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Car has many new parts with receipts. Lileker Auto Repair rebuilt short block,Z head, 4 Universal T driver tires with 4 hartford tubes on good wheels. 5 Ron Paterson coils,no magneto.New rear axles, Berg radiator, wiring harness, gas tank, Dave’s Restoration transmission drums and main shaft.New doo...

Jerry thanks a lot. I thought the new blades had a lot of pitch and also the old fan did not hit. I did not keep old fan to. compare. It was cracked
Allan I will check that also.

John

Thanks for the ideas. The fan his the belt and shreds the edge while making a racket. The fan hub has new bushings. I may try washers.

John

This is one of the last things to fix before I drive my T. The belt seems to run near front edge of engiine pulley .

Original engine pulley, rebuilt original fan pulley, and new repro fan.

I buy hose from NAPA. My local store will cut what I need from The 3 foot pieces in 1 foot increments.

John

Model A folks have had trouble with the silicone gasket for years. They leak water on the side or fail. I had one once,not an improvement .

John

I saw fuel injected model T speedsters at the Newport Hillclimbs several years ago. they were Hilborn type on side of engine.
Have fun with your project.

John

Allison turbine helicopter engines used helicoils in magnesium cases.

The thread is available in time cert.
https://www.amazon.com/TIME-SERT-Inch-1 ... B0057OLYMC

John

Early Ford solenoids 30 and 40s were activated by grounding the small terminal . The push button in the dash had one wire and used dash mounting connection as ground. They look like the one that uses battery voltage at small terminal. Be sure you know which type you have. I use a stock Ford solenoid...

I just got a message that Safari could not open the forum, said there were too many redirects-over 20. I got on by using a search engine instead of computer bookmarks.Do not know what redirects are. Thought maybe MTFCA was hacked.
Happened on Mac and iPad .

John

Installed anew radiator which I bought a couple of years ago. Getting closer to being done with the rebuild. Was lucky to have the Bergs radiator.

I have used 660 with good results. I apply it and install the wheel on the spindle to clamp the race in. There is usually a wear pattern in the back of the hub to center the new race.

John

I also check the taper in the hub .It needs to make good contact with new axle.

John

here is a post about Tom's kit. I bought one and got prompt delivery.

viewtopic.php?t=19287

John

I have had one on my Model A for several years. The starter gear engages before it starts turning. Very easy on ring gears.

John

Different areas of shop. Corner is our garage gym.

I have a small Warn winch. It works well. Got it for a good price at Summit Racing.

John

I used Texas T oil slingers to replace the magnets. These replace the magnets to circulate oil.
Typed Slow.

John

I think the ni cop line is not designed for ferrules, it is brake line to be double flared.

John

Ni-Cop brake line makes good fuel lines.It is an alloy of nickel and copper and looks like copper. Does not work harden and is easy to bend.
Most auto parts stores have it. It is great to work with and it does not corrode.

John

A couple of years ago I got 4 Hartford tubes from Summit racing. Do not know if they still have them. They were thicker than the tubes I got with my tires which I returned..

John

Just ordered one from Motor Books and got free shipping.

John

I have one on a 12V model A. I used it because I had a ring gear problem and did not want to pull the engine to fix it. The starter engages the front side of the ring gear and engages before it turns. T his saves wear and tear on the gear. It works well but is about like an alternator-looks modern. ...

Thanks Frank.

John

How do you remove reflector on a 24 ? The parts list shows a wire spring. The reflector will push in and looks like slots could be turned line up with tabs in bucket. Also this inexpensive strap wrench that I had worked good to remove rim. https://aboloxtools.com/Williams-40221?msclkid=b482e216d4d81...

Model airplane fuel proof dope works well. I use it on model A gas gauge numbers which are submerged in gas.

https://sigmfg.com/collections/covering ... dope-black

John

If that trigger attachment is like the only kind I've seen and had, it doesn't work on a lot of these new "modern" cans spray buttons. Just the good old fashioned little round kind. Maybe they've now got something new, but I've yet to see one. Tim,the trigger works on all Rustoleum paint that I hav...

Mine is a Rustoleum brand. I think I had to ask the sales guy where it was. Do IT Best hardware store.

I found for some other brand spray cans I had to sand the top of the push button flat to work better.

John

I might add that a trigger handle for a paint can is a good tool to have. It snaps on and makes it more like a paint gun.

John

A friend told me about Rustleum 2X paint with primer. It dries to touch in about 30 mins. Goes on nice but you have to keep distance because it sprays a pretty high volume. It is about all I use now. Gloss and satin.

John

I found the Transmission videos by Mike Bender to be very helpful.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCz9Cs_ ... d6e-WMvuRQ

John

I bought an oval tank a couple of years ago from Roolieb. Might give them a call.

John

I have gone several years. Had my A up the hill twice. There are some fantastic T,s that compete. T class is only one that can run modified.

