P.&B. O.T. Stamp on frame of 26
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P.&B. O.T. Stamp on frame of 26
I have been cleaning the frame of my 26 Roadster and found this stamped on the inside of both frame rails near the front. Does anyone know what it stands for?
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Re: P.&B. O.T. Stamp on frame of 26
Possibility of the initials of a garage that performed engine work?
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Re: P.&B. O.T. Stamp on frame of 26
Here is what it looks like
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Re: P.&B. O.T. Stamp on frame of 26
Parish and Bingham. They made some of the frames.
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Re: P.&B. O.T. Stamp on frame of 26
Contrary to popular mythology, Ford never did make all the parts of all their cars. Henry Ford started another "Ford Manufacturing" company to compete with the Dodge Brothers during the pre-model T years. That in part to provide competition to keep the Dodge's from charging too much, and in part to leverage greater control over other Ford Company investors. That "Ford Manufacturing" was for a time still an outside supplier. Eventually Ford Manufacturing was quietly rolled into the Ford Motor Company after Henry Ford became the sole owner.
Ford Motor Company itself manufactured very few parts for their cars for the pre-Ts and first couple years of model Ts. Most parts continued to be manufactured by outside companies willing to meet Ford's demanding quality through the 1910s. Little by little, Ford began manufacturing more parts themselves "inhouse". By the 1920s, Ford was manufacturing a significant portion of most parts inhouse. Even some frames and front axles which required a huge investment in equipment were then being made inhouse. But Ford never made all the parts. Many small pieces were simply easier and cheaper to leave to local companies eager to have a steady customer like Ford.
Most major parts like frames and axles required very expensive equipment which the Ford factory might run 24/7 a good part of the time! If they were unable to keep up with the demand for new Ford cars, there were several local companies with the equipment and desire for a good customer like Ford very willing to step up and produce a few hundred or even thousands of parts to fill the need! Transue and Williams merged in 1912 to pool their resources and produced front axles for Ford. They continued producing front axles clear through the end of model T production! Well after Ford began forging their own front axles inhouse.
Parrish and Bingham was a local heavy steel bending company that produced frames for many marques for many years. There were mergers and acquisitions that took place as was common in the automotive field. They continued making frames for many companies including Ford.
I don't know how many frames they made for Ford during the model T years. And I don't know how many of their frames had their logo stamped onto them?. But their name comes up in model T research from time to time, and their logo on frames does show up occasionally.
So much history behind our favorite Fords!
Ford Motor Company itself manufactured very few parts for their cars for the pre-Ts and first couple years of model Ts. Most parts continued to be manufactured by outside companies willing to meet Ford's demanding quality through the 1910s. Little by little, Ford began manufacturing more parts themselves "inhouse". By the 1920s, Ford was manufacturing a significant portion of most parts inhouse. Even some frames and front axles which required a huge investment in equipment were then being made inhouse. But Ford never made all the parts. Many small pieces were simply easier and cheaper to leave to local companies eager to have a steady customer like Ford.
Most major parts like frames and axles required very expensive equipment which the Ford factory might run 24/7 a good part of the time! If they were unable to keep up with the demand for new Ford cars, there were several local companies with the equipment and desire for a good customer like Ford very willing to step up and produce a few hundred or even thousands of parts to fill the need! Transue and Williams merged in 1912 to pool their resources and produced front axles for Ford. They continued producing front axles clear through the end of model T production! Well after Ford began forging their own front axles inhouse.
Parrish and Bingham was a local heavy steel bending company that produced frames for many marques for many years. There were mergers and acquisitions that took place as was common in the automotive field. They continued making frames for many companies including Ford.
I don't know how many frames they made for Ford during the model T years. And I don't know how many of their frames had their logo stamped onto them?. But their name comes up in model T research from time to time, and their logo on frames does show up occasionally.
So much history behind our favorite Fords!
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Re: P.&B. O.T. Stamp on frame of 26
I found the same maker's stamp on my 1919 frame. Also found it on the hand lever pawl.