1915 Hogshead Assembly

[VowellArt]

So far as I know (and I could be wrong), only the 1915 had ribbed pedals, all those preceding them had lettered pedals and all those after 1915 had smooth pedals, so 1915 is sort of an odd man out. Sort of like my early 22, it has some things on it that are unique to early 22 and on no other cars, like the ribbed pedals on the 1915 T and all that brass, which also doesn't appear on any cars before or after it for that matter either.

[Allan]

Martynn, the date may need to come with a caveat/footnote for Canadian production, where ribbed pedals remained the norm until 1925 models. These were the one year odd ones out in their production.

Allan from down under.

[VowellArt]

Allan, but aren't they almost always RHD cars? If so, that would be covered when I draw all the RHD's.

[Allan]

I thought the Canadians drove on the same side as the USA. Sure, ours are RHD.

Allan from down under.

[George Mills]

Martin,

Love your work! On the 15 I’d say to catch up to Royce if you can. Both Royce and I independently have worked on many cars that are 16’s by fiscal years 15’s by features years...that were built in Sept/Oct/and one example of a November that had aluminum hogsheads with ribbed pedals with at least two of those examples being known never touched. Chalk it up to inventory carryover. While ribbed and aluminum are always together on the examples I have never found a case of smooth/aluminum....

[Original Smith]

With the exception of the lettered pedals, why would a '15 be different than a '14?

[Steve Jelf]

I thought the Canadians drove on the same side as the USA.

It varied by province. Some were RHD and some were LHD. Maybe somebody who knows more about it can provide some details.

[nsbrassnut]

Hi All

Canadian driving clarification.

The east and west coast followed English practice for several years and drove on the left side of the road so Ford shipped RHD cars out.

British Columbia, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island didn't change over until about 1922. Nova Scotia changed in the spring of 1923. And Newfoundland changed last, I think in 1949(?) after they joined Canada as the 10th Province.

And on top of that, Prince Edward Island actually outlawed motor vehicles entirely from about 1906 to 1912/13. I think the only juristiction in North America to do so.

And so far I have seen lettered pedals on some '15 Canadian Ts and the later ribbed pedals were used by both RHD and LHD Canadian cars when they were built.

Stay well, drive safe.

Jeff
Nova Scotia
Canada

[VowellArt]

Allan,

I thought the Canadians drove on the same side as the USA. Sure, ours are RHD.

So you change your Canadian source cars from LHD to RHD? But the Hogshead is completely different from LHD.

George,

On the 15 I’d say to catch up to Royce if you can.

Royce is on Face Book and fairly easy to reach, so I'll ask him about this and see what he's got, thanks.

Larry,

With the exception of the lettered pedals, why would a '15 be different than a '14?

As far as I know they're not (but then I don't know for sure either), but I found out from Derrick Pang just now that on his 16 only the reverse pedal is ribbed, but it also may well be that somewhere along the line somebody took out the other ribbed pedals and substituted them with smooth pedals too....or his car had smooth pedals from the get go and when they rebuilt the engine (before he owned it), they put in that ribbed reverse pedal as a way to differentiate between the other 2 smooths. His title says it is a 15 but the engine number places it as Feb of 16, yet it has the brass bezels around the headlights, sidelights and tail light along with the side and tail chimney tops.

Jeff,

And so far I have seen lettered pedals on some '15 Canadian Ts and the later ribbed pedals were used by both RHD and LHD Canadian cars when they were built.

Do you think that those 15's with the lettered pedals were owner or factory installed? Because you can buy both the lettered and the ribbed heads from Lang's and weld them on yourself. As for the ribbed ones those will be on the RHD when I draw it, won't be too terribly difficult, I just need to see the Hogshead because it is a bit different from an LHD head, mostly because of the Brake and Reverse pedal, they appear to be adjustable from the left side of the Hogshead.

[Allan]

Martynn, we don't change anything. They came RHD from the outset, as Australian motoring was based on English cars in the main.

Allan from down under.

[nsbrassnut]

Hi Martynn

I’m not sure of the Canadian pedal change over. My '15 engine came with a mix of pedals on the hogshead. Two lettered and a ribbed clutch pedal. It’s a RHD one and the pedals where not modified.

The pedals were forged in Canada by Dominion Stamping who started making Ford parts in 1913/14. The lettered pedals had the pinned cams on the inside and hadn't been off before.

I think that at the time Ford Canada was generally running a bit behind the US with part updates and modifications. It likely took a little while to get the new tooling across the river and into the factory. The pinned in place pedals might have been installed before the pop in clutch and I'm assuming it was close to the change over time.

No not a guaranteed confirmation, but some good circumstantial info.

Drive Safe
Jeff
Nova Scotia

[VowellArt]

Jeff, have any pictures of your RHD hogshead? I'd like to see them if you do, because RHD is also something I've got to draw as well.

[nsbrassnut]

Hi Martynn

Here are a few of a stripped RHD hogs head that I also posted earlier, but can't find the thread right off. I'm not exactly sure if this is a '14 or '15 part. I have a mix of parts believed from '13 to '15 RHD aluminum hogs heads for various projects. The one actually in my '15 looks like this one.

I can get pictures of the pedals later if they would help also.

These may provide a starting point for you in the meantime.

Drive Safe
Jeff
Nova Scotia

[Allan]

On RHD hogsheads, the clutch pedal is the only one removable without removing a riveted on notch. That may explain the ribbed pedal being found in a cover with other pedals lettered. It is an easy substitution for an owner to make. Or it could just be the factory using up their inventory of parts supplied.
Our Canadian RHD cars came with ribbed pedals right up to the 1925 models.The plain diamond shaped pedals only came for one year, before the introduction of the improved cars in 1926. Is this the case for Canadian LHD cars?

Allan from down under.

[VowellArt]

Jeff, you wouldn't happen to have a photo of the Left side of that Hogshead would you? I supposed it wouldn't really matter that much, since you'll not see it, but I'd like to know one thing. The outside adjustment 3419 and it's jam nut 3420 are the same for both the Brake and Reverse Pedals positions?

[Allan]

Martynn, the two adjusters and locknuts are identical. The reverse gear one is often problematic. The relief milled in the cover for the locknut is large enough for the locknut to fit, but getting a ring spanner/socket on it often doesn't work because there us not enough clearance. An open end wrench won't do because you cannot get enough rotation to get to the next flat. I have a ground down ring spanner and a pressed steel tube spanner that will both fit, only just. It is not unusual to find the reverse gear locknut with a couple of cold chisel registers.

Allan from down under.

[J1MGOLDEN]

Those RHD Transmission Covers also have a Date Code in a Circle behind the Magneto Terminal.