Gas lind tubing

Discuss all things Model T related.
Forum rules
If you need help logging in, or have question about how something works, use the Support forum located here Support Forum
Complete set of Forum Rules Forum Rules

Topic author
Craig E. Luton
Posts: 183
Joined: Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:40 pm
First Name: Craig
Last Name: Luton
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1914 Ford Runabout; 1915 Ford Touring; 1936 Ford Pick-up
Location: Clancy Montana

Gas lind tubing

Post by Craig E. Luton » Sun Feb 16, 2025 11:18 pm

I am getting ready to order the tubing that goes from the carbide generator to the cross tube that fits across the back of the radiator. I have seen several comments about this tube. My question is- what material should I use, Copper, brass or steel? Thank you. Craig

User avatar

KWTownsend
Posts: 1381
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:51 pm
First Name: Keith
Last Name: Townsend
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: late 1911 touring, 1915 runabout, 1919 touring, brass speedster
Location: Gresham, Orygun
MTFCA Life Member: YES
Board Member Since: 1999

Re: Gas lind tubing

Post by KWTownsend » Mon Feb 17, 2025 12:03 am

Brass. But what year?


Rich P. Bingham
Posts: 1611
Joined: Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:24 am
First Name: Rich
Last Name: Bingham
Location: Blackfoot, Idaho
Board Member Since: 2015

Re: Gas lind tubing

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:45 am

I’m interested to know how the acetylene line is supposed to be routed. On my ‘13 it’s essentially straight, suspended at the rear by the hose to the generator, and clamped at the front on the forward hood shelf bolt.
Get a horse !

User avatar

CudaMan
Posts: 2531
Joined: Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:17 pm
First Name: Mark
Last Name: Strange
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1924 Cut Off Touring (now a pickup)
Location: Hillsboro, MO
Board Member Since: 2013

Re: Gas lind tubing

Post by CudaMan » Mon Feb 17, 2025 11:19 am

Mark Strange
Hillsboro, MO
1924 Cut-off Touring (now a pickup)


Drkbp
Posts: 277
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:28 am
First Name: Kenneth
Last Name: Parker
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1914, 1925
Location: Houston, Texas

Re: Gas lind tubing

Post by Drkbp » Mon Feb 17, 2025 11:41 am

It is called the Rear Gas Line and is 44-inches long. Same size tubing
as radiator cross-over.

Beginning about June/July of 1912, the radiators were supplied
with the crossover piping soldered to the radiator and the brass radiator
shroud punched on each side with a 1/2" hole for the rubber gas hose.

A single clamp is supplied near the rear (red dot) and the tube is placed
inside the left frame rail and pushed through the cut-out of the wood mounting
block forward to near the radiator. Short hose to radiator and hose to generator
or Prest-O-Lite tank. Left splash shields were also 1/2" punched for hose in 1912.

I clipped the discussion we had years ago with RV how the 44-inches was made
up in 1912. I believe I used a 36" piece of tubing from the hardware store with a
sleeve to add 8-inches on my July 1913. My original clamp and cotter pin was still
in the frame rail so I used it.
Attachments
REAR GAS LINE and CLAMP
REAR GAS LINE and CLAMP
REAR GAS LINE rv 2015.JPG
CLAMP and BOLT
CLAMP and BOLT
CLAMP rp.jpg (39.88 KiB) Viewed 2224 times


Topic author
Craig E. Luton
Posts: 183
Joined: Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:40 pm
First Name: Craig
Last Name: Luton
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1914 Ford Runabout; 1915 Ford Touring; 1936 Ford Pick-up
Location: Clancy Montana

Re: Gas lind tubing

Post by Craig E. Luton » Mon Feb 17, 2025 12:12 pm

Keith, the car I am working on is a 1914 roadster.
Thank you to everyone for the answers. Craig


Rich P. Bingham
Posts: 1611
Joined: Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:24 am
First Name: Rich
Last Name: Bingham
Location: Blackfoot, Idaho
Board Member Since: 2015

Re: Gas lind tubing

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Mon Feb 17, 2025 12:22 pm

Mark, Kenneth, many thanks for posting the links to previous discussions !

It would seem the line is placed inside the frame rail just forward of the control shaft, where it is secured by a clamp:
then it passes between the frame and crankcase support arm presumably the wood block bevel allows this (!)

Perhaps I have not read the information in the links well ? It’s still a mystery to me how the line passes the steering gear support on the frame - any thoughts ?
Get a horse !


CDooREDW
Posts: 159
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:55 pm
First Name: Ron
Last Name: Wenzel
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: ‘14 SWT Runabout; ‘22 Center Door
Location: Huntsville, AL
Board Member Since: 2020

Re: Gas lind tubing

Post by CDooREDW » Mon Feb 17, 2025 12:31 pm

Morning, all,

Noticed that mention of copper tubing was made in text above.

My small local acetylene supplier warns against use of copper tubing with acetylene. It can produce copper acetylide which is unstable and dangerously explosive. Brass is okay.

Just sharing a concern.

Tnx,
Ron in HSV


Original Smith
Posts: 3699
Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:43 am
First Name: Larry
Last Name: Smith
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 13 Touring, 13 Roadster, 17 Coupelet, 25 Roadster P/U
Location: Lomita, California
MTFCA Life Member: YES

Re: Gas lind tubing

Post by Original Smith » Mon Feb 17, 2025 12:42 pm

I made mine from brass tubing from McMaster Carr. The fittings you will need are very hard to find.


