LED Bulbs.

Post by **Ruxstel24** » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:12 pm

We visited this subject before...
I replaced my stock headlight bulbs this summer with a 260 lumens LED bulbs. Much brighter than stock, but nothing like the modern stuff in your eyes.
I got a pair today that are 700 lumens !! Amazing difference !! 3X brighter than the others and 10X over stock !!

I have not aimed or tried to focus them yet, but had focused the old ones pretty successfully.
These had a circular pattern on the garage door about 6' away...They have 24 chips on the sides to hit the reflectors and 6 pointing forward.
Major difference between on and dim also, way more than stock.
And again the amperage draw is maybe 1A !!
I will get some pics soon...can't wait to drive it, but it's still very cold at night.

Ledlight.com pn 78989W

John E. Guitar · Post by **John E. Guitar** » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:17 pm

Great minds think alike!

I look forward to your report.

I think we are still in the early days for LED bulb design. One of the issues I've noticed is they can be quite blinding head on, even those factory fitted in modern cars.

pdgriesse · Post by **pdgriesse** » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:37 pm

I ordered two of those 6 volt LED bulbs---they acknowledged my order but said it was on "backlog". Recently got an email saying I had to reorder and that they were "in stock"----went to their website and 6 volt LED bulbs are not listed? I`d still like to try them.......Paul

Post by **Ruxstel24** » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:53 pm

Paul, try this...

https://www.ledlight.com/searchresult.a ... ords=78989

Post by **KWTownsend** » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:54 pm

Here is the LED bulb I have in my 1919. With the glass envelope, it is less noticeable that they are LED.
Of course if you have a later car with Ford H "fluted" lenses, it probably does not make any difference.

: ^ )
Keith

Post by **Ruxstel24** » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:58 pm

I couldn't contain myself...
Yes, I have the H glass, can't tell here, this is high. And lastly is low. The garage door opener light is all that's on otherwise. The fence is about 25-30 feet away.

pdgriesse · Post by **pdgriesse** » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:14 pm

THANKS, Dave---that LED bulb order now placed.....Paul

Post by **Bob McDaniel** » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:56 pm

Looks good so now what would you use for the tail light?

Post by **Ruxstel24** » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:38 pm

Bob, they have single terminal ones also and different candle power.

Post by **TRDxB2** » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:00 am

Was looking at these in the past few days. For those that don't remember Amps = Watts/Voltage. Not sure what the rated wattage is for these - similar ones are 3.5 watts each = .6 amps ! I had asked them to explain some of their data details - where they say each "SMD chip dissipates about 1/2 watt " and if you multiple the number of chips you get a different value for what the say the bulb output is. They explained they tune it down... NOTE: If you plan on getting LED bulbs for turn signals you need to get a LED Flasher. I'm planning on LEDing Headlight, Brake, Tail and Turn signals. In doing so I looking at ones that have voltage range example 6-24 volts - don't have a Voltage Regulator. Reason: They have one tail light bulb that they warn not to exceed 6 volts. Hope people will add to the thread what they got and how the LEDs performed.

Post by **VowellArt** » Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:12 am

Umm, their ad says they're positive ground, which is fine for Model A, but Model T is negative ground. Do they have any for Model T, or are you supposed to use these anyway.

Post by **Ruxstel24** » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:23 am

VowellArt wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:12 am
Umm, their ad says they're positive ground, which is fine for Model A, but Model T is negative ground. Do they have any for Model T, or are you supposed to use these anyway.

Martynn, they are not ground specific, positive or negative ground !!

Post by **VowellArt** » Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:17 pm

Yeah, I went back and read some more on their site and realized that too...did you get the 6000K or the 3000K? Also snow is very reflective, wonder how they'd do on just a clean surface street. Well, one thing is certain, they're way better than my 32/50's I'm using now. Think I'll get me a pair and see for myself.

Post by **Ruxstel24** » Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:45 pm

I got the 6000K

Post by **TRDxB2** » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:44 pm

Bulb brightness - 1 candlepower = 12,57 lumens. So 700/12.57 = 55.68. So they will be as bright. INTERNET search says 5000K are best
Scientifically, 5000K is the color temperature that will produce the most light. The reason is because 5000K is the closest to “true white” of the three temperatures given, and thus emits the fullest spectrum of visible light. More colors = more lumens. All three of these temperatures (4300k, 5000k, or 6000k) will produce very usable light, however, with 4300K producing slightly less eyestrain for most individuals making it more suitable for foggy conditions where the whole area in front of you will be brightly lit. There is really no reason to go higher than 5000K other than for aesthetic reasons. The more blue light added, the more eyestrain will go up, and the less light output you will have, which is why for nighttime operations some choose to use red lamps, as they do not affect your ability to see well in darkness. Blue headlights, although they are all the rage with the kids these days, have terrible light output levels and cause vision problems for many other drivers, which is why they are only recommended for off-road applications.

