Unusual Model T Ford hub cap

[ModelT46]

This cap started out as a regular cap. It now has a machined insert that is probably threaded and screwed in and held in place b y solder. The ring is machined and about 3/8th is width. It has a center gruve. It has a lip on the edge for a clip to hold in on a special hub. it had old grease in it, but now it is clean. I may have the mate to it, but with so many boxes of NOS and used parts in my storage areas, i will just have to wait. here are recent photos. Does anyone have a hub the was machined to take this cap? This cap fit over a round shaft. Perhaps one as an old advertisement for the company or person who made this setup.

[TXGOAT2]

Boat trailer?

[Humblej]

Again? Really?

[RajoRacer]

At least he's "changed his tune" about the reality of it !

[ModelT46]

It is not my tune, the melody is still the same. I just got tired of all the errors and far off ideas. The cap is real and is a cap. Boat trailoer and a special trailer hub is a real possibility. I could be from a trailer with a solid tubular axcle. It would be interesting to know how the hub was held on to the axle. Tbhe cap held the grease only and fit over the end of an axle.

[TRDxB2]

It is not my tune, the melody is still the same. I just got tired of all the errors and far off ideas. The cap is real and is a cap. Boat trailoer and a special trailer hub is a real possibility. I could be from a trailer with a solid tubular axcle. It would be interesting to know how the hub was held on to the axle. Tbhe cap held the grease only and fit over the end of an axle.

Posting this on both discussions
In order to resolve the issue several things must be confirmed.
The inside of the hub appears to have some layers, so can we get some information about them
1. what is the thickness of layer 1 that appears to be a sleeve or a piece of the hub.
2. if this was from a broken hub what part could this be since it would be on the outermost edge of the hub.
3. need to confirm what metal this is. pictures don't help others decide. If its solder then you should prove it & should melt. That would end some speculation

[ModelT46]

#1 solder, various in thickness.

#2 not a broken hub nor any broken parts.

#3 the cap is a treaded brass cap. the solder is solder, probably lead and tin. the ring is machined steel.

It is solder, the pooling of it at various spots is typical of soldering. I have done a lot of soldering over the past 70 years. the percent of lead and of tin will vary as well as the melting point. Probably not pure lead or pure tin, but a blend of both.

[ModelT46]

The steel ring is machined and shows little or no wear. It has a center shallow grove. (centered)There are no cracks in the brass cap/ The top is still nickel plated, but the rest of the cap has had the plating removed,so when the sodering is done, the inside surface would also be free of any grease or other. Then when the ring is sodered inplace,, the brass surface (inside) would take the solder well.

[ModelT46]

It now appears that this discussion is on the right track. It is my hope that it will be possible to come up with why this cap additions were made.

[TRDxB2]

#1 solder, various in thickness.

#2 not a broken hub nor any broken parts.

#3 the cap is a treaded brass cap. the solder is solder, probably lead and tin. the ring is machined steel.

It is solder, the pooling of it at various spots is typical of soldering. I have done a lot of soldering over the past 70 years. the percent of lead and of tin will vary as well as the melting point. Probably not pure lead or pure tin, but a blend of both.

Darryl, You need to answer the questions I posed about the layers more specifically, not by observation.
For example :
I had been under the impression that you referred to layer #3 as the solder because of the jagged edge not layer #1. So most arguments have been that layer #1 was the hub not a layer of solder.
Layer # 2 is still in question as what it is and isn't. It appears as thick as layer #2
Layer #3 still needs to be determined - will it melt?
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Once we understand the individual pieces it will be easier to lead to a conclusion. Like they say pictures are worth a 1,000 words, facts use much less

[ThreePedalTapDancer]

Was a magnet tip put to the surface of 1,2, and 3 to determine if magnetic or not?

[ModelT46]

Yes, I repproted that in the previous forum thread and in an above reply. The ring is steel as reported ,the solder is solder and the cap is brass.

[ModelT46]

the solder is solder, the ring is steel and the cap is brass as reported the steel ring is (most likely threaded and srewed i n) and the soldered in place. This has all be covered before several times.

[ModelT46]

Layer 1 and 3 are the same and is solder holding the steel ring is place, so it will not move or come loose by turning off.

[ModelT46]

there are just two layers. The first ius the solder, the second is the steel ring .

[TRDxB2]

the solder is solder, the ring is steel and the cap is brass as reported the steel ring is (most likely threaded and srewed i n) and the soldered in place. This has all be covered before several times.

Daryl, am I correct in interpreting the above that "The ring is steel" is being pointed to by arrow # 1, and by "solder is solder" you mean that the steel ring is coated with solder? Can you clarify how the steel ring is soldered in place, if I am understanding it looks like the solder is on the inside, am I correct?

[ModelT46]

The ring is clean. It is held in place by the solder to keep from rotating back out.

[ModelT46]

I do not to want take it apart. I want to keep as original as built. It means much to me as it was built. I might donate to the museum. They can do. What they want. But first Iwant to seek its mate.

[TRDxB2]

The only way to resolve the issues related to this find is to focus on identifying its construction of each individual layer/piece.
Unnecessary dialog will not help resolve it

We still need to be on the same page as to what #1, #2 and #3
So I repeat with reference to the photo
The inside of the hub appears to have some layers, if can we get some information about them then we might better understand the what & why.
Layer 1 (top ring). what is the thickness of layer 1 that appears to be a sleeve or a piece of the hub.
Is it steel or solder?
Layer 2 (bottom ring). if this was from a broken hub what part could this be since it would be on the outermost edge of the hub. This is the most puzzling piece
It appears to be symmetrical possibly machined. Is it thicker than layer 1?
Layer 3 (middle ring). need to confirm what metal this is. The ragged edge confuses prior discussion (steel or lead). Melting a piece should confirm if its solder. It looks like a piece could be broken off near the arrow tip.
Is the Red arrow point to a second ring?

In the other discussion you indicate that layers 1 & 3 were solder hold the ring Layer # 2 in place is that correct?

[ModelT46]

There is nothing puzzling about this item I have reported what it is. It is a standared Model T hub cap. It has a machined ring threaded in. A layer of solder was apllied to hold it i n. That what it is, nothing moire or less. No puzzles at all. Just hard facts.