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Keeping bands aligned

Post by Jacob Mangold » Sun Apr 09, 2023 3:53 pm

Hello T Forum. Is there a way to keep the transmission bands straight while putting on the hogs head without having the special clamp.
Thanks in advance,
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Re: Keeping bands aligned

Post by TFan » Sun Apr 09, 2023 4:19 pm

Some people use zip-ties. Jim
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Re: Keeping bands aligned

Post by rainer » Sun Apr 09, 2023 4:39 pm

Hello, Jacob.

I had to rework the clutch immediately after I got my Lizzy, so I also had (and still neither have nor need) tools for that.

It is very simple:
You need thin and soft wire, preferably iron. I used wire for binding mesh fence to the horizontal wires. Why must it be thin and soft? The wire must not be brittle - if it breaks and a piece drops down into the engine, you can disassemble the engine again...
  • This having said, simply cut wire pieces and bend them in U-shape. They need overlength of ~ 2 inches.
  • With one hand you tension the band, with other hand you hook the "U" around one band end's "fork" and twist the ends behind the other end fork many turns, but only with fingers.
  • Repeat with remaining bands.
  • Now you can put the hogshead on. If possible, use two bolts with overlength, one on every side, to guide the hogshead. So you can vertically move it, but not sideways, this protects the new gaskets.
  • When the hogshead is loosely sitting on and the rods are inside the "end forks", you can cut the wires. Only cut each wire once, where you can reach it best, and pull it out (next reason for a soft wire). Check carefully if it is complete or a piece is missing (Houston, we have a problem...).
Now you bolt down the hogshead.

It worked very well for me. Sounds more complicated as it really is,

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Re: Keeping bands aligned

Post by Wayne Sheldon » Sun Apr 09, 2023 4:57 pm

I use fine nylon string. Small enough to not get stuck in between the band ears and shafts. Tie a small loop in one end, thread the other around the band ears then through the loop to pull tight around the drums. The hogshead should set down without hanging up. After the nuts are all in place, cut the string and pull it out. Usually it will pull through or slip up and out without much trouble.
If by chance a small piece of the string becomes hopelessly stuck between the band and a shaft? Just cut it off as short as you easily can. A small piece of soft string left behind will be no worse than the debris the band lining will be dropping into the oil after a few hundred miles.


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Re: Keeping bands aligned

Post by Scott_Conger » Sun Apr 09, 2023 7:59 pm

Jacob

have you acquired the correct hog's head for your transmission?

If so, have you rebuilt it or ensured that the pedal supports are not worn out?

I do sincerely hope to see some questions on your end regarding rebuilding a hog's head if you have not already! You're going to a lot of work to no good conclusion if either question is answered "no".
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Re: Keeping bands aligned

Post by Art M » Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:13 pm

I use some strong string looped several times around the flanges. I make sure that the bands are tight enough on the drums so that they do not slip.

After the hogshead is installed, it is easy to connect the pedal shafts to the bands. I just finished installing new cotton bands, so I might be doing this again in 10 years or so.

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Re: Keeping bands aligned

Post by Allan » Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:24 pm

I use copper wire. It is soft and easily tied. If perchance you loose a bit, it will not be picked up on the magnets and affect the magneto operation.

I also fit the nuts and washers a couple of turns on the pedal shafts before fitting the cover. It prevents loosing either into the pan which can happen when fiddling them on with the cover in place.

Scott is right. any of this is encumbent on the cover being in good nick.

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Re: Keeping bands aligned

Post by Art M » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:06 am

Allen,
Your suggestion of putting the nuts and washers on the brake shafts before setting the hogshead is an excellent idea. I hadn't thought of that.

Art Mirtes

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