Post by **Gonenorth** » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:59 pm

Anyone had any luck converting their acetylene lights to LED? If so, what kind of set up are you using?

Post by **KWTownsend** » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:56 pm

Kevin-
I must caution you that if you electrify your acetylene lamps, your cool factor will diminish significantly...

Post by **KWTownsend** » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:59 pm

Here is an option, showing an incandescent bulb, but you could certainly use an LED bulb...

Post by **Gonenorth** » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:28 am

Asking for a friend of mine who has several brass cars. I would love to have a brass car, unfortunately it's not in my budget so I am happy with my Improved Cars. Anyways, my friend is a member of that "other" Model T group so wanted me to ask on here. He drives one of his brass cars all the time rain or shine. I believe it is his primary vehicle and his truck stays parked more of the time. Nice to have lights when you want them for low light conditions or safety visibility. Thanks for comments and suggestions.

Post by **KWTownsend** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:44 pm

Here is another option I found:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MAXGTRS ... a9b2ac9484

It is available in warm white that has 650 lumens, or about 51 CP.

I'm thinking these might work to use in place of my old 1196 incandescent bulbs (37 watts 50 cp) which together draw 6+ amps!

Has anyone ever ordered from AliExpress?

Post by **Ruxstel24** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:53 pm

Those are interesting Keith.
Looks more like a lightbulb.
1156 is a single contact bulb though, 1158 is the headlight 2 contact bulb...

Post by **KWTownsend** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:56 pm

Here is an image...

With a clear lens this would look better than a tower bulb.

: ^ )

Post by **KWTownsend** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:04 pm

These will be for my 1915. Sockets are easy to swap out, rewiring is simple, and I have some right angle single contact headlight plugs that will make everything look right.
Just don't tell Larry.

: ^ )

Post by **Bill Robinson** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:47 pm

Do they emit a BRIGHT WHITE or a BRIGHT BLUE color?

Post by **KWTownsend** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:18 pm

Bill-
All I know is the color options are: red, yellow, white, or warm white. In the world of LED lights, "warm white" generally means a color that is more like an incandescent bulb.

Here is another choice with color options of: red, white, and warm white.

These are rated at 1400 lumens or about 111 candlepower. Is there such a thing as too bright?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2x-S25- ... 24914408-5

: ^ )

Post by **Ruxstel24** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:33 pm

I know that I'm a tad anxious to try mine.
Mother Nature has been less than cooperative for us Buckeyes thus far.

Hopefully soon I can do a real review on the road.

1400 lumens might be a little much !! You don't want oncoming traffic, especially the cops, going in the ditch...

Single pole bulbs will only give you one brightness, while the 1158 style I have gives you a very noticeable dim.

I look forward to seeing your demo, Keith.

Post by **KWTownsend** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:54 pm

Dave-
1915 only gives two options: On or off.
I'm going to walk on the wild side and spend $10.94 to get a pair of each.
: ^ )

Mindless Automaton · Post by **Mindless Automaton** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:12 pm

kwtownsend wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:44 pm

Has anyone ever ordered from AliExpress?

I have, it's like a bunch of random sellers listing things to a global audience.
I can't complain so far, only seller that sold me anything bad was selling welding rod. It was cut up pieces of longer welding rod & wasn't very good. They had bad feedback, so check the sellers feedback rating & asses the customer reviews to see if the product is something you want.

There is some bargains out there. And some is a case of 'You get what you pay for".

Post by **TRDxB2** » Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:44 pm

Excuse the Tech Bit... Some LED replacement bulbs may have their filament in front of the focal point of the reflector and while they may have more LED chips in them they may project a blurred beam. The MAXGTRS bulbs look to be the same shape as the standard size bulb so I would expect them to perform very well. The attached image is a simple example of how the bulb geometry might get reflected refl

: Standard vs Long Neck LED Bulb

ected.

ewdysar · Post by **ewdysar** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:50 pm

Following up with Gonenorth's question, has anyone installed LED bulbs in a gas headlamp? It would be nice to have a proven alternative to the 55W halogens that are available from our regular suppliers.

Keep crankin'
Eric

Post by **Ruxstel24** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:43 pm

Here's a couple shots of my new bulbs last night...
It was a little cold for the road with the top down after dark !!

