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help Identifying car

Post by brian2264 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:30 am

Hi Guys, I have a friend in the office that has been documenting the family tree and just got a new picture to work from with his great great grandfather in a car and he is wondering if we can help ID the car and year? All help is appreciated.
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Re: help Identifying car

Post by Rich Bingham » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:02 pm

Not a real car. Looks like a studio photographer's setup, note the wrinkles in the sheet in the background, as well as in the "car" body, which is likely a canvas prop. Photo likely dates from 1905 or before (?) It was popular to have photos taken with an automobile as a prop when they were very expensive and rarely seen. Wonderful photo !! (I wouldn't rule out that the prop was intended to be faithful to a specific make/model, perhaps someone knows.)
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Location: Barneveld NY

Re: help Identifying car

Post by brian2264 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:26 pm

We were discussing the idea off that being a prop but want sure. Could still be helpful to understand what year car it was based on, your 1905 is a good start. Thanks

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Re: help Identifying car

Post by Rich Eagle » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:36 pm

I would agree with Rich. The prop has similarities to the 1 cylinder Cadillacs from 1904 to 1908. The step plate, muffler, the change in frame height and the radius rod mounting are all too similar to be anything else. I don't recognize the body style. Tulip Bodies were prevalent at that time.
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Re: help Identifying car

Post by Rich Eagle » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:47 pm

This top Model M (1907) may be similar but the prop has been stylized.
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Re: help Identifying car

Post by Rich Bingham » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:21 pm

Good call, Rich ! The scenery painter did a decent rendition of the Model M Caddy, even if the cowl lamps are "out of drawing" :lol:
Thanks for posting this, Brian !
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Re: help Identifying car

Post by Rich Eagle » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:05 pm

I don't claim to be a Cadillac expert but have a "Instructions" book for Models A, B, C, E, F, K, M, S and T. The Model designations seem to be for various equipment and year differences. All used the single cylinder and it looks like the same frame. Perhaps length and horsepower were differences. Advertising seems to show a particular Model using different body styles. It states that this group of Models used this gas tank, oiler, throttle and gas controls or axle assembly. We do have some experts among us but it looks confusing to me.
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