Transmission Help

[wmscottsutherland]

Thanks in advance for all the help I know I am going to get. I have searched for info but not found what I think I want or need.

To Start: I am new to the T world. I dove in head first and I am confident I will be successful.

I would enjoy a suggestion to read about the transmission/engine either online or book.

This is a 19 engine in a 25 roadster. The goal is to the current block with a 25 and put it back in the roadster with a correct 25 bed (Yes I have the bed).

I got the hogs head off today and I am some what unsure of the next steps. This is what I am thinking:

1) remove oil pan to get complete access to the transmission.
2) Take apart the transmission.
3) Use electrolysis to remove rust. The engine/transmission was a major mouse nest over the years.
4) ***** This is where I need help. What should be replaced no matter what, what should be inspected and how.

Any help or input is considered valuable to me.

AgaIn, Thanks for your help.

Scott

[George House]

..just take everything up to Scott Conger in Clark WY....
...seriously, if I understand your request; you have a mouse nest of a T motor and want to make it operable, huh ? Remove the pan. Remove the transmission. Remove the mag field coil. Get the MTFCA engine and transmission booklets and get to inspecting: internal oil line, pistons, cylinders and babbit...welcome to Model T owner/driver world of fun. Now take it all to Scott

[John kuehn]

Hi Scott!
Your asking the right questions since your new to Model T’s! Go to the resources page on this website and go to the parts suppliers. There you can purchase the Ford Service manual and other manuals for the different aspect of a T. There is one for the transmission, differential, and everything else. There also is a wealth of information about parts and etc in their parts catalogs. Also Lang’s has exploded views about what you need.

You will need to know about what NOT to do when taking the engine and transmission apart.

Others will give you some information as you need it here on the forum. But do get the Ford service manual and other T publications that are available. They can save you much time and headaches when you can know exactly what your doing.

[speedytinc]

Get out your T1 service manual. Read thru the section on disassembly & rebuilding the transmission several times. Milt Webb produced an excellent/comprehensive book on the subject. You can trust the information he tomed.

There is no single part that is always replaced. There are quite a few that typically need replacing.

A proper rebuild cant be done by a typical hobbyist. There are several machinist type operations involved that require equipment. These operations will need to be farmed out. As you tear it down, you can compare the specs in the rebuild process to determine what must be replaced. Look up this topic on the forum. A well known re builder/machine shop posted the restoration procedure.

Get the proper pullers. Dont risk breaking drums by poor disassembly.

I tear every thing down & soak individually in carb cleaner. Then bead blast everything. Do not bead blast anything that moves, like the 3 fingers of the drive plate or bushings. Manually clean with a wire wheel. Wash the blasted parts in solvent. In the process any drum cracks will show themselves. Debur gears & polish shafts. Now clean, you can determine bushing wear with feeler gauges.

[Steve Jelf]

In addition to the MTFCA Books and the Service Manual, there is a very good website set up by Mike Bender and Bill Howell: http://modelt-tips.com/

[wmscottsutherland]

WOW, I watched the videos concerning the transmission rebuild. I am thinking the rebuild is way better than the original build. I just do not see the same care taken in the rebuild as in the original build.

I am thinking of just taking the tran apart, cleaning it and put it back together. Of course plenty of marks and wire to keep everything that comes apart going back together the same way. I know this is opening myself up to possible issues down the line. so talk me out of it.

I did order the books suggested and will read those first. It cold in the garage so I have time.


Thanks
Scott

[Steve Jelf]

The work of taking apart and putting back together should not be wasted. Between taking and putting should be looking. Inspect all parts carefully and see if anything needs replacing. Pedal ramps are often worn badly. Original reverse drums are more often cracked than not. Magnets are sometimes cracked. If the bands could use new linings,it's easiest while they're out. While you have it apart you might as well charge the magnets. How is the coil ring? If the insulation is deteriorated and brittle the coil ring should be replaced or rewound. There's a lot to do, and it may seem to take forever, but it ain't rocket surgery.

[J and M Machine]

I would listen to what Mr.Jelf Says as just cleaning it isn't doing the transmission justice.
The drums may be cracked along with magnets and the triple gears may be toast along with the pins.
What you may not see will hurt you and the engine.

[Dennis_Brown]

So you are new to model t's. It is Tim to gt you hands dirty and see what you can learn. Everyone had to start without any experience and learn. You possibly have some t friends in your area that you can also ask questions.
Get a book from the MTFCA on engine rebuilding and transmission rebuilding and they make good reference books you will use for years to come. Take pictures, clean and inspect parts, take measurements,you can learn a lot.
Diesel fuel put on a cleaned part and then wiped dry will reveal cracks as it will seep out of cracks. If you are not familiar or do not know to use a caliper or dial indicator it is a good time to learn. You can get both at Harbor Freight or off Amazon and not break the bank.
When you are done with the tear down and inspection and do not feel you want to do the rebuild you can still take it to Scott Conger at Clark. In the meantime you will have learned a lot of what's inside the PowerPoint and how it operates.
Some of your local t friends may have pullers or tools you can borrow.
Good luck and enjoy.

[Mark Nunn]

Scott, Gene French may also be able to help you. Gene is in Nunn, CO just south of you on HWY 85. You can find him by clicking "Extra Quick Links" in the upper right of this forum.

[Gen3AntiqueAuto]

I tore into a transmission on camera, went over the process, polished the drums various ways, explained and rebuilt a hogshead, and tried electrolosis as well. Take a look --> youtube.com/@whatthedevil You want the playlist named "Model T".

Thanks in advance for all the help I know I am going to get. I have searched for info but not found what I think I want or need.

To Start: I am new to the T world. I dove in head first and I am confident I will be successful.

I would enjoy a suggestion to read about the transmission/engine either online or book.

This is a 19 engine in a 25 roadster. The goal is to the current block with a 25 and put it back in the roadster with a correct 25 bed (Yes I have the bed).

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I got the hogs head off today and I am some what unsure of the next steps. This is what I am thinking:

1) remove oil pan to get complete access to the transmission.
2) Take apart the transmission.
3) Use electrolysis to remove rust. The engine/transmission was a major mouse nest over the years.
4) ***** This is where I need help. What should be replaced no matter what, what should be inspected and how.

Any help or input is considered valuable to me.

AgaIn, Thanks for your help.

Scott