High and low from about 40'

Kaiser · Post by **Kaiser** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:52 pm

For safety reasons i wanted turn signals, no one understands hand signals anymore so took the loose burners out of the side lights, made a block of nylon with the same height and mounted a bulbholder on it, the wires go out the way the adjuster for the pit goes out. can be converted back to parafin burner in two seconds flat.
For the rear i made a board that is mounted with two wing nuts under the floor of the bed and plugs into a hidden trailer connector socket, it also can be taken off in no time at all.
Both help 'the communication' with other road users and can be taken off if original looks are important and safety is not an issue.

Post by **KWTownsend** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:02 pm

My bulbs arrived for my 1915

Previously I used 1196, a double contact bulb. The single contact is 1195, a 50 cp 37 watt bulb that draws about 3 amps each.

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https://www.replacementlightbulbs.com/lamp1195.html
These bulbs flood the road with light! But for a car with no charging circuit, and an 18 ah battery, that is only 3 hours of driving with headlights on. I switched out the sockets to use the single contact bulbs.

In my 1919 I have these:

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https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinf ... -car/1686/
Let's call these LED #1 Warm white, rated at 290 lumens.

I put in these. We'll call then LED #2:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MAXGTRS ... a9b2ac9484
and was pretty disappointed. Warm white, rated at 650 lumens but they are not as bright as LED #1 rated at 290 lumens (hmmm?)

Then I put in LED #3:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2x-S25- ... 24914408-5
These are about as bright as LED #1. Warm white. Rather disappointing as they claim 1400 lumens.

Overall I am rather disappointed. I wonder if the regular white would put out more light as opposed to the warm white? The specifications still list it as 1400 lumens whether white or warm white.

???

Post by **Steve Jelf** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:41 pm

Has anybody found variable voltage LED bulbs to use in mag lights? The last time I looked there were none to be found.

Post by **Ruxstel24** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:13 pm

Steve Jelf wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:41 pm
Has anybody found variable voltage LED bulbs to use in mag lights? The last time I looked there were none to be found.

The ones I got from Ledlight.com are 6V-24V.
Call them...

touringtom · Post by **touringtom** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:29 pm

Remember, the magneto is putting out variable frequency / variable voltage AC, not DC. You will probably need a diode in the circuit and that will cause a .7v DC drop.

Post by **Steve Jelf** » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:15 am

LED won't work on AC?

Mindless Automaton · Post by **Mindless Automaton** » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:12 am

I've tested LEDs on AC and they worked fine.
If you're fancy/clever you could put a zener diode type thing in them somewhere so they will cope a little better?

Kaiser · Post by **Kaiser** » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:19 am

Steve the LED is a Light Emitting Diode, so you don't have to put a diode in a AC system, but the LED lights may flicker a bit at low revs, but couldn't tell you for sure, i haven't tried it myself yet.
Another thing, LEDs work on a wider range of voltage than incandescent bulbs while emitting the same lumen or cd all through that range.
If voltage is too low they won't work, within the range they emit a constant volume of light, if the voltage is above range they burn out, so it might be a good idea to build a voltage limiter in the system somewhere inconspicuous to protect the bulbs at high revs, again i haven't tried it on a mag fed system so am curious of the result..

Post by **modernbeat** » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:47 am

Has anyone used the directional LEDs?

http://www.logolites.com/products/led-headlights/

46woodduck · Post by **46woodduck** » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:51 am

Nice collection of information. Thanks for doing the research for the rest of us.

Post by **TRDxB2** » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:45 pm

Looking further down for the "Specifications" for the link on Bulb #2 - there is some confusion on the math. Below where they say 1400 lumens they have a second spec for 2X.......(see attached) in which they say the output is 700lumens/pair so is that 700/2 = 350 ? Perhaps their Abacus was missing a bead.

Post by **TRDxB2** » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:14 pm

Correction to the above reference - I meant the link for Bulb #3

Post by **Ruxstel24** » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:37 pm

These are the ones I have, reposted since it was so long ago.