Drkbp
Posts: 277
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:28 am
First Name: Kenneth
Last Name: Parker
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1914, 1925
Location: Houston, Texas

Re: Gas lind tubing

Post by Drkbp » Mon Feb 17, 2025 1:48 pm

Rich,

I just looked at my rear gas line and the crankcase support block was notched
on lower inside corner to allow the brass tubing through. The steering block on
mine wasn't notched enough so I just caught it forward of the steering
with the short piece of hose to the radiator piping. Ran it under steering...

Ken


Rich P. Bingham
Posts: 1611
Joined: Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:24 am
First Name: Rich
Last Name: Bingham
Location: Blackfoot, Idaho
Board Member Since: 2015

Re: Gas lind tubing

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Mon Feb 17, 2025 5:15 pm

Ken, thank you much ! So, if I understand correctly, you end the rigid tube behind the steering bracket, and use hose to flex under the steering and connect to the plumbing at the radiator ? Makes sense !
Get a horse !


Drkbp
Posts: 277
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:28 am
First Name: Kenneth
Last Name: Parker
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1914, 1925
Location: Houston, Texas

Re: Gas lind tubing

Post by Drkbp » Mon Feb 17, 2025 9:14 pm

Rich,

Properly positioned (front to back) the 44-inch tube ends about 4" back from
the lower radiator tank so you can connect it with a short piece of hose. It's
set up to be installed from the back.

So after it went through the clamp and the crankcase block into the engine compartment,
I moved it over near the lower edge of the frame rail. Then under and past the steering
bracket several inches toward the radiator along the lower frame rail.

That leaves the rear end in the right position for the hose going through the
splash shield to the generator. Rigid brass so no need for any bends or kinks and
it hasn't moved in many miles of driving.


Rich P. Bingham
Posts: 1611
Joined: Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:24 am
First Name: Rich
Last Name: Bingham
Location: Blackfoot, Idaho
Board Member Since: 2015

Re: Gas lind tubing

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:12 am

Kenneth, again, my thanks ! This makes more sense to me now. So, to be clear, when the tubing exits the crankcase block, you ease it out of the frame channel and under the steering bracket to end within 4” or so of the radiator connection ? No abrupt bends, just flexing the rigid brass tube -
Get a horse !


Dennis Fleming
Posts: 254
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:09 pm
First Name: Dennis
Last Name: Fleming
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1913 touring,23 TT Express,23 Center Door,15 Touring,22 Speedster,22Coupe
Location: Luray
Board Member Since: 2005

Re: Gas lind tubing

Post by Dennis Fleming » Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:45 am

Hey Craig , I have an original gas line clamp if you need one.
IMG_1446.jpeg
IMG_1447.jpeg


Original Smith
Posts: 3699
Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:43 am
First Name: Larry
Last Name: Smith
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 13 Touring, 13 Roadster, 17 Coupelet, 25 Roadster P/U
Location: Lomita, California
MTFCA Life Member: YES

Re: Gas lind tubing

Post by Original Smith » Tue Feb 18, 2025 12:21 pm

I had a bunch of those 1/4-28 bolts made recently. I imagine they will be available soon from Lang's.


Rich P. Bingham
Posts: 1611
Joined: Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:24 am
First Name: Rich
Last Name: Bingham
Location: Blackfoot, Idaho
Board Member Since: 2015

Re: Gas lind tubing

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Tue Feb 18, 2025 3:19 pm

While we’re on the subject, does anyone have any recommendations for a source of red rubber tubing ?
Get a horse !

User avatar

Tbird
Posts: 1230
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:51 pm
First Name: Mike
Last Name: Bird
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1912 Delivery Car
Location: Goshen IN

Re: Gas lind tubing

Post by Tbird » Tue Feb 18, 2025 5:03 pm

Original Smith wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2025 12:21 pm
I had a bunch of those 1/4-28 bolts made recently. I imagine they will be available soon from Lang's.
Thanks Larry! That's good to know!

User avatar

CudaMan
Posts: 2531
Joined: Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:17 pm
First Name: Mark
Last Name: Strange
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1924 Cut Off Touring (now a pickup)
Location: Hillsboro, MO
Board Member Since: 2013

Re: Gas lind tubing

Post by CudaMan » Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:44 pm

Lang's (and likely the other vendors) sell the red rubber hose by the foot. You can also order red acetylene hose from McMaster Carr and welding supply sites. :)
Mark Strange
Hillsboro, MO
1924 Cut-off Touring (now a pickup)


Topic author
Craig E. Luton
Posts: 183
Joined: Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:40 pm
First Name: Craig
Last Name: Luton
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1914 Ford Runabout; 1915 Ford Touring; 1936 Ford Pick-up
Location: Clancy Montana

Re: Gas lind tubing

Post by Craig E. Luton » Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:41 am

Dennis,
I just made the bracket and the ¼-28 square head drilled bolt and nut. Thank you for the offer.
Craig

User avatar

KWTownsend
Posts: 1381
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:51 pm
First Name: Keith
Last Name: Townsend
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: late 1911 touring, 1915 runabout, 1919 touring, brass speedster
Location: Gresham, Orygun
MTFCA Life Member: YES
Board Member Since: 1999

Re: Gas lind tubing

Post by KWTownsend » Thu Feb 27, 2025 12:26 am

Craig.
Lessee your bolts and nuts!

: ^ )

Post Reply Previous topicNext topic