John

I would suggest Mike Benders videos on transmissions.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCz9Cs_ ... d6e-WMvuRQ

John

My wife and I went to see the museum 2 weeks ago. We enjoyed it a lot. We spent two nights in Richmond and saw many of the sights besides the museum. The housing architecture is interesting and old timy. The town was very prosperous in the late 18 to early 1900s and many factory buildings and mansio...

I have a geared starter on my Model A. The gear at rest is in front of the ring gear. It has a built in solenoid that has 2 functions. First it pushes the gear into mesh. It then energizes the motor to turn the engine. This eliminates clashing of the gear and the ring gear bevel is not used. I put o...

Thanks for the suggestions. I will see what is available.

John

Is there a good paint stripper that the EPA has not banned ? Aircraft remover used to be good. I am stripping a radiator shell.

John

"Question: how much weight can the soldered tank neck support before cracking? I've read comments in the past that have warned against moto meters with wings or barbells being too heavy and cause joint failure. True? " Thank you- D When I got my Berg radiator the instructions plainly warned not to u...

An Odyssey PC 680 is a very compact AGM battery. It can be mounted in any position. I have had one in my hot rod for 5 years. Should be perfect for a T ignition. They provide the case shown. Starts a Flathead V8 easily.

John

I made one also. Used some aluminum round stock which made for easy machining. Not as durable as steel but fine for the purpose.

John

I thought about recutting the slots in my mill, but the metal is hardened and thin. Do not have ac cess to known better ones so I am using an .048 thick bushing-washer. This is the last part I need to finish the engine.

John

Thanks for your replies. I did not know if this was unusual wear. Now I have some choices.

John

I just noticed thar my retainer has wear from the pin. The wear is .010” The part is .062” thick and worn area .052”
Would this be safe to use. Do not know what acceptable wear would be.

John

A note about water wetter. I used Water Wetter and distilled water in a Model A one summer. Just seemed like a good idea. The block got very badly rusted. I had to clean it with rust remover. I did not follow the directions which state use AT LEAST 15% ANTIFREEZE for street vehicles. By itself it wi...

I have used loctite 660 on several hubs. I assemble the race in hub and tighten on the axle to center the race. Has always turned smooth and held up.

John

My original pan was unuseable so I bought another one. It has straight side rails and good threads and is in good shape. It does not fit the rear bearing. Murray Fahnestock says to straighten the pan by attaching to the block and using wood block and large hammer. My concern is will that damage the ...

The engine is a new rebuild , so the cam is not an issue. I am going to look at some parts tomarriw,I will see if I can find a better cover.
Thanks for all the great replies, very interesting .

John

My cover has about .010 oval wear. When I use the centering tool, it has a slop in one direction. Do most used covers have that much wear? Does it matter?
Tool is 3.001, New Day Timer is 2.995

John

A person on another forum made this slide show of 1916. Highland Park plant I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKmp6sTtvOE

John

Thanks Allan. I think not enough heat is the problem. I now have a NOS socket and there is a strip of steel down the center and it is surrounded by hollow spaces and covered by the socket in the middle. Not much heat transfer. I plan on cutting and grinding much of this away and try it again. It see...

I am trying to remove the radius rod ball cup on an oil pan. I drilled out the rivets and got it cherry red with a rose bud torch. I could not pull or hammer
it lose. Has anyone done this with a brazed part? Does the old brazing crystalize and become harder to melt?

John

Mike Bender puts the transmission together on the engine his videos. He installs the clutch basket by tapping it down on the shaft. I Have 2 good hubs and the larger bore has .0005 interference fit. I tried installing the hub on the shaft by itself on the bench and it took considerable pounding to p...

Thanks all for your response. I have a sling and also an engine leveler. I seem to find it easy to use #3 plug hole to tip the engine in.
With the aluminum head I will use another method.

Happy New Year

John

I am using a Z head on my engine. Would it by risky to to lift it with a spark plug eye bolt? I am thinking out would not be a good idea.

John

I straightened a housing the way I have straightened V8 Ford torque tubes that were shortened. I mark the side of the tube that needs to be pulled up near the bell. I run a mig bead parallel with the axle. I started about a one inch heavy bead.I use the axle as an indicator. If it needs more pull up...

They have them listed on their website.

http://www.rootlieb.com/accessories.html

John

I bought a new oval tank for my 24 from Rootlieb about a year ago. At that time all the regular vendors were out.

John

Thanks Dan. I figured some threads should show on top. I am tapping existing threads in a brass bushing to get the right height.It is working out good on my test head. I will mark the tap and get each one the same on my good head.

John

Does the plug sit flush with the hole or does it protrude into the chamber? I am making thread repair Bushings and my old threads are worn so so it is hard to tell.

John

This helped me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js88RV7u9hY

The front bow is held on with wing bolts in the windshield stanchion

John

I agree. sometimes a relay helps.

John

I use odorless mineral spirits in my parts washer. It is $9 a gal. 5 gallons lasts over a year. I prewash real greasy parts and finish in wash cabinet.

John

Thanks,that is good to know.