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https://www.ledlight.com/a-13007-d-a-13 ... round.aspx
Description:
"Headlight bulb 6 Volt Positive Ground or 6 Volt Negative Ground. 6V AC or DC. Up to 700 Lumen. The candle power is up to 50 CP. Dual filament design. Designed for reflector headlights since most of the leds are side firing directly into the reflector. The bulb has some forward firing leds to make it brighter. This LED bulb is designed for early vintage Ford Model T and Ford Model A. Long life up to 30,000 hours. Plug and play remove the old incandescent bulb and replace with LED bulb. The LED uses less power than a incandescent bulb so it is easier on the wiring of the older vehicles. The bulb comes in White 6000K and Warm white 3000K. The Warm White simulates the original color of a incandescent light bulb. How ever the Warm White is about 5% less output than the 6000K bulb. CE and Rohs certified. The original light bulb was 21 CP/21 CP, then you could upgrade to 21 CP / 32 CP and then finally 32 CP / 32 CP or 32 CP / 50 CP. These original bulbs decline in Lumen output compared to a slow Lumen decline with LEDs. This LED bulb is 55 CP brighter than all original headlight bulbs. Since these bulbs are non polarity sensitive they work in both positive chassis and negative chassis. The maximum overall length is 1.944 inches. The maximum diameter is .760 inches. This led bulb is 6 volt and 360 degree illumination. Compatible with: Model A Head Light Bulbs A-13007-C 1919-1931 A-13007-D 1919-1931 1946 Air coup 1919-1931 Ford 1926, 1927 Ford Model T 1928, 1929, 1930, 1931, 1932 Model A A-13007-C Snyders A-13007-D Snyders 6572BX Langs"

The phone lines were closed last night, but here's the number. Zack has been very helpful for me. 1 877 283-5060

And yes they do flicker at idle, apparently as the points open and close in my distributor. I imagine a timer would be similar. You don't see it unless you're looking at them, I don't notice at all driving and the flickering is almost nill once the cutout closes.
This is also not a bad thing, people notice you more. There's a kit available for MCs to make the light flicker as a safety feature...

I will have to adjust my generator to about a 2-3 amp charge. I am at 7-8 amps now, with the lights on. Before was about 2-3 amps discharge with the lights on.

Post by **DHort** » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:40 pm

The ledlights are 6.99 each.

The logolites are 29.95 each and out of stock.

I installed the ledlights and they are bright enuf for me.

Thank you for all the help.

Post by **Ruxstel24** » Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:50 pm

Finally got out on the road after dark, very pleased

One car came towards me and didn't seem like any problem.
I was alone trying to drive and snap pics, sorry bout the shakey shots

The oncoming car in the picture is maybe 1/2 mile away...

This is back up my road with no lines.

Post by **DHort** » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:39 pm

I just finished installing the same LED lights that Dave used. I have the brighter ones in one car and the warm whites in the other car. YOu can definitely tell the difference in the garage. Basically white light versus yellow light. Maybe tonite I can back out both cars and take a picture showing the difference from the front.

I bought a spare and gave it to an electrical engineer. He is going to see what happens if he tries to use it on a car with a magneto. Will it burn out, or will it not work? Time will tell.

Post by **KWTownsend** » Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:58 pm

These are my latest bulbs:

Take a look at the right side with old bulbs:

And here it is with the new bulb in place:

The new is a much whiter and brighter light. I look forward to trying them at night.

: ^ )

Post by **KWTownsend** » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:30 pm

They are these:

And I got them here:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/254165334252

Post by **Ruxstel24** » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:09 pm

KWTownsend wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:30 pm
They are these:

LED 144 SMD.jpg

And I got them here:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/254165334252

Those look bright !!
I see they are single pole, are you running 6V or mag ?

Post by **KWTownsend** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:27 am

I'm running them off a 12v motorcycle battery that is tucked under the seat.

Post by **Ruxstel24** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:14 pm

Wife went with me tonight and we got better pics.

Post by **varmint** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:01 pm

A word to those replacing turn and brake lights with LEDs...
Assuming a red filter is on your brake light, you will want to replace the incandescent bulb with a red LED, not a white LED.
All of the red light emitted from a red LED will pass through.
Only the red part of the white light spectrum will pass through from a white LED. The rest is absorbed as heat.
So, a red LED will be brighter with a red filter.
Use an orange/amber LED with orange/amber filters.

Post by **Ruxstel24** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:25 pm

Vernon, I put a lower CP white bulb in the tail, it's a little brighter through the red lens, but it really lights up the white hysterical plate. I want to be seen, so good.
I left the original bulb in the brake, it just seems brighter in the daylight.

Post by **KWTownsend** » Sat May 04, 2019 12:00 pm

I put my new LED bulbs in last night and went for a drive.
I like 'em.

They are not a warm white. They are white light, but for night driving I would rather have the light than the ambiance!

: ^ )

Keith

ewdysar · Post by **ewdysar** » Sat May 04, 2019 4:14 pm

ewdysar wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:50 pm
Following up with Gonenorth's question, has anyone installed LED bulbs in a gas headlamp? It would be nice to have a proven alternative to the 55W halogens that are available from our regular suppliers.

Keep crankin'
Eric

Still wondering. Has anyone installed led bulbs in an acetylene head lamp?

Keep crankin’
Eric

Post by **ivaldes1** » Mon May 13, 2019 11:49 pm

Ordered, will give them a try upon arrival.