap maybe off a T?

Post by Wayne Sheldon » Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:01 am

Sorry Graeme, wasn't me with the Livingston cap. That was actually Alex Dragone on the other thread. I don't know if he still has that car or radiator or not?
I have made wax impressions of other items, other radiator caps, and of a bean-plastic 1917 model T coil that was missing one whole side, and made a replacement side for it using J B Weld. The result was very nice. From the looks of your cap, you should be able to make a simple form for the missing finger-holds, and use that to replace the missing areas. Most of the intricate lettering looks to be in good shape.
That would be a beautiful cap if well restored.


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Re: Unusual Livingston Radiator Cap maybe off a T?

Post by HezaHenry » Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:22 am

Hi Wayne
Thanks for the info. I might give it a go and see how it turns out.


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Re: Unusual Livingston Radiator Cap maybe off a T?

Post by Les Schubert » Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:32 am

I would certainly be interested in getting a copy of your rad cap for my Livingston!!
Anything from a impression copy of the graphic to a complete cap. I suspect I’m not the only one!


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Re: Unusual Livingston Radiator Cap maybe off a T?

Post by Les Schubert » Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:34 am

“Smooth On” makes products for taking impressions of things like this


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Re: Unusual Livingston Radiator Cap maybe off a T?

Post by Mike Lebsack-Iowa » Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:47 am

Hello,
I too would be very interested in a nice Livingston reproduction cap if anyone can produce one. I have an incredible foundry near me that can cast the insert in the correct brass. Please let me know if you plan to produce these. I have an excellent Livingston Model T radiator that I plan to use one day so the cap would be great. Thanks, Mike


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Re: Unusual Livingston Radiator Cap maybe off a T?

Post by HezaHenry » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:04 pm

I suppose if I can fix this one up, I can then make a mould and make a few. How do I find out about "smooth on"?
Graeme Cocks


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Re: Unusual Livingston Radiator Cap maybe off a T?

Post by Les Schubert » Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:21 pm

Go to “smooth-on.com”.


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Re: Unusual Livingston Radiator Cap maybe off a T?

Post by HezaHenry » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:10 am

Thanks Les,
I'll check it out.
Graeme

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