John

Buying a Helicoil kit seems like a good option since I already paid to get it surfaced. Even better is the brass plumbers 3/4 to 1/2 adapter in Mark's link. It will be easy to set it up in the mill and install the bushing. I may do all the holes since another one is loose fit. Thanks everyone for yo...

I have a head that I got resurfaced and somehow missed inspecting the plug threads. Do tapered pipe helicoils seal ok?
One looks like it has a hacksaw slot cut in side.

John

My wife and I drove our modern car to Rockville ,IN for lunch Sat. We were standing by main street and 2 T"s came around the corner by the court house. What a surprise, then I figured it was the covered bridge tour.

John

I have one on my Model A . It works fine on the square side of the ring gear. It engages before it cranks.

John

Water wetter needs a percentage of anti freeze added to stop corrosion. It says on the bottle for street use add antifreeze.
I ran a Model A with Water Wetter and water and the clean block rusted up in one summer. 50/50 antifreeze is reliable.

John

There was a T sedan in the shop in Wallace Indiana that had an A motor. He also had air conditioning. It was very well engineered and looked almost factory. I am sure it had some type of overdrive . He and his wife toured all over with it. I do not remember running gear,he may have had disc brakes. ...

If 1 coil is buzzing there's power going to the coil box so that's #1. Turn the key on to bat. The wiring harness from the timer goes to terminals on the coil box. Ground each one one at a time. If the coils are OK & the box internal wiring is OK each coil should buzz as you ground it's terminal. I...

I used water wetter and water in my Model A for a summer. It did not protect against rust.
The directions say use 15% anti freeze for street use. If I did it again I would add some anti freeze.

John

I used an Ammco cylinder hone. I found the sleeves to be right thickness but uneven surface. That gave a nice sliding fit.

Thanks Dan. I think I will order a set and seal them.

John

I am still deciding on band linings. From the recent kevlar band thread ,Red Hook Restorations” nev r wear “seems to be a good choice. I called and was told that they do not seal the ends. Dupont only recommends epoxy on Kevlar and it is too hard for drums. Their ends are frayed but can not unravel ...

Arther, Your spring looks close to backing plate. It would not have much travel. Shackles should be about 45* like Dan's.

As you mentioned spring may be too flat or maybe just camera angle.

John

I used a model A hub with an axle shim to hold the taper to press it. I made a hollow spacer to fit inside teeth.

My model A ring gear was starting to move forward. I did not feel like taking the engine out to fix it so I tapped the ring gear back and installed a gear drive starter. Since it engages from the front the ring gear can not move. I have used it for a couple of years and it works great but it sure do...

Happy birthday today and best wishes.

John

Thanks Brad. I am using 2 wrench single lock tappets.

Dan thanks for the heads up. It is a shame bad repro parts are sold for years without fixing.

Robert thanks for the advise. When I get the parts I will measure carefully and grind the stems.

John

Thanks

John

Do you need to shorten new original style valves with adjustable tappets?

John

I was an aircraft mechanic for several years. Diferential compression tests (leakdown) were part of every piston engine inspection. In general you put in 80lbs and 60lbs on second gauge is minimum requirement. I have never seen a second gage that reads percent.
John

I think mine is 68 ,not 36.

John

I was surprised to find this message under the gasket.

8 36. PATE AUTO SERVICE WATSEKA ILL.

John

Dennis,I had to replace drums. I purchased new drums from Daves Restoration. He has great drums and he will remove and rivet the drum to your gear or shaft for $25.

https://www.davesrestorationandmachine.com/
John

Joe,thanks for the offer. The engine that you did for me 5 or 6 years ago is still doing fine and the owners have driven the car on the Hillbilly tour every year. Thanks to all for the information. I was thinking of clamping the bearing to an angle plate in the mill,but the mandrel sounds a lot bett...

I am replacing the rear main cap. What is the best way to to remove babbit to set end play? My cap is slightly too long.

John

I had good luck heating the shims with a micro torch. I held one end and heated just the outer layer all over. The outside layer would curl and loosen. They came off one at a time. The forum helps me once again.

John

Thanks for all the ideas. I will work on some shims tomarrow.

John

Is there a good way to separate shims ? I alway have difficulty pealing off the thinnest shim. Finger nail,sharp knife?

John

John, Did you check the hardness of the new pins with a file? How do they compare to your originals? I did not check. They did not have the step in the end. The ones that I got that had the step and looked like good quality Were .004 bigger than flywheel hole which I thought was too much interferen...

I bought standard size pins from Bobs. I measured the hole and the pins had a .0015” press fit. I got a set from one of the Vendors that was too large.

John

Dennis the clamp is a bearing splitter not included in puller kit.
Rajo, single purpose tools from the day are neat.
John

How I took mine off.

Thank Steve and Joe. That is what I thought. I have 2 of Dave’s drums and they are very nice plus he is great to deal with.

John

I have decided to use kevlar linings. Is this band too pitted to use. I was originally going to polish it.

John

Thanks all. I will radius the edge of drum and polish the edge of the plate.

John

The drum is bigger than the plate. The step from drum to plate is .018. Do I understand correctly that the step is OK as is?

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